peterms

simple answer, dont get as job in a place where tha asthma/ allergies can become an issue

Quite a lot of places, then, if smoking in public rooms should still be allowed. It's not the people who are ill who should have to go wait outside or go somewhere else - it's the people who have chosen to slowly kill themselves off.

i'm alergic to getting eaten by crocodiles, therfore i am not a crocodile keeper at the zoo, i have not gone out to get all crocodiles banned though, cos i think that if they stay away from me and i stay away from them then my allergy will not be a problem

No, you are not allergic to getting eaten by crocodiles, and no offense but OH MY GOD that is a poor analogy :roll:

isnt getting eaten by a crocodile bad for you then?

You haven't really got this analogy thing, have you?

Under the new law landlords could be given incentives to go smoke-free, then make the choice. If what the majority on here are saying is true then most landlords would do that, because the majority of people want smoke-free pubs.

A few pubs inevitably wouldn't go smoke-free, leaving the smokers free to puff away and only poison each other.

Everyone is happy, we still have an adult choice, bob's yer uncle.

If people are going to argue that landlords would not go smoke-free given the choice, then there must be very good reasons for that.

I think in principle the idea of separate smoking premises sounds reasonable. Personally, I'd rather have the smokers shut away in premises of their own, than have them standing in a smoky huddle around the doorway or monopolising the outside seats.

If we were starting from a level playing field, it might work.

But we're not. We're starting from a position where pubs see smoking as the status quo, where they have financial incentives to sell fags, where landlords are fearful that if they introduce a no-smoking rule by choice, they will lose some customers who they know and speak to, with the uncertain prospect of other, as yet unknown people replacing them.

In that situation, I can see why most of them will opt for what they see as the safe option of allowing smoking.

After a couple of years of being smoke-free, I'd be happy to see an option introduced of becoming a smoking premises. That would probably involve having to install effective ventilation, taking steps to protect the staff (yes, even the ones who say they don't mind, same as requiring safety equipment in any other of the settings where we have had to require it), and probably some licensing or planning regulation to preserve some kind of balance. That might involve setting a maximum ratio of smoking to non-smoking premises, and probably also some kind of taxation to remove any financial incentive to become a smoking area.

Something like that might have the effect of creating more choice, without just lapsing into the default position we've had up till now. It might even help reinforce the idea that smoking really is seriously intrusive and unpleasant to a lot of people, and that smokers should be made to practice their habit in a way which recognises this and pays more than lip service to it.

TBH ive never heard of any special health risks with snus except jaw structure collapsing

Oh well, if THAT'S all....

:shock:

No real effects on other people, then. Except they might find your speech a little indistinct.

I read west ham were favourite to get ashley young at one point to.

He may well end up at spurs and i know confidence in signing players isn't your strong point jez but we should probably wait untill something official appears.

TBH we still have no idea if MON wants him.

Exactly.

The story really hinges on Spurs being willing to pay a certain figure, but with no information about whether Villa are or aren't willing to do so.

It's just journos with empty column inches to fill. Again.

As a none smoker, the thing that pisses me off about other none smokers (I used to use ciggies), is that they moan about people inside and say go outside, when the sun comes out and the smokers are outside, the none smokers whinge about them being outside.

Well of course.

The point is not whether smokers are inside or outside, but whether they impose their smoke on other people. Similarly, I have no problem with people shooting up, but would complain if they leave their needles where I might injure myself on them.

If they were smoking inside a pub, and doing so in a hermetically sealed bag or a wet suit or something, I really wouldn't care. That's their choice, that's their freedom.

If I step outside into a cloud of noxious gas given off by smokers huddled round the door, or can't sit in a beer garden without having their smoke drifting all over me, I don't like it and wish they would go somewhere very far away.

That's just common sense, isn't it?

To use the farting analogy that several people have quoted, I think it's commonly acknowledged that farting in a lift is a pretty antisocial thing to do. Smoking in enclosed premises where other people are present is very similar in respect of the effect and the inability of other people to avoid it without physically removing themselves from the premises.

Actually, let's cut out the crap about freedom and all the other fine principles. Smokers who oppose the ban really don't give a flying **** about anyone else and in particular other people's freedoms, and that's really all it's about. Since they have (generally) shown themselves unwilling to accommodate other people's needs on a voluntary basis, they clearly need to be compelled to do so.

