Bazmonkey

Passive press just kills us

11 minutes ago, Leeroy said:

He hasn’t and clearly nothing went for him last night, but when you’ve already conceded a daft penalty you really have to stick that one away or let someone else take it.

 

Usually his composure is great from set pieces, but his ice cool mentality seems to have gone coupled with his poor performances generally. 

 

I still think he’s borderline world class when he’s at the top of his game but he really is stinking out the team at the moment and whatever is causing it needs to be addressed quickly.

Borderline world class....there are a lot of overtop reactions on here both positive and negative. But he is no where near world class.

Luiz is a tidy player, technically very good and can find a pass. 

I like him but he nowhere as good as he is made out when have we ever said he dominated a game, pulled the strings, held the midfield, one...good performance yes, outstanding?????, I have watched him a lot this year, he is ball shy from goal kicks, doesnt like it when its tight in the middle and hides in the middle most of the time.

Other better players around him make him look better than he is, otherwise with most of them injured we would see him actually taking change, standout and actually showing how good he is supposed to be made out.

I think there is better to come from him and a lot more, there's talk of a transfer, he'd be the first over the midfield options, as he can be easily be replaced.

He has served us well, but heart over head doesnt win you games nor give you the right for high praise.

49 minutes ago, Xela said:

He needs Kamara alongside him to be at his best. 

36 minutes ago, Pinebro said:

Is he overrated on here? Yes

Is he still a very good player? Yes

I know people will say...its an over top reaction but I tend to agree these comments.

He is a good technical player but even when kamara is next to him I still.domt think he is that good. He does good things but I have never seen him dominate a midfield or gone..wow...he played well.today.

Something is up..hasn't been half as good since Jan and it was ok upto then...arsenal talk a distraction..who knows.

Now that teilemens is out I'm not looking at him going its ok he will pick up the slack.

If anything he will go into hiding like he does most games and just pop up now and then.

The potential to win games is there but at the moment with injuries and the leaking of goals...chuck in Europe too

My heart says yes...but I think we will struggle to win 3 more games.

Our hope is 5th is enough 

Problem we have is..we are not a pressing team so the opposition will have lots of the ball.

Then add in the fact that the last month we can't keep.hold of it....other teams will look better and we will look worse 

10 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said:

If things fall off a cliff and we get knocked out of Europe and end up in 5th.... This'll still be the best season we've had in decades.

Get a grip! 

Absolutely

But the way people will look at it is we have been in top four most the season and have had chances to go higher but always faltered.

If we have climbed into 5th more people will say what a great season BUT dropping to 5th may see it as a bit of a failure.

Mixed comments on here some ...each one has it merit...look where we were a few ago...yes.....but look where we are now....football is quick things change...we take the opportunity when it comes...its here now...4th is here...yes we have injuries but we need to rally....maybe play a bit old school...do the dirty bits and sneak a few one nils.

Teams in and around us will look to improve we need to be one of them...we will have a better chance in champs league and europe....with Unai being the attraction.

I get the doom on here as well as the lets enjoy it.....me im slightly more to the doom as this is great opportunity...one we might not see again...we have to be strong...and not throw away the past 12 months work.....we have to take it!!!!!

UTV

i think the atmosphere is timid most of the time because we dont have any songs.

All i hear is allez allez allex all the time....which after three or for times is boring.

we need a anthem of some sort....blues have KRO.

I get when we are playing bad the atmosphere can be a bit subdued but even when its good its the same boring song.

Need to get creative...few player songs.....in stead of he's one of own...theres only one..... 

2 hours ago, Davkaus said:

 

And the first.

Absolutely shocked you'd think he was great. He **** threw that game away for us. 

Gave the ball away yes.

But go back.and watch the lack.of options when he gets the ball.

Nothing from.the midfield...not his fault.

1st goal was just a great cross

Missing again...never wants the ball....never shows....hides behind players when he should create an angle.

Technically very good....but offers very little plays well when other play well.

Look at mccallister for Liverpool today....always moving....gives...goes....gets the ball back....wants the ball....moves the ball....Luiz does neither.

