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  1. I'm bored with fantasy football leagues and would like to try out another type of point-scoring prediction game for the World Cup. This one will also incorporate trading.

     

    If you like the game and want to play please state your intention below. I'm thinking of setting a limit of 20 players because any more than that will be too much work for me to keep track of everyone's progress.
     
     
    Game rules
     
    The game is played over 64 rounds - that is, every game of the World Cup. 
     
    The objective is to score as many points as possible in each round and the player with the most points after 64 rounds is the winner.
     
    Points are scored for correct predictions, which are made by the playing of "cards" (virtual cards).
     
    A minimum of five cards must be laid each round (each match). If a player does not have 5 cards left, they must lay the maximum they can.
     
    This is the important twist - when the prediction goes wrong you lose the card! 
     
    No new cards are generated during the game. While there are a lot of cards in the game the number of cards in circulation will decrease dramatically as the game progresses because there will be so many wrong predictions.
     
    So think carefully before you play Rooney against Italy - if he doesn't score or assist you will lose him, so perhaps he will do better against the Costa Rican defence?
     
     
    Every player starts with the following cards:
     
    32 team cards
    736 player cards (includes 4 sub-classes: GK, DF, MD, FW)
    52 referee cards
    1 wild card
     
     
    Note: the actual usable number of player cards will be much less than 736 because many squad players won't get a game. However, you still may use any card applicable to the match with a penalty (see below).
     
     
    Team card (worth 20 points each win) -  This card represents the team and a prediction that the team wins the game. Both can be played for the same match. However, if the game is drawn (or goes to penalties) both cards are lost. 
     
     
    Player card (worth 10 points each win)
     
    GK Clean sheet or shots on target - goals is 5 or more, or goal or assist
    DF Clean sheet or total shots conceded 10 or less, or goal or assist
    MD goal or assist or team dominates possession
    FW goal or assist, or 3 or more shots on target
     
    Note: these statistics will be available from the Fifa website which will be the authoritative source of all statistics.
     
    Non-player penalty points: players can play any player card they like from the squads of the two teams, even in the knowledge the player is unlikely to play in the match. However, if the player does not play any part in the match the card is lost and the player receives a -7 points deduction.
     
    Duplicate cards: Two or more of the same card may be played. This may become an option if a player has acquired two of the same cards through trading.
     
     
    Referee card (worth 25 points each win) - Red card, 5 or more yellow cards, or penalty awarded
     
     
    Wild card (worth 10 points each win no matter what class it represents) - Can be any of the above cards of your choice and reused until it is lost.
     
     
    Trading cards
     
    Cards are lost when predictions go wrong.  No new cards can be generated in the game. However it may be possible to get replacement cards for yourself by trading cards with other players.
     
    Note that players are only permitted to trade during a transfer window and only up to a maximum of 5 cards in each window.
     
    All trading must be conducted in front of other players in this thread. Discussions can take place between the windows but no trades are permitted until a window opens.
     
    There are four trading windows. 
     
    Window 1: 9th-11th June (before the first game on 12 June)
    Window 2: 16th - 17th June (end first round group matches)
    Window 3: 22nd-23rd June (end second round group matches)
    Window 4: 26th-27th June (end third round group matches, before knock-out phase)
     
     
    Why trade?
     
    Example1: It's before the start of the competition and you think it might be a good tactic to stack up on Ronaldos so you trade your Neymar, Suarez and Rooney cards with other players willing to give up their Ronaldo
     
    Example 2: It's end of round 1 and you've already lost a lot of potentially high scoring cards: Van Persie, Benzema, Messi and you are willing to trade in a few other good cards to get one back
     
    Example 3: It's end of round 3 and you think someone might swap Fred (Brazil) for Suarez (Uruguay).  Even though Suarez is better your rationale is Uruguay will go out early while Brazil will go all the way.
     
     
    How do I play my cards for each round?
     
