MikeMcKenna

According to a seemingly well informed article published at 20.30 on the Guardian website, Villa have a shortlist of 5 headed by KM. Apparrently RL & PF were interviewing a candidate yesterday so it is very feasible that RL's trip abroad is to do an interview.

The article is quite detailed so they definitely have an inside track - check out and tell me what you think?

In what way was it detailed?.....Just the interview?

Everything else that was said we already knew.

Sorry didn't realize you knew that there is a five man shortlist - you should have told us!

According to a seemingly well informed article published at 20.30 on the Guardian website, Villa have a shortlist of 5 headed by KM. Apparrently RL & PF were interviewing a candidate yesterday so it is very feasible that RL's trip abroad is to do an interview.

The article is quite detailed so they definitely have an inside track - check out and tell me what you think?

Bicks Agreed but I think you are being very generous with the £40 average. In reality as more kids would attend it's probably more likely below £30 or the grand sum of £150k per match.

It's a pity the board can't communicate more frequently and officially with the fans instead of our having to get stuff 2nd hand from people who would appear to be ITK

From my perspective the club is becoming increasingly elitist with those in the Chairmans executive area having access to an inside track and the rest being the fodder who are fed titbits to keep them happy by the General who is also not adverse to having the occasionally self righteous pop when ticket sales are poor.

Whilst i am sure the process described by GaztonVilla is accurate it's a pity that is only imparted on the QT to the favoured few.

I suppose it cheaper than employing communications professionals

Rant over! But I am yet to be convinced that the powers that be know how to run a football club and keep the fans onside.

Strange isn't it?

The players and many fans are completely at odds.

Clearly the players want KM, they talk about their respect for him, his coaching ability, footballing sense etc etc whereas, the (majority of (?)) fans live in dread of his appointment.

They obviously see him from a very different angle. I don't for one minute believe it's because they want an easy ride - if we believe Collins, Young etc are competitive players who want to progress, why would they advocate KM if he is as bad as the fans claim?

Whatever the managerial situation, it really is quite staggering that we couldn't bring in anyone but Ireland! You really get the impression that things are in a mess behind the scenes The statement on Sunday about any new manager justified its lateness by claiming they didn't want to unsettle the players - did they not think that a wall of silence was just as unsettling.

KM will inevitably get the blame rather than RL & PF despite KM putting in a list of possible players.

I wouldn't now be surprised if the board appoint KM and he becomes a convenient scapegoat if it all goes pear shaped. Whatever happens over this season, imho this interlude must raise the question whether we also need more football expertise on the board.

If it's KMac then questions need to be asked.

It reeks.

lets assume, that we cannot get Moyes, Hughes or Jol.

IF not KM who would you take? It's strikes me that some people would be happy with anyone but KM.

Name names as your alternative, so we can have a sniff at them

Think about it.

IF the club statement was unambiguous i.e. PL experience is a must.

WHY would KM then come out and say he now wants the job?

Nothing makes sense

Moyes now 11/10 - the rumour is not going away

Martin O'neill didn't want Ireland, the board said yes to that. No funds and players being signed he didn't want = Bye bye Martin.

What evidence do you have of this mate?

How do you know that MON didn't want Ireland?

Good mates with Martins nephew. He doesn't know much else. I told people this on the day, but was dismissed. Now people continue to miss the obvious in front of them and have justified the signing of ireland without a moments honest thought.

Thinking about it, this would make sense. MON may have accepted Milner's departure but wanted a cash deal so that he could bring players in of his choice - OT I know but interesting all the same

No reason at all for kevin to go public unless he felt he had a really good chance of getting the job.

Dear oh dear. When he is appointed, it will become clearer how much the board has shafted us as fans. No manager to disguise no transfer funds. Martin O'neill didn't want Ireland, the board said yes to that. No funds and players being signed he didn't want = Bye bye Martin.

Hello Kevin, cheap option, yes man.

It will all start to dawn on people when it becomes a reality, the truth that is. So much propaganda coming out of the club it's embarrassing people fall for it.

I'm afraid, that should Kevin MacDonald be appointed, this will be a similar view to mine, I think. A view, a few days ago, I didn't think I'd be having.

