paulfromsutton

A possibility of signing players is exciting. A possibility of signing players in positions we desperately need is doubly exciting

Nah he has always said that

This season and last.

I mentioned the previous managers due to the three reasons of costs.

Everything I said was true

Tayls we do have money it is just people have this notion that we don't it is very clear what our budget is for each year 15-20 on fees

How much did we spend in the summer? Genuine question, I have no idea...

6-7m

On the lowton link I wouldn't mind if he left for a few million but it does just leave us with a midfielder as backup

For a wide forward his goal/assist record isn't impressive

As Gil and Sinclair play on opposite sides of the field they may both happen

Scott Sinclair is a big coup imo for that kind of transfer numbers. The wages I have no clue what we are looking at but could be a decent deal. If we can get 10-12m for Vlaar and Delph and then reinvest that in some offensive players like Sinclair, Lennon or Dembele.

We certainly need creativity. I'm not aware of that many great creative talents in England. There really are few compared to other leagues as the teams rely a lot more on speed and physical strength. The few sides that use them extensively are sides like Arsenal who play a more possession based style as opposed to the direct one used by most Premier League teams, where a creative passing, and dribbling skils are more important.

We are at a distinct disadvantage as a british team bringing in playmakers. We would need to rely on the Italian or Spanish leagues, and are unable to pull from the cheaper Brazilian and Argentine leagues due to Visa Requirements.

Not to say that the players are not out there. Someone like Beñat would be a excellent addition to our side.

I'd be happy with Sinclair and dembele

Chel$ki and Man Shitty were no bigger then we are now when they strated buying big name players which increased their fan bases massively. It honestly can happen to any club if there is money there.

For Chelsea and Man City supporters prior to UAE and Russian takeovers, it was pure luck.

The bigger fan bases you are talking about are just bandwagon supporters that will die out like they have with Leeds.

Respectfully your wrong

They were of similar sizes to what we were under MON.

They also had either location or infrastructure going for them depending on which club you want to talk about.

In a world of FFP where you can't spend anything you like now you also can't have someone come in throw 500m at it and do the same thing as several clubs have found out in the first round of sanctions.

I agree with that to a large extent but as of now we don't need to spread what funds we do have around that will be a choice of the manager so we could just bring in one or two a season and pay more

Been thinking earlier about why we never seem go after big named up and coming players now and usually boils down to wages!! Right if someone like Shakiri is available he will be on around 70/80k a week!! which after a transfer fee is nothing for a player of his ability and say we give him a 4 year contract!! i doubt after a year he will throw a hissy fit asking for more wages (when he is on a decent wedge)

Now take this young, cheap crap that we been doing!! The likes of Lowton and others seemed to have got rises every year from their initial 10k a week, Benteke was signed on 4 year deal at around £20k a week (reported wages) but when he had that first season he threatened to put transfer request in and we ended upping his wages to £60k just one year on into 4 year deal, even though there was chance it may not have worked when signed!!

It is a gamble that these players will either work or not (in Benteke's case) so why does the Villa board haggle over paying players (already known across Europe already; Lukaku, Tadic, Sissoko and the other players we have meant be linked with last few years) for the sake of around £40k a week plus and don't wanna go past £25k a week? when a lot of them will bring in a lot more in shirt sales because of their established name already or being a known up and coming player..

It's a dangerous move and shows how penny pinching Lerner and his cronies are that they are relying on these cheaper wages players to come good when fact is only one or two do, and would get better value for money getting better plays on better money and if don't work out more chance of getting most of our money back!!

We can't afford it we break even with what we do now.

Best option in future is to buy players under 25 with potential and hope they sell for more to build aka the Spurs model over the years.

Keep delph & vlaar til end of season

Sign Sinclair in jan

Wait to get cleverly on a free

Sell benteke 45m + gabby, weiman & nzogbia should be about 50m to spend

In summer go for Townsend, dembele, Ings & Austin

Guzan

Hutton okore clark cissokho

Sanchez westwood

Townsend dembele Sinclair

Austin

Drugs are just bad.....mmmmkay.

I was thinking the same thing

Explain why this is a drug induced comment?