For those who are looking forward to a smoke free atmoshpere, I hope none of you go to pubs as they will soon stink of BO, stale beer and less pleasant side effects of alcohol, belching and flatulence.

Some clubs in Scotland have been looking at how to tackle this with fragrances being pumped out of fans.....

Reminds me of the "Hitchhiker's Guide" bit about the disco where the smell of rancid sweat was sprayed from nozzles...

We've had the ban up here for a year, and it's brilliant.

All the nonsense about pubs having to close because of loss of custom has been shown to be untrue.

The only problem is the gaggle of smokers outside the doors of pubs, offices, etc. Next step is to drive them further down the road so we don't have to walk through them to get in. After that, the next goal will be to make them congregate in a field well away from built-up areas. But only when wind conditions permit.

Alittle paranoid Richard, perhaps?

Dont think so no. How about you?

That's not what your file says. I'm just reading it now...

I heard Clubs are queing for Moore, ready to make a break for him.

Did you get that tip from a plant? Do you have clearance to repeat it?

Love the urban landscape shot, exactly the sort of thing i like taking. Almost abstract.

I really like that as well.

Also looks good if you blank out the plants at the bottom - makes it a bit more mysterious.

So is Martin making plans for Nigel ? :winkold:

Maybe, but only...If young Nigel says he's happy.

Nigel just needs a helping hand...

You obviously missed my point, Pierre. DESPITE reckless violence and beligerence, a player can and should find a team that can manage his idiosyncrisies. Now go crawl into a corner and surrender.

Non! You have missed my point...

He is a poet...

...but I reject the quotidien explanation of the ground staff. It was poetry, nothing less.

How could Man U keep a player like Eric Cantona, who lost his **** mind and karate kicked a fan at Selhurst Park?...

These are footballers, not poets.

Merde alors! You must be crazee!

Monsieur Cantona, 'e ees a poet of the highest standing!

And you, you must be one of the seagulls who follow the trawler...

I spit in your general direction...

Can someone close this thread? It's full of no news, loads of bullshit, but I can't stop checking it. The amount of time I'm wasting is ridiculous. Please help me.

Does it help that I tell you that you´re not alone?

You know, that's just what my doctor said.

Can someone close this thread? It's full of no news, loads of bullshit, but I can't stop checking it. The amount of time I'm wasting is ridiculous. Please help me.

...and some more...

Few more from today:

It's a Canon EF 70-200 f4 L USM. review here.

Tripod mount is extra, as in eye-wideningly, hyperventilatingly, disproportionately extra.

Can't believe how small the depth of field is on this...like two threads of a screw...

Thanks. It's a Canon EOS 20D, with a 70-200mm zoom. Needs a tripod as well, with the weight and the tiny depth of field.

I seem to fare best with macro stuff as the Raynox DCR-250 I use does a stirling job for a £15 lens!!

Eventually found one of these, from a place in Dortmund. Have just started messing around with it.

I think this thread is going to surpass the 1000 page mark!! Especially if theres another hotel sighting!!!

Yes.

But for those of us who can't easily find time to read the 54 pages which have been written on this thread in the last 4 days, is there any way of getting a summary?

I can't cope with this. It was on page 297 just three days ago.

Yeah for the sake of a million i think we missed out on Keane.

Less than that.

But those days are gone.

Have we ever had an Argentine or Brazilian at Villa?

Well, there was Oscar Arce.

"In the late 1960s Aston Villa had a trio of midfielders who really should have been given the chance to play together, but never did.

Their names - Jimmy Brown, Oscar Arce and Barrie Hole. Work it out for yourselves."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funny_old_game/1704104.stm

I think there is always room for a 'stop-gap' - just look at Man.Utd's use of Henrik Larrson for those 3 months.

I wouldn't discount stop-gaps entirely, but hopefully we won't have to rely on them anymore.

Exactly. Man U's use of Larsson, together with Chelsea's use of, er, no-one while their key players were injured, was a key factor this year.

And if you look at what Sheringham contributed after the age of 34, well it doesn't look at all bad, does it?

Zola...

I have no problem with signing older players to do a job. Relying on them alone would be a problem, but then I think injuries aren't confined to our zimmer-frame-wielding comrades.