    The only way to play your cards in this game is to fill out a Google form I post to the thread.
     
    If you don't do this and just post your "cards" to this thread it will be impossible for me to find everyone's predictions - at least, it will take up too much time which I don't have.
     
    There will be a deduction of -50 points for every skipped match, that is if you don't use the online form.
     
    However the forms will be posted well in advance and group matches together so you can do many of them at the same time. There will be seven forms in total.
     
    Form 1: Group stage round 1
    Form 2: Group stage round 2
    Form 3: Group stage round 3
    Form 4: Round of 16
    Form 5: Quarter-finals
    Form 6: Semi-finals
    Form 7: 3rd Place Play-off and Final
     
     
     
     
    So, who wants to play this game?
     
     
     
     
     
     
    NB: These rules may be subject to slight editing before the game officially starts (9th June) in response to any feedback I get.
  2. Quite. It's like Arsenal fans who keep going on about net spend on transfer fees while completely ignoring their clubs £140m wage bill. 

     

    Yeah. Their business model is to pinch the top talent when they are young when they cost next to nothing - examples Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain from Southampton, Fabregas from Barcelona, and recently Crowley from Villa - then spend enough on wages to persuade them to stay.

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    If they do get Shaw the first thing they'll do is convert him into a CB.

    maybe they should bid it all on Sir Tackle Goals instead ;)

    Jay Rodriguez is good enough for Man Utd.

    Maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit to suggest the first thing Man Utd will do with Shaw is convert him into a CB.

    If they get him it may not literally be the first thing but I would not be surprised if he is played a few times a CB next season.

    He would be England's Sergio Ramos.

    Why would they do that when he would be there no 1 lb? He is better going forward than defensively and if anything could play on the wing. He doesn't have the stature for cb.

     

     

    6'1" is far tall enough to play in the middle and he is well built and athletic.

     

    He also has the ball skills for a modern CB and could develop like Stones at Everton. 

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    If they do get Shaw the first thing they'll do is convert him into a CB.

     

    maybe they should bid it all on Sir Tackle Goals instead ;)

     

     

    Jay Rodriguez is good enough for Man Utd.

     

     

    Maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit to suggest the first thing Man Utd will do with Shaw is convert him into a CB.

     

    If they get him it may not literally be the first thing but I would not be surprised if he is played a few times a CB next season.

     

    He would be England's Sergio Ramos.

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    nearly as bad as criticism Aaron Lennon got for having a cigar when England lost to germany

     

     

    The difference being someone snapped Aaron and the photo was leaked to a newspaper iirc.

    He didn't post it up laughing , showing full well he doesn't give a shite about results or performances. Here is to another relagation battle next year Andi with that attitude.

     

     

    I'm not sure whether I should react to someone who has just 77 posts to his/her name... however, surely the result that counts this season is safety from relegation? For this team, that is success. If you expect anything else you are being unrealistic and you are directing your emotion in the wrong direction.  

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  6. These guys are paid peanuts relative to other Premier League players yet they still  managed to secure our place in the Premier League next season.

     

    Okay, not very entertaining season but it is job done - and they can give themselves a deserved pat on the back. Criticisms should be directed at the owner for not investing in better players or at the structure of the PL for making money = success.

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  7. Carrick's had a terrible season, his worst at Man. United comfortably. It's not like he was getting a regular game for England when he was playing well for their title winning teams. Bit bemused why people are putting him in their squads.

     

    Lampard and Cole would be shock omissions on account of their status and records for England. Wouldn't shock me if either still made the squad tbh.

     

    I find it crazy that people still mention Andy Carroll. Perhaps he can go instead of Welbeck but Lambert is a must for his penalty taking skillz.

  8. The old guard need to be dropped with the young guys coming into the immediate first team.

     

    The legacy of Gerrard, Cole et al in an England shirt is one of mediocrity, time to move on and build for the future. 

     

    ...but, it was a golden generation.