Which players do you think the mighty villa will attract playing shit football and paying relatively low wages? Or did u forget that vlaar delph & benteke are on their way out. Next season expect to lose okore aswell. Even cleverly who most of the supporters don't want doesn't actually want to sign for villa

1. Selling Benteke for 45m isn't going to happen also finding buyers willing to pick up gabby and weimann in the same window isn't going to happen this isn't football manager.

2. Those players combined don't earn over 200k a week so the wage bill would be going up a fair chunk - there are other costs than transfer fees such as wages and sign on bonus'.

As Sinclair and dembele is a combined 10m in fees that suggests you think it is a good idea to spend 40m on someone out of contract in 6 months, a player who has played in the premier league for 5 months after playing all his career I. The lower league and he ain't 20 and a Spurs bench warmer.

Just no and that isn't even debating if they are the right players to sign or not.

Seeing as your so clued up please tell us what's goin to happen? Who is going to be sold & who are we bringing in as you think the players I suggested ain't good enough?

Not being rude just curious

I replied to your comment with common sense not who was going to be signed

Keep delph & vlaar til end of season

Sign Sinclair in jan

Wait to get cleverly on a free

Sell benteke 45m + gabby, weiman & nzogbia should be about 50m to spend

In summer go for Townsend, dembele, Ings & Austin

Guzan

Hutton okore clark cissokho

Sanchez westwood

Townsend dembele Sinclair

Austin

Drugs are just bad.....mmmmkay.

I was thinking the same thing

Explain why this is a drug induced comment?

Which players do you think the mighty villa will attract playing shit football and paying relatively low wages? Or did u forget that vlaar delph & benteke are on their way out. Next season expect to lose okore aswell. Even cleverly who most of the supporters don't want doesn't actually want to sign for villa

1. Selling Benteke for 45m isn't going to happen also finding buyers willing to pick up gabby and weimann in the same window isn't going to happen this isn't football manager.

2. Those players combined don't earn over 200k a week so the wage bill would be going up a fair chunk - there are other costs than transfer fees such as wages and sign on bonus'.

As Sinclair and dembele is a combined 10m in fees that suggests you think it is a good idea to spend 40m on someone out of contract in 6 months, a player who has played in the premier league for 5 months after playing all his career I. The lower league and he ain't 20 and a Spurs bench warmer.

Just no and that isn't even debating if they are the right players to sign or not.

Guzan better than Courtois? Benteke better than Costa?

I wouldn't say they are miles apart they just play in vastly different teams

Real Madrid handle transfers in the best way. When they buy someone they purchase 50% of the players rights. So they make so much money back from that player from other contracts that he has. Makes sense really. That money can then go against the outlay for the player they just purchased for each year of his contract.

I really don't get all this discussion. If Lerner wanted to fund a transfer spending spree - he could - The fact that he doesn't is the problem - not FFP, Amortisation, capitalisation, how much profit we make - Lerner doesn't want to fund it.

Agree totally. It was like when fans were saying he had no money, when he still had billions sitting around and he just sold the Browns for another cheeky Billion.

He only doesn't want to fund it because he doesn't get enough back. He's making a loss constantly. One of the reasons Mr Fox was brought in, in order to change that, I assume.

We don't make losses anymore with our spending it's roughly break even maybe even a couple of million in the black but it wasn't previously so to comply with FFP if we finished in a Europa spot we would still need to have less losses over the past 3 years to not be fined.

That is the explanation.

The fee is amortized over the contract and the wages are written down as wages usually are (weekly/monthly) when paid, no?

Yea that's right I must have had a brain fart. So 8m over 4 years loss of 2m a year correct?

What happens then though that's the bit that confuses me

Yeah wages are just general outgoings, the transfer fee is the weird one

Well I was thinking (accountants it isn't every day someone thinks your interesting so jump on this) if their transfer fee is counted as a loss of 2 million a year for 4 years for a player brought for 8 million on a 4 year deal then I see a few scenarios which I can't make sense of.

1. Does that mean if they sign a contract for a further 4 years after 2 years their value drops on the books by 1 million a year because 4 million has already gone or does it continue by the original amount?

