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4 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Track records are only impressive until they are not.  We aren’t any normal business.

Well we will never know … Dragon Rogue are considered the go to agency …

22 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Or really shit!

Doubt it. There track record is impressive when given room. We gave them a box 

It’s all because some mad chairman wanted to change the club colours of Cardiff, clubs now have to engage and design by committee. I get certain things should be consulted with fans but I feel that in this instance it should have been done after the professionals had produced their designs without restrictions. 

We all have different opinions and are of different eras. Round badge is nostalgic to some whereas others it’s just that - a round badge with no sentimental attachments. Without fan engagement we could’ve ended up with something really special. Now we have a compromise and that will sadly always be the case. 

Watching the interview again, his comment about contracts could be more about the outsourcing of our merchandising to fanatics and catering etc. something Wyness did with Everton also to much criticism. Now it’s being brought back in house with an elite brand producing the kit we should hopefully see our commercial income rocket. 

Great players as they are, we’ve proven with Rogers you don’t need to pay top dollar for top players. Think I’d prefer Rowe who could be as good potentially for less than a 3rd of the price of Olise & Eze. 

49 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said:

We averaged 40k in I think 2008-2009 but attendances fell off a cliff when McLeish was appointed and didn't recover until Dean Smith was appointed.

I think we would fill 50k most weeks but if they keep ramping up prices the vicious cycle will kick in and will force some to quit going. That's why I don't  like the noises- cancelling a new stand, and announcing more corporate in an existing stadium that isn't big enough.

The fans which stop going will be replaced by those willing to pay, its simple supply and demand and that’s why we aren’t increasing capacity right now. The rarer the product the more that can be charged, its modern football economics. 

The has to raise prices in order to keep up with the established clubs who’ve had a massive head-start financially and who have also been more commercially savvy. I don’t necessarily agree with it but the waiting list shows that any season tickets not renewed due to costs will be brought by someone else. There is no loyalty towards fans anymore just increasing the bottom line. 

3 minutes ago, limpid said:

Your picture misses out the houses on Nelson Road just behind there. I think they'll object to staring at shipping containers out of their windows.

Doubt they could if we got permission to build a wider stand … 

Forest are adding 600plus premium seats with shipping containers … ugly but as a short term measure above the corner flag restaurant it could be something the club will look at as there’s wasted space above it currently. 

33 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said:

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/aston-villa-shirt-kit-sponsor-betano-adidas-stadium-premier-league-chris-heck-interview/

34 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said:

“We’re spending a lot of money and capital expenses to renovate and rebuild and add on to Villa Park, which was built originally in 1897 so we have some work to do,” he said

Key words ! As I said before the proposed new corner where the trinity met the north stand had more rows by removing the walkway. By reprofiling the trinity lower tier you can add rows so any lost GA seats can be replaced whilst adding additional GA+ seating. 

The premier league has exploded in terms of global reach and popularity since the Lerner era badge and to international fans and brands it is synonymous with AVFC. The new NSWE era badge is an evolution of that design - I’m sure someone in marketing and advertising can sum up better than I ever could why they’ve chosen to do this rather than a full new design.

I get why some don’t like it and prefer the nostalgic round badge but it has the lion the name and the year we were founded - it conveys what it’s supposed to and I hope upon launch we will hear more regarding the reasoning behind this design choice. I don’t think for a second it’s been done for egotistical reasons by Heck and if he truly believed the round badge which I’ve always thought was underwhelming was the right one to grow the brand moving forwards it would’ve stayed. 

2 hours ago, Captain_Townsend said:

No issue with commercial success  whatsoever. We need it! Badly!

However, I'm not sure we have to just tolerate being treated like idiots as part of the process. And that is what has happened since end of last season with total B.S reasons for decisions around the ditching the new  2022badge, changes to the plan for the stadium etc. Just be more upfront- we stood by the club when it was on its knees, we deserve better.

 

 

Yawn 

6 hours ago, Wes said:

Some transfer tid-bits in John Percy's Article regarding Emery's new Contract

"Emery is targeting two centre-midfielders [one holding midfielder and the other a box-to-box], wingers and a centre forward in the unlikely event of leading scorer Ollie Watkins leaving for a huge transfer fee."