     

    Or was that just Paul Scholes (played out of position)?

  9. In case anyone wants to informally continue Con's prediction contest:

    Cardiff 0-2 Chelsea

    Fulham 0-1 Palace

    Hull 0-1 Everton

    Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle

    Man City 3-0 West Ham

    Norwich 0-1 Arsenal

    Southampton 0-1 Man Utd

    Sunderland 1-1 Swansea

    Spurs 1-0 Villa

    WBA 1-1 Stoke

     

    Thanks for your enthusiasm.

     

    I was going to do a world cup prediction contest and these contests were trial runs. I am interested in a prediction contest for the Premier League next year though.

     

    I'd also like to invent a new fantasy league as I think the existing format has gone a bit stale and has deviated from reality. I don't like the fact everyone can buy the same player and make so many changes. I would like there to be a limited number of Suarez. And you you can only sell if someone wants to buy the player off you - like real trading.

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    His infamous slip was a good example of why Gerrard is not a defensive midfielder, and that isn't his fault, it's just not his game. A player like Biscuits would not have let the ball roll across his body if there was striker on his shoulder. He's (most of the time) good in Liverpool's system because he's usually not asked to break up play. England will need a player to break up play, because they will be defending a lot more than Liverpool.

     

    Oh come on, he slipped, it happens, it has nothing to do with the fact that defensive midfield is not his position.

     

     

     

    Gerrard at 6'0" is slightly tall for a defensive midfielder. Your classic DM is between a 5'7" Claude Makelele and 5'10" Gennaro Gattuso. They need to be nippy and having made one tackle must be able to get up off the floor quickly to make another.

     

    Gerrard's high centre of gravity made slipping in high pressure situations like that against Chelsea more likely. His manager should have known ;)

  11. The winners of the World Cup must have some excellent players? Who'd have thought it.

     

    That's useful information if you want to make a prediction, isn't it?

     

    2014 - England

    GK -  Hart

    CB -  Jagielka

    CM -  Barkley

    FW - Rooney

  12. Looking back, Zidane didn't play in the first 2 games through injury, Pires missed the tournament through injury and Henry got sent off 25 minutes into the 2nd game. Still no excuse for not scoring a goal, but that sort of explains a few problems.

     

    No Zidane. That explains it. In the third game he probably wasn't fully fit.

     

     

    Teams that reach the finals of World Cup have world class players, and in most finals the winner has one world class player in at least 3 key positions of defensive CB, creative CM, scoring FW, and  GK.

     

    It's more difficult to evaluate the relative abilities of players at the older World Cups because the domestic leagues were highly segregated. In bold is my evaluation of World Class-ness for the last 10 world cups.

     

     

    2010 - Spain

    GK - Casillas

    CB - Puyol 

    CM - Xavi / Iniesta / Silva

    FW - Villa

     

    2006 - Italy

    GK - Buffon

    CB - Cannavaro

    CM - Pirlo

    FW - Totti

     

     

    2002 - Brazil

    GK  - Marcos

    CB - Lucio

    CM - Ronaldinho

    FW - Ronaldo

     

     

    1998 - France

    GK - Barthez

    CB - Blanc / Desailly

    CM - Zidane

    FW - Djorkaeff

     

     

    1994 - Brazil

    GK - Taffarel

    CB - Aldair 

    CM - Zinho

    FW - Romario

     

     

    1990 - West Germany

    GK - Illgner

    CB - Kohler

    CM - Matthaus

    FW - Klinsmann

     

     

    1986 - Argentina

    GK - Pumpido

    CB - Ruggeri

    CM - Maradona

    FW - Valdano

     

     

    1982 - Italy

    GK - Zoff

    CB - Scirea / Gentile

    CM - Tardelli

    FW - Rossi

     

    1978 - Argentina

    GK - Fillol

    CB - Passarella

    CM - Kempes

    FW - Luque

     

     

    1974 - West Germany 

    GK -  Maier

    CB -  Beckenbauer

    CM - Hoeness

    FW - Muller

  13. Henry played as a striker in Arsenals double winning 01/02 season and in that world cup. They flopped in 2002 because of arrogance and complacency after winning the previous 2 tournaments. Leboeuf even said that

     

     

    They flopped in 2010 because of internal rifts within the camp, and inept management from Domenech.

