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    The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

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    26 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

    They are completely unaccountable at this stage.  They can get away with absolutely anything.

    Anything they do wrong their supporters just blame on the pandemic.  These are same people that still blame Labour for causing a global economic crisis.

    They're a lost cause. You aren't going to sweet talk them round. So you have to consolidate your base and try to build from there.

    Not tear it all down in the hope of swapping it all out.

    The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

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    Interesting article by a guy who was an advisor to Miliband, Corbyn then Starmer https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/28/keir-starmer-leadership-labour-leader-left

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    Unfortunately, the shortfall between what was promised and what has happened since raises some very big questions for thousands on the left and soft left who voted for Starmer to be leader.

    It is very hard for me to say this because in politics people aren’t supposed to admit they got something wrong. But while the unifying pitch that Starmer put to the membership was open, conciliatory and correct – and explains the big vote he secured – it has not been delivered. It sadly proved to be the wrong thing, for me at least, to have supported that leadership campaign. From my own perspective it was a mistake and ultimately a political dead end. Starmer’s leadership constructed an alliance and then unravelled it. You cannot promise unity then deliberately pick fights and expect people to say that is OK. It’s not.

     

    The bit in bold is why I'm so angry. I feel utterly cheated.

    The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

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    4 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

    I can see why he wouldn't want to answer policy questions when people turn up and shove a camera in his face, but he could have said hello, explained he couldn't talk about that right now and moved on. If this did really occur as it is presented (and I'm skeptical of any footage presented on social media, especially when it kicks in when theyr'e already right next to each other with him walking away) , it is pretty shitty behaviour. 

    That's exactly it. It's really rude to just ignore someone if they're not being aggressive. She was perfectly polite and he blanked her. All he had to do was say "I'm really sorry I can't stop, I'm late for my next thing". Any acknowledgement at all would be better than being ignorant.

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    The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

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    8 hours ago, dAVe80 said:

    Dispatches from Labour Party Conference - Day 2

    Decent breakfast, but streaky bacon, not back bacon. 

    Met up with the other delegates and the team from HQ. Decent meeting, where we discussed what was going to happen over Conference, which rules changes we'd support or not, and made the decision that we'd vote against David Evans. 

    Watched the first half of the match on my phone, then wandered down to the Conference centre. Walked past all the cranks, and the various different factional groups trying to give you a leaflet. Bloke stops me, "Do you want a leaflet?". I go, "Urg Labour To Win? God no." 

    Get in the Conference easy enough. Had a little wander round the stalls. Got some free swag. Into the hall.

    Margaret Beckett is chairing, and gives a speech. I immediately switch off. 

    Someone from Sefton CLP gets up and make the point that it's a disgrace that people from the S*n are there (I won't call them journalists). Standing ovation. 

    Angela Raynor gets up, and for some reason she has entrance music. She Bangs The Drum - Stone Roses. Fair enough. Speech is good. Saying lots of good things about employment, and taking it to the Tories. Decent.

    Filler stuff happens, then David Evans gets up and gives his speech. Didn't go down particularly well I thought. Lots of laughing in not the right places. Says let's have a card vote. Feeling is they've already done the maths and he's gonna get in. To help him out the tellers are ignoring people and get collect the ballots so quick, people didn't even get chance to get their books out. Shambles. 

    People getting up to raise points of order. Beckett is ignoring them, or just generally being a word removed. Standard Beckett.

    Evans is announced that he won his ballet. 60/40 split. If I were him I'd be worried. He won't be though.

    Rules changes debate madness. Everyone just wants to get on with it, but they're taking their time. Bloke gets up and makes a speech about Keef. Tells everyone he's a Marxist member of the Labour Party, and shows his t-shirt which ways something about Keef being a Tory. I get the feeling he's probably now and ex Marxist member of the Labour Party. 

    Eventually they take the vote on rule changes, and we get to go. Drinks reception for the delegates at the hotel. Some free bottles of quaff. Happy days. Out for Italian food in swinging Brighton, then back to the hotel, and made last orders this time. 

    8am start tomorrow. FFS. 

    I was watching the live stream (1 of 220 people) and I couldn't get over how much of an arsehole Beckett was being. What a thoroughly dislikeable person. Someone trying to make a point of order so she says "I was about to mention the death of Sabina Nessa. Is your point of order more important than that?". Reprehensible.

    I was only watching to see Evans get voted against and the ensuing chaos but sounds like it was a bit gerrymandered. The president of the Baker's union made a point of order to say they couldn't get their cards to vote and Beckett, again, was an arse and said "perhaps you haven't been here before but those of us who aren't as new already know that we can get cards at any time before". I didn't realise she was that nasty.

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    Pre Match Thread

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    Team:

    Same as yesterday

    Depending on how the game is going I'd be tempted to take Ramsey off and get Watkins to drop a bit deeper, then have Traore as a false 9. Ramsey is doing OK but isn't much more than that at the moment, while Bertrand has some silky skills desperate to be unleashed.

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    The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

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    20 minutes ago, bickster said:

    Probably about the same time the left realises that their policies aren't what the general population wants and that all the infighting keeps the Tories in power

    Sorry that's simply not correct

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/12/labour-economic-policies-are-popular-so-why-arent-

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    Economic competence, Jeremy Corbyn and Brexit could all be bigger negatives for Labour than their policies are a positive
    As the election campaign ramps up parties are sketching out their manifestos. As YouGov has previously shown, Labour policies are often very popular among the public, and the results of a new study on recent policy announcements confirms this.

     

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    The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

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    When will they realise that it's their politics that's the problem, not the person.

    In the year 2021 with the 24/7 instant consumption of everything culture, people talking about being sensible and sorting out the public finances is just not going to cut it.

    Remove Starmer, elect David Miliband - same thing. Boring centrism where there's no vote left. 

    People wrongly (IMO) think that 2019 was a rejection of policies like free broadband and 2 billion trees. It wasn't. It was a continuation of the trend of the last 2 decades which hadn't been able to be bucked like it was in 2017 because that energy had been used once. I'm fairly sure Cummings knew exactly what he was doing making Johnson call the election for winter. Also the antisemitism crisis explored in depth by the BBC daily and the split of brexit leavers away with brexit remainers focusing all their discontent on the left for not being 100% remain chipped away.

    That's the problem with the Labour Party. It's a football. It gets kicked around. People like to talk and argue about it. So naturally it's going to be whatever negative people want to project onto it. Unless those who want to lead the party start making their own headlines, it'll continue to sink into greater irrelevance. 

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    The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

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    2 hours ago, blandy said:

    Is that referring to me Darren?  If it is, then no, not at all. My posts on people saying he’s reneged on his pledges have been to ask “which ones and how”, (as a genuine question), to also express my disappointment at the absence of party policies and to express my opinion that I thought and expected that once they actually get some policies, then they won’t tally with his pledges, fully. For example:

    I think he’s floundering in a thick soup of various savoury and unsavoury ingredients, some of his own making, some not. But that’s another question.

    Honestly mate, not specifically. I remembered more than 1 person saying the same kind of thing.

    Which ones and how. At least 1 now, objectively(?) broken:

    then : image.png.2a3a94e8af67020ec0f03fc01bba2c80.png

    now :image.png.a6a5801c3e60ed4e1b976bb8359c9494.png

     

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