VillaAndLoyal

Hopefully there will be enough tickets so someone with cup/europe matches this year + season ticket this year, me, can go.

Quick question: If I had the choice to sit in the Blues section(in silence) or the Villa section, which would be safer?

I can't believe a Villa fan has just asked that question to be fair :?

Yes that's the one mate. Surprised I've not seen anything in the media about this, although that is probably a good thing.

As we're not massive fanny's who are unable to make a 4 mile journey under our own steam and who like to give it the big one from the safety of a coach.

Too **** right mate. I'll be walking right through Digbeth as always....

Kevin rocket polisher Phillips: "Fozy (Foster) just did enough to put Clark off there..."

YEAH, BECAUSE HE PUNCHED HIM IN THE HEAD YOU THICK clearing in the woods!

I heard one of the UB40 lads on Talksport this morning saying it would be great to have Villa and Blues fans mingle and share a drink before games like Liverpool and Everton - I nearly crashed my car with the thought and fits of laughter in the back. It will never happen as the hatred is frightening and always will be.

Bloody hell - what planet is that guy living on? :shock:

first time i've seen really seen much happen at VP, the rivalry seems really heated right now.

It always has been mate. The hatred is Blues.

I'm not sure you rebuffed them but it's nice to have something to cling to I suppose.

I'm also in awe how not being supported by the majority is somehow a bad thing. I don't give a **** if no-one agrees with me. I'd rather Aston Villa were a paragon of fair play rather than slumming it with activities worthy of the knuckle draggers we played today. If I'm alone in thinking that, so be it, I couldn't care less. And thats before you get to thinking about not being terribly happy with a player not being able to control himself in such a way that could see him off the pitch.

Still, we're not going to agree and thats fine.

No we are not going to agree, and yes, it seems you are alone in thinking that. Maybe that tells you something?

Seems you are on your own in wanting Reo-Coker stripped of the captaincy for a little kick out during a Second City derby.....

Nice to see your crazy suggestions are easily rebuffed Pinch of salt and all that.

Does anyone know what happened to the middle-aged Villa fan who appeared to have a fit by the burger van outside the Ruskin Hall before the game?

I can honestly say it was the worst thing i've ever witnessed first-hand. The poor guy froze up, was helped to the ground by what I'm guessing was a friend or family member, before having a fit on the car park floor. Luckily a guy turned him on his side before blood started coming out of his mouth, but he literally turned blue and looked in a really bad way.

It definitely put a perspective on the pre-match build-up I tell you that. It was the worst thing I've ever seen, felt physically sick afterwards. If anyone knows whether the guy is okay then please let me know - there were about 10-20 other people that saw it happen at a guess.

Fingers crossed for the guy.

NRC's kick out should be worthy of a fine and stripping of the armband imo too. I don't want to see Aston Villa resort to that, especially from what the armband wearer. That belongs to the scum of the league, not us.

You are surely on a wind-up, right? Look we all know you have a personal vendetta against Nigel Reo-Coker - and that you must be feeling more than a little embarrassed at the moment because the player you've been campaigning against for so long has now been made our captain

Are you not big enough to hold your hands up and admit when you are so clearly wrong? Check out the MOTM poll and then try and tell me Reo-Coker was 6/10 in today's game. A good proportion of people thought he was the best player on the pitch - and rightly so - as he showed Petrov what being a captain is all about and fought for Aston Villa from the off. He was absolutely everywhere in that game - his work rate and commitment is quite frankly commendable. And he did an absolutely brilliant job of breaking up play, which is his primary job.

If the other 10 players were that committed then we might just have won. You might like to vastly exaggerate what happened today because of your vendetta against him - which is getting somewhat tedious now to say the least - but football is still a contact sport and this was a Second City derby. What Reo-Coker supposedly did is seen in at least one Premiership game every weekend - that's a lot of fines being dished out eh Chindie? Even McLeish said that it "could" have been a sending off in some referee's eyes - which doesn't seem like a reaction that suggests he should be fined and stripped of the captaincy now, does it?

Maybe you are just playing on the situation to suit your arguement, if you can call it that...

