snowychap

9 minutes ago, theboyangel said:

Rishi at the podium outside Number 10

Wtf was all that bollocks about?

Did he do it for a dare?

7 down.

10 hours ago, Wainy316 said:

Worst England team of all time and they still rule the Northern Hemisphere

You should have been around for the post-Beaumont years in the mid 80s.

19 hours ago, BOF said:

The ban, in the way it's being implemented, is discrimination, because it's allowing a behaviour - the purchase of a product - for one part of the population and not allowing it for another. Even when that age group become adults. That is inherently unfair and wrong. If you want to ban something then ban it. Don't be selective.

Absolutely spot on.

On 21/07/2023 at 12:05, blandy said:

So, I must be on cake, given the symptoms recently experienced.

Yawn.

15 hours ago, blandy said:

I made a category. You asked what examples I believed went in my Category. I gave you examples. You've decided somehow that my category was Starmer's 10 pledges. I never once said that.

I initally made a comment about Starmer's pledges, you responded to that saying 'he says things which are probably a mix of what he believed at the time and what he felt he needed to say to win enough votes to become leader, but which he wasn't that bothered about' (i.e. things he said).

In asking which ones of those were alloy wheels and posh stereos, you've then widened this to include at least two things which didn't really figure, if at all, in Starmer's policy directions but about which you've been very vocally derogatory and dismissive whilst claiming that what you've posted 'isn't about my views of Labour, or Starmer or Labour policy' but your perception of Labour party strategy thus distancing yourself from any accusation that you, too, may see the two child benefit cap as 'alloy wheels and a posh stereo', for example.

This comes across as disingenuous, at best.

You're attempting to eat your cake, digest it, poo it out and replate it claiming that it was someone else's cake all along.

On 19/07/2023 at 12:57, blandy said:

I thought you'd asked what other policies he would also drop/de-prioritise that were not on the list

Yeah, sure.

49 minutes ago, blandy said:

I didn't go check Starmer's 10 pledges  - I kind of didn't feel the need to, because I felt (perhaps wrongly) that you wanted stuff that wasn't on that list, because you wrote this:

Given that I wrote:

2 hours ago, snowychap said:

They're not going to get the truth from Starmer. They'll get the same level of truth that accompanied his pledges when he sought election as Labour leader.

 

And you wrote:

2 hours ago, blandy said:

So he's sat down in his chair and Corbyn has just resigned as leader. Starmer wants to be the next leader. So he says things which are probably a mix of what he believed at the time and what he felt he needed to say to win enough votes to become leader, but which he wasn't that bothered about.

 I think it's safe to assume that we were both talking about pledges and policies which Starmer himself put forward in order to get elected as Labour leader rather than stretching for a couple of policies from previous Labour election manifestos about which you have done little to hide your clear disdain and which may well have continued to be policy until he became leader and ditched them (if indeed he did - I don't know) since it would probably have been difficult for him to ditch them before he became leader and he didn't stand on them as pledges for his leadership bid.

54 minutes ago, blandy said:

Essentially I'm saying that there is or will be a list of things that Union leaders, Labour members, Voters, Labour MPs would love to bring in that Starmer will not promise to do.

Hypothetical promises to be made or not in the future and whether they are or aren't taken up are vastly different to actual promises and pledges made in the past which are dropped especially given that the original point made was a criticism of the level of truth that accompanied those pledges.

38 minutes ago, blandy said:

Sure. And again, this is not my personal choice, but what I think Starmer sees as this category - things he's said or it's reported Labour is keen on, but which he feels are lower down the list - so that is likely to be stuff like the already discussed 2 child benefit limit, plus stuff like nationalising Water and other utility type industries, or UBI, or free broadband for everyone.

UBI or 'free broadband for everyone' were not, as far as I'm aware, pledges that Starmer made in order to bcome/when he became Labour leader. They were, however, a couple of policy ideas about which you, personally, havebeen very critical.

Mashing those up with other things seriously undermines your claim to be merely talking about Labour strategy in some objective way or discussing 'examples of how [you] perceive the general public/voters will or might react'.

The 2 child benefit cap limit as an example of what you claim is classed by the general public (see above) as alloys or a posh stereo counts me out of this whoever may be making this classification.