I am not saying that you personally took this position but I find it ironic that when a relatively small number of us were questioning the boards ability to manage the club and their knowledge of "football" we were told criticised - it will be interesting to hear those same critics views if KM is appointed.

General

I disagree with all his detractors. I would prefer KM to any of the usual suspects such as Sven, Curbishley and Allardyce unless you pull off a master stroke and can land Jol or Moyes.

Install a caretaker manager who has taken 3 weeks to decide whether he wants the job or not. Yea really inspiring stuff, with the greatest respect thanks but no thanks.

Yes because everything is that simple. Forget the whole think before you act, it's irrelevant. :notsure:

You don't just take the managerial job because it's Aston Villa ffs.

Of course you do!!

Aston Villa FC are 'supposed' to be one of the biggest clubs in the world. Despite the obviois financial restraints, it still amazes me that many more managers haven't thrown their hat in the ring to manage such a big club.

For me, much as I like KM, he just doesnt come accross as passionate enough. To dither around deciding if it is the 'right move' for him after being at the club for the last 16 years shocks me. He has sat in the shadows so to speak watching, and probably disagreeing with previous managers tactics, transfers and training and MUST have thought, 'I could do better, I would LOVE to have a go at that job'..

Shame he doesnt show it in his interviews..

Has it ever crossed your or any of Kevin's other detractors minds that the reason he is supposedly dithering is that the last three weeks must have been crazy on the football side? Villa not only lost a manger but the 1st team coaching staff. The side that went out against Newcastle was MON's with the exception of Ireland and I still maintain that had Carew scored that penalty we could have got a result. The collapse was inexplicable and but I really think had we got a draw or a much less embarrassing defeat that far more fans would be backing MacDonald rather than be willing to accept the likes of Sven, Curbishley etc I think people have to be careful what they wish for. If its not going to Jol or someone of similar stature I would give KM a year withe the support of DoF.

Mods can we have a poll please?

What would you prefer?

KM

KM with an experienced DoF

An experience PL manager such as Southgate, Curbishley, Allardyce etc

Sven

A high profile continental manager such as Jol?

OK, I know very few will agree with me but I would give it to Kev Mac and bring in a Director of Football.

If we could get someone like Jol I would be happier, but I definitely would not give it to Sven, Curbishley, Southgate, Allardyce and all those other losers and has-beens

As I said on Sunday, I was told by someone who would definitely know, that the job was Kevin's if he wanted it. So the statement yesterday threw the cat among the pigeons setting PL experience as a base criteria. I still think he may get it. If he does, he will need the backing of the fans not all the vitriol that I have heard spouted recently. He was on a hiding to nothing when he took over as caretaker and was let down badly by the players against Rapid and Newcastle. Their do or die performance on Sunday was for him.

Well lets hope not.

He got is completely wrong against Rapid, he got it completely wrong against Newcastle, and he got his original team selection for Everton wrong - had Ireland started they would have been even more dominent through our middle. We needed a change during the Everton game, something the stregthen us up. He stood there and did nothing.

'Do or die' or 'lucky that Everton had Jermain Beckford up front'? Appoint KM and not only will we be looking for a new manager again come May, but we'll have a struggling season and it'll show all the bollocks about the club still having ambitions , that they want to appoint a top manaager, one with experience of management, was complete and utter bollocks servered only to try to keep fans happy until the end of the transfer window.

Appoint KM, anr Randy will have let down the fans and the club.

Who would you consider to be a "top manager" then? I dont want someone who has "experience" but is useless. I repeat if we could get someone of Jol's stature I would be happy - but what if it was Sven, Southgate, Curbishley or Allardyce - NO THANK YOU!!

OK, I know very few will agree with me but I would give it to Kev Mac and bring in a Director of Football.

If we could get someone like Jol I would be happier, but I definitely would not give it to Sven, Curbishley, Southgate, Allardyce and all those other losers and has-beens

As I said on Sunday, I was told by someone who would definitely know, that the job was Kevin's if he wanted it. So the statement yesterday threw the cat among the pigeons setting PL experience as a base criteria. I still think he may get it. If he does, he will need the backing of the fans not all the vitriol that I have heard spouted recently. He was on a hiding to nothing when he took over as caretaker and was let down badly by the players against Rapid and Newcastle. Their do or die performance on Sunday was for him.

