OldFart

It's probably been mentioned already but

Birmingham owner David Sullivan says their relegation is down to the "pile of rubbish" they bought last summer, picking out Franck Queudrue as the biggest let-down. (various)

Well I know who John Cage is. My problem is with Queen. Did she make records before she died/went mad? Do Their Royal Lownesses The Corgis sing on her record(s) as a backing group?

When my band made its debut at a school dance our first number was supposed to be High Heeled Sneakers but quite without warning became 4'33" in its arrangement for two guitars, bass guitar, incomplete drum kit (he never did get a floor tomtom, the git) and tenor soloist. People weren't half upset I can tell you.

I knew that face from somewhere but I couldn't think who it was. So I cheated and had a look at your post on the reactions thread. Of course, a big Lancastrian who played for Northern Ireland. Who's the one with your friend? The younger brother of a better-known Villa player?

Oh and Pelle, if you have any more photos worth posting FFS don't be shy. Post them somewhere. I love seeing photos like these.

So when I quote what someone else has said that means I am asserting it myself.

I see!

So much for

Simply put the term Villan is Ellesian

Ask any Villa fan over a certain age, just like Mike did with his dad and they'll tell you the original spelling was the correct English version of the word not some made up word

sorry if i sound rather silly here but the Villa Villain, is supposed to be a villain isn't he? otherwise it doesn't make sense

considering the main mod on H&V spells it Villains, and he's wrote books on Villas history, surely it goes without saying that Villain is the correct term?

In the 70s we tended to talk about Villa, and you didn't hear much about Villains or Villans outside of newspapers. The Sports Argus writers used to keep the Villa(i)ns thing alive in the same way that Albion were always referred to as the Throstles, even though Albion fans to a man called them the Baggies.

The only other time I used to hear Villains/Villans in those days was

1. in the voice of the TV commentator Hugh Johns. He used to come out with things like "The Villains of Villa Park".

(He also used to come out with a lot of pseudo-American crap about it being "a whole new ball game" and when the ball went out for a corner he would say "Whoa! Corner ball!" Don't know whether he copied Brian Moore or Brian Moore copied him or whether it was ITV policy for everyone to sound "nice and transatlantic".)

2. A song sung by the Holte End around that time. The Dubliners had had a hit with their version of an Irish folksong, Black Velvet Band and to the tune of the chorus of this the Holte used to sing "We are the Villa Villains..."

The Villain/Villan, spell it how you will, was pretty dormant around this period and the late 60s too. I often used to wonder where he had got to, because my earliest football memories are of the buildup to the 1957 FA Cup Final and the funny chap on the badge (in briny-ear's post) was in evidence around that time. Though again mainly I think in the Sports Argus and the long, long defunct Birmingham Mail "Blue 'Un".

Briny-ear mentions Villa'n as a spelling. I don't remember that but it seems very very likely to me. The Villa ones > The Villa 'uns > The Villa'ns. Makes sense. And it what would also make sense is The Villa'ns > The Villans.

FFS someone ask John Lerwill!

Such a long time since I last played football...

true

I sit and watch the children play

This is the evening of the day

York Bowen's complete Piano Preludes. Hmm! Stick that in yer...

Fraid so yes. Number 1. I do agree about the horn concertos. But the 2nd Clarinet Concerto is fairly wonderful.

Just don't compare with either or both of the Richard Strauss concertos, eh Zippy? Because they are exceptional. btw, do you know the Don Banks?

Forward where the knocks are hardest and all that, eh? Never stop to rub your shin.

A CD of concertos by Malcolm Arnold.

Sir called? Betis v Sevilla - can be very nasty off the pitch.

Well everyone always comments on the way teams break their losing streaks against us and players like Vassell and Rooney always manage to end their goalless runs against us. Perhaps on Sunday Zarate will come purposefully off the bench and fail to score.

Both clubs deducted 12 points for bringing the game into disrepute. As this won't happen I hope small heath win.

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One thing i am very confused about and i suppose shouldn't be is why isnt anyone questioning the fact that we have to play Reo at right back when we had time last summer and January to buy a right back?

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Basically I'm into British stuff. Rubbra, Bax, Arnold, Mathias and about a hundred others. Joubert is South African but has lived in Moseley since about 1950. RVW's great but Holst, wow, everything from the most obscure vocal piece to The Planets.

Bruckner, Holst and Prokofiev?

I'm not listening to a song right now.

I'm listening to John Joubert's 1st Symphony, which isn't a song either.

Egon Wellesz - Symphony No 2, Op 65

Parry - Symphony No 4 in E minor

Yes Grant. I was a bit surprised. I get you now. In team sports there never seems to have been and still isn't much in the way of freedom of movement.