2. Regardless of if the above is correct does that mean when the contract runs out and they sign a new one if we sell him it is just counted as pure profit? So the guzan example if we sold him for 10m

It's really important for this to be known so we know what to expect money wise on transfers as in what's affordable.

The fee is amortized over the contract and the wages are written down as wages usually are (weekly/monthly) when paid, no?

Yea that's right I must have had a brain fart. So 8m over 4 years loss of 2m a year correct?

What happens then though that's the bit that confuses me

As of Sunday there was no offers for Delph. I know that to be a fact.

We're not scoring goals so we're bound to be linked with a ton of strikers, even though it's not exactly what we need. The people who make up these rumours don't usually do context.

Quite. If, and I do say if, we get anyone this window it won't be a striker in my opinion it will be a wide player and most likely on loan.

We could do with replacements for Gabby and Wiemann, if we are adopting this new possesion style football then they are virtually useless. They are good counter attack type players but asking them to make clever runs in and around the box when when we are having possesion is pointless, they are not intelligent enough to play that way and both lack any real technical abilty

I agree, the problem as always is money.

Wasn't it quoted (from somewhere) last summer that Randy would back Lambert financially in January?

Cheap platitudes though aren't they really - he might chuck £10m at us best case scenario.

Its hardly the £50m this teams needs to make it even vaguely competitive though is it?

I don't think we're £50million away, we're a couple of players short from being a really good side (provided we're set up right), what needs addressing is the breakdown between midfield and attack.

Trouble is a lot of the players Paul has brought in he has taken a gamble on because largely with the money he had that's what he had to do. Some have worked out some havent. The players we need now to make a difference cant really be gambles they have to work and so that will cost both in terms of fees and wages , not 50M maybe but lets say it's two 9 or 10M players thats 20M. They'll want 3 year contracts I guess as a minimum on around 60K pw so there's another 9M each in basic wages before bonuses and signing on fees so for two qualityish players that we need you are talking 40M starter.

Fortunately you don't need to pay all the wages and bonuses up front...

Well with amortisation you kind of do and that counts under FFP regs

Keep delph & vlaar til end of season

Sign Sinclair in jan

Wait to get cleverly on a free

Sell benteke 45m, gabby, weiman & nzogbia should be about 50m to spend

In summer go for Townsend, dembele, Ings & Austin

Guzan

Hutton okore clark cissokho

Sanchez westwood

Townsend dembele Sinclair

Austin

Drugs are just bad.....mmmmkay.

I was thinking the same thing

We're not scoring goals so we're bound to be linked with a ton of strikers, even though it's not exactly what we need. The people who make up these rumours don't usually do context.

Quite. If, and I do say if, we get anyone this window it won't be a striker in my opinion it will be a wide player and most likely on loan.

We could do with replacements for Gabby and Wiemann, if we are adopting this new possesion style football then they are virtually useless. They are good counter attack type players but asking them to make clever runs in and around the box when when we are having possesion is pointless, they are not intelligent enough to play that way and both lack any real technical abilty

I agree, the problem as always is money.

Wasn't it quoted (from somewhere) last summer that Randy would back Lambert financially in January?

Cheap platitudes though aren't they really - he might chuck £10m at us best case scenario. Meaning less in reality if as I fear we end up chucking £8m at Manyoo for Cleverly.

Its hardly the £50m this teams needs to make it even vaguely competitive though is it?

10m sounds about right to my calculations last summer.

50m is never going to happen we live in a world of FFP and you need to deal with that when it comes to your expectations

I agree 2 million would be a piss take

Gomis linked today. Bit odd a decent player with a 1 in 3 record in France but he signed for Swansea in the summer on a free, he's a centre forward and 29. Hardly what you would think is our remit to be signed unless he came cheap!

I wouldn't be adverse to it if the money is right with kozak out for so much longer than expected.

But we really need wide forwards and a midfielder who can create and get in the box

This team is poor because of its midfield and wide forward set up even if you changed 1 midfielder for a box to box player and both wide forwards we would be easily a top half team

It isn't 2 or three million if they throw in a player like dembele