General Krulak here:

.........Did it ever occur to you that I, speaing as a Fan and former Marine who values loyalty, may not want a Manager who would up and desert his Club for additional money? I may well think that such a Manager might not be "right" for our Club. Again, I am NOT saying that is a criteria, I am just saying AS A FAN, NOT A BOARD MEMBER, I am not sure that getting someone who has bailed from their Club is something I would feel comfortable about. It is for this reason that discussing the Manager and the criteria is NOT something I am going to do. There is NO value in such a debate...for the Fans or for me. Randy has said he will announce the name...and I will just wait for that to happen.

General

If your rationale concerning not signing "someone who has bailed from their club" was applied to players the mercenary business that is Premiership Football would grind to a halt. I agree with your sentiments but feel in a "dog eat dog" world we have to sign the best manager possible and that results in one of our competitors losing out - all the better!

I don't mean Hiddink as such, just saying that with a man renowned as a football Mr Fixit in Harris then it seems we're looking at someone that we, as a supporters, think we've no chance of getting. Did anyone think that we'd get MON at the time? And wasn't Harris instrumental in getting Randy? And I'd say MON too?

So I think that we will be very nicely surprised by who we get in. And the 2 weeks break is perfect for a number of reasons. IF it is a man currently working for a federation then it allows him to contractually abide by the next 2 internationals and if it is a man currently at a club (and I believe it's one of these 2 options otherwise why involve Harris?) then he has a break to allow us to deal with the other club properly AND allow them a period to search for a replacement.

Keith Harris runs Seymour Pierce, the investment bank. He was in the Villa deal and others in the past including a previoustakeover of Man City. He wasn't reaponsible for getting MON involved and although he knows people I don't think he would be used to identify a new manager.

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Tells me that KM has told them he doesn't want it either before or after game and that this prompted the statement.

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One of my third son's mates said .......... "I have a lot of mates who go to Villa and a lot more who support without neccessarily attending, not one of then has ever said anything negative about Randy Lerner."

Everyone in my house this afternoon was in full agreement that Randy buying Villa is the best thing that has ever happened to our club!

I have often wondered just how representative fan sites are of the total Villa support, after speaking to my son's numerous friends this afternoon I suspect the answer is that we really do not adequately reflect the middle ground, and perhaps only represent polarised extremes.

UTV!!!!

General

I understand the above post but I cannot agree. I am sure that anyone who experienced it would agree that the best things that ever happened to Aston Villa in relatively recent times was our winning the league and European Cup. Hopefully Mr.Lerner has the ambition to bring back those times.

Southgate needs to learn his trade in the lower leagues tbh. We need someone experienced in the game who can hit the ground running.

Martin Jol or Mark Hughes.

IMO there is no way will get either IF Randy Lerner was not prepared to give MON all the Milner money there is no way he will buy out contracts that could costs reputedly £10 mill

Hate to say it but we are not going to get a "name" imo

Proud past uncertain future!

Hate to say it but i was told Southgate is in the frame -God forbid!

I don't even want to consider that

People need to start realising its going to be someone they dont like.

God i would hate Southgate, but he might be crackin we dont know!

Jez

We know enough about Southgate to know he will never be "crackin" and the fans would go ballistic! It would be distastrous imo

Hate to say it but i was told Southgate is in the frame -God forbid!

Embarrassing but it is not the end of the world. Had Carew scored I think it would have been a totally different game. When Newcastle scored minutes later they lost all their anxiety, gained self belief etc we went the other way and fell apart

Sadly I don't think Kev Mac will get the job now and I am more worried about us getting someone like Southgate who I have heard today is definitely in the frame - God forbid.

let's not maim warnock - it was a mistake, but everyone makes them.

unfortunate, but not over yet.

keep believing people. keep believing.

WARNOCKS A C***

What sort of bullshit was that from experienced player????????

Get a grip FFS Mistakes happen! Who needs enemies

It not over till the fat lady sings! GET IN!!! UTV!!!

Spurs lose!