On this specifc policy, my view is that a Labour party that supports (saying that they would not change it or scrap it is supporting it as it says that they would keep it and its consequences in place) a policy that fellow shadow cabinet members have called heinous, that has failed in its claimed objectives, that even the former Tory DWP minister Lord Fraud called vicious and has pushed thousands of households in to poverty (and will probably continue to do) so its leader and Shadow Chancellor can avoid the nonsense questions about 'funding' is a disgrace. Dropping that pledge makes me think Starmer is an  utter word removed.

5 minutes ago, blandy said:

alloy wheels and a posh stereo, and people will slag him off for that

Would you care to list out some of the policies that you believe come under this heading, please?

You've taken time to list some of the things that you think are the necessary to make the car roadworthy but not spelt out what you think are in the above category.

Just so I'm clear as to the types of things that are your alloy wheels and posh stereo, could you give me a couple of examples otherwise I'm left thinking that it's every policy that Starmer et al. have dropped/shifted on since his election as Labour leader.

13 minutes ago, blandy said:

This post isn't about my views of Labour, or Starmer or Labour policy, it's just about what I perceive they/he are doing strategically.

And yet at least the last two paragraphs are.

2 hours ago, blandy said:

when it comes to election time people (voters) will not like the truth

They're not going to get the truth from Starmer. They'll get the same level of truth that accompanied his pledges when he sought election as Labour leader.

17 hours ago, Dodgyknees said:

Absolutely correct. Even if this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, Labour are doing the right thing. 

For some, they may be.

I would say that Starmer's 'positioning' has lost him plenty of potential, existing and former Labour voters. It may work out, because the Tories are so awful, that Labour still win and get a reasonable majority but relying upon the continued incompetence of the other side and difficult economic circumstances for that is a piss poor strategy (one of those two changing can alter the tide). It also suggests a grim, empty, windblown political future should the current Labour party become the next government. I've little doubt that it would be better than the Tories but don't expect me to celebrate it if it's still utter shit but not just quite as shit as the present.

I think Tongue is a bit unfortunate to miss out with Robinson continuing. I suppose his (Tongue's) injury problems over the last couple of years may have something to do with it.

Glad to see a shorter tail - probably get skittled now!

7 hours ago, imavillan said:

put a lot of thought into that response 

The level required.

20 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

He used to take the field regularly for his school team, standing in admirably as a stump.

That would have been a tough target for the bowlers!

4 hours ago, LondonLax said:

The English being so salty about this is purely about them throwing away the Ashes. 

What utter bollocks.

13 hours ago, El Zen said:

There goes the rest of my interest in professional golf out the window. F***ing disgusting. 

Absolutely. It stinks.

"Like family, but with more cheese" is brilliant!

44 minutes ago, Genie said:

The dickhead who said it should have been reminded that...

It is very much open to others to remind him of that - MPs can remind him inside and outside the chamber and the whole of the country and world can remind him outside of the chamber by various means.

3 hours ago, foreveryoung said:

dare we mention the people who may be stretching the NHS paying nothing into the system, this may need to be looked at too?

I can't imagine there is anyone, even those with the best tax lawyers and advisors that their money can buy, who are actually 'paying nothing in to the system'. But if you find them then I suppose we can suggest that they go and make use of the healthcare services of any of the countries in which their companies are incorporated?

30 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

Bankruptcy disqualifies somebody from being an MP, so hopefully another by-election incoming. 

I don't think that's necessarily the case any more having had a quick look. It seems they need to have had a BRO against them which disqualifies them immediately - it used to be 6 months after any order if they couldn't get in annulled.

@Jonesy7211

Other than the danger of getting a criminal record, a hefty fine and (very unlikely given the state of prisons, prison space and, possibly, a large number of people also forced in to similar action) a custodial sentence, I'd be wary of the safety of it even though your close family member is a gas engineer as they're hardly going to put their name to it if it turns out to be shoddy work. If that results in injury to someone (within your household or beyond) then you'd be talking some serious criminal sanctions and serious guilt.

Lastly, if you do get found out, it's quite possible you'll get cut off and won't have access to any gas for heating at any price.

Dicking around with gas is folly.

On 15/11/2022 at 23:38, Chindie said:

Bill Hicks was a genius, the only bad things he did were the goat boy bits. Everything else, gold.

Absolutely. Truly wonderful to listen to and absorb even when/especially when the audience were not with him.