TrentVilla

2 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

We'll obviously be putting feelers out to other managers. I mean in modern climate that's common sense (especially when the stated ambition pre season was to do much better than 15th).

Seems Spurs acted when they had cast iron guarentee that Conte was prepared to come and so they sacked Nuno probably quicker than anticipated. We'll be same with whoever we've selected to eventually replace DS.

Now it's purely a question of timing and I fear with fixtures we have looming in December it's a big gamble to wait another few weeks.

This will have been happening for a while I believe. I think Smith is done the question is just if they can get who they want from another club during the season.

35 minutes ago, Bunnski said:

The players are still playing for him but are completely out of confidence, I'd like him to be given more time as I believe he can turn it around.

I think they like him, I’m not convinced they believe in him or what they are being asked to do though.

3 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said:

Trent, you’re here talking last summer about £40m not being big money for a premier league player. In particular a striker. Apologies, unable to quote the post properly.

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Since promotion it’s been £340m (approx) on about 22 players “permanent” transfers, some of whom are no longer at the club. That averages about £15m a player. The club record signing of Buendia still doesn’t reach that £40m quote. 

Can he and should he be getting better out of the players at his disposal, yes, no question. Is he ultimately going to answer for this dreadful run (and poor form for the the calendar year), yes I think he will. And he should.

But I can’t get on board with this putting him down with his spending when you yourself have previously stated that you don’t consider £40m for a single player to be really big money. 

Please don’t take that as a “gotcha” attempt. It’s really not meant in that spirit. I remember that post you made last year, as I found myself agreeing with it regarding the Tammy debate where you posted it.

Ultimately I don’t think we’re going to agree on this, but despite me acknowledging that, feel free to respond if you want to and then I’ll call it a night.

I don’t think £40m is big money now for a PL striker in today’s market. I’m not going to go back on that or deny I said it, I said it and stand by that. I maintain though when you’ve spent £340m you have to have a better side than we have, you certainly have to have a better balanced side.

2 minutes ago, Eastie said:

With the close realationship between purslow and Gerrard I think he will be the man heading down south to villa park - will certainly be putting a huge wad on stevie G although for me I think we should try for potter but think Gerrard is nailed on 

Not aware of that relationship, Purslow wasn’t exactly popular at Anfield. I don’t think Gerrard would tough the job, would be a huge gamble for him.

1 minute ago, Kuwabatake Sanjuro said:

Whatever about at the end of the season but I can't see Potter leave Brighton during the middle of the campaign, especially when they have started the season so well.

You are probably right, nonetheless if someone asks me who I’d want he is the name I’ll give.

1 minute ago, TomC said:

I wouldn't disagree with that. I just think that he has enough credit in the bank that they're going to give him the break and a few more matches to put things right.

 

Why after 10 months, declining form and 5 straight defeats would a few more matches suddenly solve things? 

Just now, Jareth said:

Yes but if it is not Potter, it is not who you wanted. So Who, if not Potter, would be a good choice. I'd love Klopp, but if it ain't him...

I don’t know. I only watch English football, Potter would therefore the only person I want. That isn’t to say there aren’t other options out there is it, it sure as hell isn’t saying he is the only person I’d accept. 

Everyone is entitled to their views, so how about we stick to expressing and debating them without labelling, putting people in categories or groups and posting on posters please. Whatever each of us think about the situation we are all extremely pissed off for the same reason.

2 minutes ago, Jareth said:

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Nobody said you wouldn't accept anyone else - but you also do not want anyone else - therefore anyone else = unhappy TrentVilla. So let's say Potter doesn't do the dirty on Brighton - who do we go for?  If you know what is the wrong answer (Smith) - what other than Potter is the right answer? 

Nobody said I wouldn’t accept anyone else? Are you for real, you just said it!!!!! You literally just posted that that was what I’d said.

As I said I’d pick Potter, no other manager I want. That isn’t the same as saying I won’t accept any other manager. Bloody ridiculous.

1 minute ago, Zero7 said:

I think the club will stick by him and back him in January 

He won’t make December.

1 minute ago, Mark Albrighton said:

I didn’t say only the people who defend Smith can see the context.

I believe there are some who choose to ignore it.