MOTM - Reo-Coker. Fantastic battling display from our captain, he was absolutely everywhere today and broke up play brilliantly. And he also kicked Gardener, too

Other than that, nothing much else to say. It was a shit game between two shit sides and I'm just glad we didn't lose to the knuckledraggers.

I am really annoyed at this draw. Would have preferred a game against Ipswich or West Ham, and we get a derby game. not only a derby game a bloody away game. **** brilliant.

Yes, it IS **** brilliant!!! Best draw in YEARS

Bluenose scum, get out of Brum!

YES YES YES YES YES!!!!! **** GET IN THERE!!!

Christmas has come early, and in the week after my birthday! YESSS!!!!!

I want blues home or away. Or an easy home tie.

Carrying on from my page 1 post - I really **** hate blues.

Really, really, really, really, really **** hate them!

Just thinking about their pathetic little club makes me angry...

I don't care if the winner comes off Beye's backside, please just let there be a Villa winner, please...

I **** hate blues. SO much these words cannot even begin to describe. Even the blues side of my family are all tossers - it most definitely runs in the blood.

Anything bar a win will be devastating against those tramps.

COME ON YOU VILLA BOYS!

Freezing cold, cold wind in face, poor atmosphere, terribly long drive - taking ages to get out of Sunderland round a stupid one way system and lots of "no car" lanes!!! Rubbish game too. That's just my humble opinion - although second half was better. WHY won't anyone have a bloody shot at goal (Albrighton excepted) Lovely cheeseburger at the ground though! Worried about next Sunday. :cry:

This.

I can't believe this board sometimes. And people wonder where the term politically correct was coined from...

Jesus wept :shock: :?

Dunne - Absolutely terrible touch on OG. Reactions that he's horrible and has been for weeks are rantings and imaginations - IMO

Absolute drivel. Richard Dunne has been getting worse and worse since the Carling Cup Final now (which makes it months, not weeks) - there are no "imaginations" there, thanks.

Reason we lost was no luck at all in the game, not because we were poor.

so no reason to cry or to worry about it.

You make your own luck.

Today's game proved it's going to be a very tough season for us this year - those thinking we can compete for 6th are in dreamland. Mid table is the best we can hope for.

Shit game, shit performance (first half), shit result and a **** shit atmosphere from the Villa fans.

Sunderland are an extremely poor side with very little quality and with a good, clinical performance we could and should have registered another elusive away win with ease. To not even draw the game is just totally wasteful and a big opportunity missed.

I'll say it again - why the HELL is Richard Dunne still starting? He is a blubbering wreck and a complete liability in the heart of our defence. And I would have said that regardless of his own goal - he was bloody awful. As i've said before, his performances have been gradually deteriorating since his mistake in the Carling Cup final last season and it was painful watching him today, and no I'm not exaggerating. Is this the real Richard Dunne we are seeing now? Was he playing above himself when he first came to the club? I tend to think he was. Get Carlos Cuellar in NOW!

Stephen Warnock is on borrowed time - his days in the starting 11 are seriously numbered. GH sold him when he was at Liverpool - meaning he clearly doesn't rate the kid - and quite frankly I hope that's still the case because Warnock is NOT good enough for Aston Villa Football Club. He's like bambi on ice, always diving in and missing tackles, always out of position, always letting players get a cross in and always getting done for pace. He is absolutely WOEFUL. The left side of our defence today was truly shocking.

Petrov has too many poor performances than good one's - plus he IS NOT a leader. The fact he is captain is a joke - he is another player who needs replacing if we intend to keep up with the likes of Spurs/Everton. Ireland still needs to be given time but from what we've seen so far he looks like a very poor mans-Milner. He just looks completely lightweight and for all the talk of him being "one of the fittest players in the PL" I don't see much evidence of that. He actually doesn't look like he gives two shits about playing for us.

Dreading next Sunday and have been for a number of weeks.

Oh and Sunderland is an absolute shithole. I'm sure my brother really appreciated being spat on by a dirty little skank after the game purely because he dared to wear his Villa shirt under his jacket. Lowest of the low.

And did anyone else see that blatent bit of cheating in the first-half when Beye put the ball out for a throw-in by the Holte End and Chelsea went and took a corner? :x Cockney scum, get out of Brum....