Mandela Keita & Oscar Gloukh …

New sleeve sponsor next up …. 

1 hour ago, mikeyjavfc said:

These badges are honestly so similar the rebrand is pointless. They should have just worked “Aston Villa” and “1874” into the existing badge somewhere (and removed AVFC) and called it a day. 

They kinda did do that … 

Interesting no sleeve sponsor so that’s gunna be different and presume a lot bigger deal than the current one… 

It’s not Heck’s badge it’s NSWE … If they were suitably blown away by the round badge do you think they’d let it be changed a year afterwards ? Why is it the Lerner badge and not Paul Faulkner’s. Yes Heck would’ve been behind it but ultimately it is Nas & Wes’s badge as it will define their ownership in terms of badges. Or is it cause a lot don’t seem to like Heck they get away from being associated with it ? 

3 minutes ago, Made In Aston said:

The new badge, which hasn't gone through the required fan consultation you mean?! The FA hasn't approved it so I think the club shouldn't have issued the new badge until it is signed off as any backtracking will be embarrassing.

WHO says it’s not been approved by the FA ? Not seen that anywhere … I trust the club have done the required due diligence with the badge in terms of liaising with the FA. 

I wonder if we will be going forwards using a darker shade of claret for the shirts, etc.  The announcement of Betano appears to be a deeper shade than used currently and the badge does stand out well against it. 

6 hours ago, Jareth said:

So someone says to you, you have to sell your house, which you might be quite happy in, and that's ok?

We would need to prove it was in the communities beneficial interests in order to obtain the CPO required. Losing X amount of houses but gaining Y benefits thus adding value to the whole area.

If it’s for the wider greater good of the overall majority of residents, then harsh as it is yes it is ok and a few shouldn’t get in the way of regeneration. 

1 hour ago, limpid said:

How could you build behind the Trinity? Probably easier to get a CPO on the Witton Lane side than consent to build in the park.

Rudimentary sketch of the amount of parkland required … you’d need to cpo a bunch of houses to negate right to light issues also. 

2 hours ago, VillaJ100 said:

It's remote you'd get any portion of the historic park delisted also

You wouldn’t be encroaching into the park by more than 20sq metres … Relocate any trees which would be in the way, contribute to improvements to the park and I’m sure the council would oblige. 

1 hour ago, ferguson1 said:

Probably a no go but couldn’t we join up the bottom tier to the middle tier by filling in the walkway and adding additional rows/seats?  Basically making one large lower tier. Does the walkway have to remain for health and safety reasons? 

If you look at the plans for redevelopment of the north stand, the corner which was adjoin it didn’t have the walkway and had an additional 6 rows of seats in comparison to the rest of the lower tier. Certain sections would need to be retained for disabled fans but not the whole length. 

2 hours ago, limpid said:

It was built by a cheap arse. It won't have capacity to add more weight.

It would’nt need to carry any more weight as with the new main stand at Anfield the additional tier and new roof would be constructed behind then joined to the stand once the old roof was removed. No need to reduce capacity whilst the work was going on. 
 

I think it’s a more realistic solution long term than moving grounds to get Villa park to over 60k 

5 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said:

you would think we could find a way forward where we are.

Only way to do it is to purchase houses to enlarge  the site and remove the right to light obstacle … A 19/20k trinity Road Stand, with a new North Stand of 14k+ takes us to 57/58k before the Witton is looked at which you’d expect to take us to 62-64k seater stadium - 4 separate stand identities. It’s gunna mean moving people from their homes . 

6 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said:

Could the Trinity take another tier if the roof was raised? Even a small one? Always felt it has a small capacity for such a large structure- corporate aside. Holte has more seats like and it is an end stand.

Both the SAF stand at OT and the Main Stand at Anfield would tower over the current Trinity stand. An extension to it wouldn’t encroach massively on the parkland but houses would need to be demolished. You would make the current 2nd tier a bit smaller then add a 3rd tier above. It would easier to build and extend behind it than the Witton.