I don’t, I think they think we should be better than we are for the money spent, I think they are right.

Just now, Jareth said:

No you did say exactly that t'other day, the only manager you want is Potter - 100% Potter nobody else. I will go find it unless you've scrubbed it using your mod powers. 

Yes I’d pick Potter, not the same as saying he is the only manager I will accept though is it.

Just now, Davkaus said:

How many players has that £300m had to go on, out of interest?

About 16 ineffective wingers.

Just now, Mark Albrighton said:

I very much disagree here.

Then you are wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on Smith but there is an underlying theme in those who have defended him that they are somehow the only ones who see the context of what he is spent. Frankly it is nonsense.

5 minutes ago, Jareth said:

Says the man who wants Smith out but won't accept anybody other than Potter 

Ah we are at the “make things up” point of the discussion are we. I’ve never said anything remotely close to that re Potter.

3 minutes ago, lexicon said:

It's not the game to sack Smith on. Freak goal from Southampton and second half was a hell of a lot better.

You are kidding youself

Inevitable now and frankly indefensible, though I’m sure some will try.

He has spent £300m on that, £300m and having to throw AEG and hope for something. We’ve been crap for almost a year, enough is enough, thanks For everything but it is time to make the change before he takes us back down.

1 minute ago, M_Afro said:

The players aren’t trying. There’s no excuse for that. I’ve given Dean plenty of stick but the players have a lot to answer for. Why aren’t they trying for him? Garbage from them.

Because in my opinion they’ve lost faith in him and what they are being asked to do. I said a while back he had lost them and nothing will convince me otherwise.

It isn’t open revolt, they probably like the guy but do they believe in him as a manager? Not a chance.

He is done.

Just now, Zhan_Zhuang said:

He certainly did 

And Fonseca had a great win percentage in Ukrainian football, however is it any better than the Championship? Are we allowed to make comparisons anymore?! 

But you weren't making comparisons?

5 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said:

However, the facts and figures remain whether you and others like him or not...comparisons aside and all.

So Fonseca: by the same logic we cannot compare his Win Percentage either then if we use the same parameters of having managed in lesser leagues? Okaaaaay 

Yes, they do Bruce had a very good win percentage in the Championship.

But no I don't think win percentages can be compared between different leagues, domestically or otherwise as I'm fairly sure I already said. I'm not even sure they are a relevant stat to compare in the same league because they aren't in any context.

1 minute ago, Zhan_Zhuang said:

And, who started pointing fingers about making comparisons and what was allowed or not? Give you a hint, it was not me...

People including me pointed out it was a flawed comparison, because it is a flawed comparison. 

3 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said:

You brought up the comparison by stating vehemently we cannot compare the two, which I never did. You went off tangent: "different leagues" trotted out and so forth.

My initial post clearly stated Bruce has the highest Win percentage since Taylor's first stint, that is all.

It was YOU and a few others who started getting in a twist over comparisons. 

If you don't want to discuss Bruce let's just leave it there then because after all you have zero interest in it....

If you bring up someone’s win percentage and say its the highest since Taylor that is a comparison.
 

2 hours ago, Zhan_Zhuang said:

It is what it is...

I wasn't comparing anything yet people seem to want to have an argument about it. We already know the comparisons, we were there and we experienced it.

All I said was Bruce had a good win percentage and the best since Taylor (mk.1).

"Should not", really? Are you making rules now?

I know the comparison as do we all, facts are the facts and Bruce sits higher on the list than most former Villa managers. Does he not deserve any praise or respect? Are we to be hyper dismissive about it because it was the Championship? That run and win percentage got us to the Play-off final after all...

If we want to compare Smith, Bruce and Taylor all managed Villa in the Championship yet Smith has the poorest win percentage. That was the essence of my point.

There is nothing misleading about it, we all know it was in the Championship.

Premier League is superior to practically every other league in Europe are we to dismiss other win percentages because it isn't PL.

The Championship is a very competitive league and better than many European top flight leagues, I don't understand why many are so quick to dismiss it.

So you were comparing? Make your mind up.

I don’t think you can compare win percentages of manager is different leagues, domestic or otherwise because it is a flawed comparison. (Or not a comparison…..)

As for Bruce I’ve zero interest in getting into that and it is totally off topic.