I sit in the lower Doug Ellis and, whilst Beye attempted to kick it out for a throw in, son, it actually was a corner, although I can understand you thinking that from where you sit, sorry, stand!

Really?

The entire Holte, plus our entire bench + team thought it was a throw.

Exactly. It was a clear throw-in. It wasn't even close to being a corner, yet they took one.

ANother thing, has Carlos Cuellar been disrespecting the entire French nation in training or something? First of all he gets overlooked for Dunne again, then with Luke Young out he doesn't step in at right back either and we play Beye who quite frankly makes Cuellar seem like Zambrotta, then when Dunne goes off injured Clark comes on. How do you go from being Man of the Match against Wolves to not getting in the team given those circumstances, very odd if you as me.

This, this and this.

Surely something has happened off the park that we don't know about? He practically kept us in the game against Wolves, then gets dropped for a half-fit crock at Spurs and then yesterday is ranked behind Habib Beye and a young, unproven centre-back in Clark? Something is not right here. And it's worrying because Cuellar has really started to come good the last season - he's a class centre-back - but I'd bet money that he won't settle for playing such a bit-part role having played so well previously for very long. Surely you pick the team on form?

Apart from that, no complaints from the game. Reo-Coker is a monster of a player, brilliant.

And did anyone else see that blatent bit of cheating in the first-half when Beye put the ball out for a throw-in by the Holte End and Chelsea went and took a corner? :x Cockney scum, get out of Brum....

Positives:

- Nigel Reo-Coker. MOTM. He is proving me right with each passing game whilst also quashing the myth that he can't pass. He's always been a good player but we've never really given him a sustained run in the team in his favoured position. Now, hopefully, we are and he is proving his doubters wrong. He's also head and shoulders above our captain (Invisible) Petrov.

- Emile Heskey. His involvement in our goal was absolutely sublime. I still can't believe it's Heskey i'm talking about - three games in a row now he's been brilliant. Him coming off was the turning point.

- Albrighton. He continues to show his promise with another very encouraging display and a great goal. I just hope he can get his stamina up because that is clearly his weakness at the moment.

- We actually didn't play too badly - probably better than last week and we won that game. We got nothing from the ref though and missed good chances to score. And you can't do that against Spurs.

- Houllier is already stamping his style on the team, and it's a style I like. Finally, after years of HOOF ball, we are now learning to pass the football which is great to see.

Negatives:

- WHY on earth did Richard Dunne start ahead of Carlos Cuellar? The same Carlos Cuellar who was MOTM last week at Wolves. This really worries me because if Cuellar can't keep Dunne out of the team after that performance, what hope does he have? I think this was a really bad error from GH and hugely unfair on Carlos. If I was him i'd be seriously **** off.

- Richard Dunne. He has lost the plot. Since his mistake in the Carling Cup final his performances have steadily deteriorated and I really don't have much confidence in him at all now. He looks overweight, sluggish, nervous, lacking in composure and he is making mistakes which are costing us goals. I'm really worried, even more so when he gets picked over CC.

- John Carew. I've always loved Carew and he became a "cult-hero" on the Holte End for his percieved love of our club and some very good/crucial goals for us. I will never forget all the good he's done for us and the goals he's scored BUT my opinion on him and his future role at our football club is now starting to shift. For whatever reason, and I'd love to know why, he just doesn't look like he puts in the effort anymore. Sluggish, not mobile, slow and anonymous are words all too frequently heard in the same sentence when talking about Carew now. Maybe his ongoing injury/back problems are just finally catching up with him? We need to address our attacking options and sign at least one top class striker.

- The "Meatball wrappe" I had at half-time. I have never tasted anything so vile in all my life - and the wrap itself was like biting into cardboard. What a waste of £3.60.

- The jobsworth stewards.

Went to the club, and found it very warm and friendly. Recommend it for future fixtures.

And a word of thanks to the guys from Halesowen whom helped us out with a lift back. Cheers guys

Yeah you got that right about it being warm - it was absolutely boiling because everyone was sitting down for a meal. It was like a school canteen.

Hardly any Villa either, easily one of the worst pre-match venues i've been to.