Teilemens was poor also...but luiz main issue today....didnt show for konsa when he needed him....konsa then makes the mistake...game over 

1 minute ago, Villaphan04 said:

McGinn & Konsa lost us the game. 

Mcginn for losing head...though we already two down

Konsa....how about the lack.of urgency from the luiz 1st and other players to give him an.option so that he doesn't make that mistake.

Midfield for another game were shocking...lack of.movement....wanting the ball and urgency when.we had it.

That's what lost us the game....mcginn meant we wouldn't get back into it...even if he was still on the pitch we wouldn't have 

Red or yellow

We have been second best all game...attack...moving the ball...execution.

Play well first half..id say more Spurs not using the ball as good as they should have.

2nd half Spurs have waltz round

That's the disappointing thing 

10 minutes ago, allani said:

Interesting take.  I thought Luiz was pretty good given that basically the central midfield is flooded with both teams determined not to lose that battle.

Opinions but never shows or want rhe ball.with back to goal...konsa was screaming for a drop off from him there even to create space...he doesn't...konsa forces pass...goal conceded 

Missing ramsay

Missing luiz....anyone seen him....never shows when need a pivot

Looking casual...maybe a bit scared to play....game Thursday now this and again next week...poss tired...but most have been sloppy and slow

Increasing revenue would help a great deal

I have said it before and some have said here...they spend before they get to the ground.

I would pay more if i get more....for example...if a bottle of pop was £2 id buy two one for me and one for my lad....instead of it being £3.50 and share....yes its only pinds and pence more to the club but you get 40000 each home game it will son add up...that goes for food....merchandise too. 

i cant get my head round this.

But are we going to be under investigation or not?

I've said this before I think he goes missing in a lot games when we are under pressure.

Not targeted but goes ball shy, doesn't want the ball and just hides in the middle.

Often the ball goes round the back to wing and the back again and he just doesn't offer that pass back into the middle. Especially on goal kicks.

I would post a picture but it won't let me to explain what I mean.

Technically very good but for me too often plays it safe.

Just now, The_Steve said:

Not a foul to begin with 

He pulled his shirt...foul all day mate

Midfield gone missing...missing ramsay inbetween the lines.

Luiz especially needs to wait the ball more in.our half rather than it going round it him

To increase revenue surely lowing the prices of confectionery on match days would help.

I go to VP a lot and only buy a bottle of pop if Im really desperate, Im assuming Im not the only one due to the extortionate price.

If a bottle pop is £3 and only 10,000 people buy it, would they be better off selling it at £2 and having 20,000 buy it.  Its not much in the bank but surely every penny in tills is better than nothing.

Plus if that's cheaper I would be more willing to but something else rather than choose one item over another....id but two...and thus more money in again????

why didnt he mark Maguire on corners

we move the ball to slow for our wingers to have any real impact.....how many times was cash caught one and one compared to Baily and Diarby.....not as near half.

We need to get both of them more one on one with the fullback so that we can get the best out of them and that means we need to move the ball faster wide and not allow the fullbacks time to set.

Both our wingers get the ball under pressure and often have to check back or pass back...lets get them going forward!!!!!!

13 hours ago, rodders0223 said:

That's enough to justify him not going on the plane for old cocknose.

I would like to think so because he has played well for over a year...but...southgate being southgate will pick his mates and the fact Toney has come back and hit the ground running already will probably mean he might miss out.

Good - he scored and got in a good position and probably should have scored another.

Bad - hides and rarely offers when its tight, especially when playing out the back, looks better than i think he is.

Overall - Better than last two performances 

this could go in a 'Back four' Topic

He is actually quite good.  The problem is not him or Carlos...yes we would have Konsa or Pau in as as our no1 pair at the back.

But when you have a back line that collapse and allow acres of space for the wingers to run at them.....the the personnel isn't the problem.

WE are too passive in defending and yes we had chances but how many times did rashford....Hojland...Garnacho (spell) wonder to the edge of the box and take a shot....too many if you ask me.  Cash is the worse and Moreno did this for their third goal

1 minute ago, meregreen said:

Pathetic the way we simply stopped pressing them.

We never really have...they have been in just as much as us and wasted shots on targets