     

    I got my dates mixed up. When I posted that I somehow misread the table on wikipedia thought he was still at Juventus.

     

    Arrogance and complacency in 2002... unsatisfactory explanation. Great teams are often arrogant, but also hard-working. What made them complacent? Maybe like 2010 there was some conflict within the camp.

  14. France are a weird World Cup team. In the past 4 they either made the final or didn't make it out of the groups.

     

    2010 can be explained because they didn't have Zidane. Zidane and Henry were present 1998, 2002, 2006, and only Henry was present 2010. 

     

    why flunk in 2002? they had Zidane and Henry and didn't score a goal. maybe it was because Henry wasn't played as a striker until he signed for Arsenal? teams figured out how to nullify the threat. that and they didn't have Laurent Blanc at CB. That wouldn't affect the goalscoring but it would have unsettled the team and made them easier to beat.

  15. France 2010 - player strike.

     

     

    France's chaotic World Cup campaign is in disarray after the players boycotted training in support of Nicolas Anelka, who was sent home yesterday for a row with coach Raymond Domenech. 

     

    France were last in their group of Uruguay, Mexico, South Africa.

  16. One thing to look out for is team spirit. There is always one or two teams that have arguments within the camp.

     

    At recent world cups it has been Ireland, Netherlands and France, and there is usually an African team that has a wage dispute with its football association.

     

    These teams usually go out in the group stage.

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    Anyone else get the impression Paul doesn't like this kid? He says that "he still has an absolute mile to go" but with other players like Benteke he says that "he could be anything he wants to be" . I just get the feeling that Lambert is only playing these kids (him and Robinson) because he feels he's pressurised into playing them.

     

    He played Robinson already earlier on this season in the League Cup, probably would have got more game time too if we had managed to stay in it longer.

     

    Jack is a few years younger than Benteke yet and went straight into the Premier League with a fair bit more experience than Jack currently has. People seem to pick up on these comments far too often, it really is just simple man management. Do we want Jack mixing with the wrong bunch, getting an inflated ego and so on? Of course not, he genuinely does have miles to go and he needs to know that, but it isn't necessarily negative for him to be told this and I'm actually pretty positive that Jack knows it himself. 

     

     

    He could improve his long-range shooting.

     

    Also saying he's got "miles to go" might be an attempt to put any potential buyers off the scent and hold down his wage demands. You don't pay the unfinished article the same as the more experienced players in the team, even though they have got a lot of potential.

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    Anyone else get the impression Paul doesn't like this kid? He says that "he still has an absolute mile to go" but with other players like Benteke he says that "he could be anything he wants to be" . I just get the feeling that Lambert is only playing these kids (him and Robinson) because he feels he's pressurised into playing them.

     

    He played Robinson already earlier on this season in the League Cup, probably would have got more game time too if we had managed to stay in it longer.

     

    Jack is a few years younger than Benteke yet and went straight into the Premier League with a fair bit more experience than Jack currently has. People seem to pick up on these comments far too often, it really is just simple man management. Do we want Jack mixing with the wrong bunch, getting an inflated ego and so on? Of course not, he genuinely does have miles to go and he needs to know that, but it isn't necessarily negative for him to be told this and I'm actually pretty positive that Jack knows it himself.

    I think the lad is ready. He came on versus Man C touched the ball about 3 times and I think he won 2 free kicks? He's better than what we currently he have.

     

     

    Robinson won those 2 free kicks.

     

    Jack was the one with the 100% passing accuracy (out of 5 passes).

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