MakemineVanilla

It sure looks like you know little about socialism Unfortunately the right conflated Labour's social democratic post-war project with Stalinism and worse, and so the term socialism in common usage, covers a multitude of sins. Even Wiki has two different pages for socialism and socialism (Marxism). So I think it is safe to assume that the tag covers a spectrum of political models. The recent Daily Mail attack on Ralph Miliband who was a Marxist, was used to accuse Red Ed of being the same, by describing him as a socialist, in the full knowledge that readers would predictably conflate the two. So taking that into account I would say that New Labour's project was Social Democracy light, which dispensed with the nationalisation and national industrial planning but kept wealth distribution, social security, the minimum wage and Keynesian demand management. So if you accept that social democracy is driven by socialist values, and that wealth redistribution is one of those values, then you probably have to accept that tax-credits are a socialist intervention.

'My numbers' would be the same numbers as you would have seen on the final page: WTC of £512.88 CTC of £4274.52 And a total of £4787.40 On that page it also says, "This is the amount your household may be entitled to from 09/10/2013 until 05/04/2014. This result is only an estimate and is based on the information provided assuming you make the claim on 09/10/2013. This means the amount shown may not be your entitlement for the full year." It is amazing that it is actually twice as much as I originally thought. The Which web site gives a figure of £8715 for 3 kids and an income of £15k. So if correct the total should read: WTC £ 512.88 CTC £ 8715 CV £ 2392 Total £ 11619.88 Giving an income of £26619.88 It sure looks like socialism to me.

This? Edit: If so, the results from that would suggest you have double counted the WTC. Also I believe they only represent the tax credits for between now and the beginning of April, not for a full year. I would prefer to see your numbers but as you are claiming that I massively understated just how generous the government are, I am more than satisfied with that. You are quite correct, I did massively understate the generosity of the government; thanks for putting me right.

This? Yep!

But he/she doesn't have the luxury of a partner at home who makes no contribution. p.s. Bod above appears to have double counted the WTC. Repeat: All the figures were supplied by the government's own calculator. Based upon 1 partner earning £15300, the other earning nothing, with three kids 3, 7 and 10. I merely multiplied the child benefit and added the numbers provided.

I think this post got lost on it's way to the Jokes thread .... Here are the numbers from the government's own site: Husband working earns £15300 Working tax credit 513 Child tax credit(3 kids) 4787 Child benefit 2392 £22992

There is a lot of harsh things said about the present government and a lot of whining about them being only interested in the rich but despite all this, it seems that when you look at the figures of the amount of money they actually hand out to people with children on low incomes, it not only looks like socialism, it actually looks quite generous. A couple with 3 children and an income of around £15k a year will be handed nearly £8k of tax-payers money in the form of working and child tax credits and child benefit. So for doing the same job and even having the luxury of a partner at home who makes no contribution, the person with three children takes home 50% more than the childless person doing the same job. Seems very generous to me.

My name is Fred and I live in Sussex and have supported Villa for many years. Don't manage to get to many home games these days, usually just Christmas, when I am up visiting relatives in Erdington. So tend to read the debates on the Villa forums, to keep up to date and tuned in with the mood of the fans.