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His driver shouldn't have done it. He should say sorry and then reprimand his driver in quiet. But blimey a picture paints a thousand words, or nearly 10,000 on here. Its like listening to Will Gompertz

pints I hope not litres, or maybe a sixth of a gill if its spirit

well you said

i find the thinking of ukip (and i suspect many of its supporters) very much in the same 'ball park' as a lot of the definitions re fascism which as i said have been all over the press re dicanio.

I read that as you suspect many supporters of ukip  think very much in the ball park as a lot of the definitions of facism. 

I think that's prejudiced. 

well haven't you prejudged the views of many ukip supporters?

 

Interesting the definitions of fascism . Using wiki (which now seems to be ok) makes interesting reading when comparing to ukip beliefs (also how many tory supporters also seemingly support ukip i wonder if cchq would be interested in that view)

Please, explain how they are similar - instead of just repeating the post from the previous page again. What similarities did you find interesting?

i find the thinking of ukip (and i suspect many of its supporters) very much in the same 'ball park' as a lot of the definitions re fascism which as i said have been all over the press re dicanio. Maybe not living in the uk you have not seen or heard a lot of what has been said? You obviously see no similarities as a kip supporter so be it, but considering that fascism is not a party as such with set policies but more an idealogy its a fair comparison to make , imo and interesting to see the similarities and thinking or at least the thinking they allow to be publically stated

Isn't this prejudice?

Oh another one. The guy who owned the business wanted me and a pal upstate New York ASAP that meant that night. He said it doesn't matter If its Concorde just be there. Had a look around for flights and we agreed with the local boss that Concorde was the best option We left him to organise the tickets while we rushed home to pack some things. We got a message at the airport, and found the bastard had found a cheaper flight and booked us on that.

I'm not bitter but I do hope his ears turn into arseholes and he shits all over his shoulders.

Its been a while but I did travel a lot some 10 years ago, probably closer to 15 if I think about it. Lots of it was on Business, but that was cool too. I had just come back from a SF, Vegas, LA holiday with my wife. Got back to work on the Monday and the Boss told me we had a contract in LA for 18 months, would I do it. Talked it over with the missus and we agreed. I worked like this I would work 3 weeks and then come home for a week on Gardening leave (administration) God it was good times. 2 really good things happened on the second trip, 1st I met a seasoned traveller, who taught me how to travel. 1st thing he said was to drop BA and go to Virgin. Based on my previous 5 flights a year I was mister nobody with BA but I would probably be a good second tier passenger with Virgin. I phoned Virgin for the next flight, passed on my BA silver card details and booked. Boy, they rolled out the red carpet for me, 1st class first trip. In all I must have made about 25 flights with them and was bumped up from terrorist class on at least 2 thirds of them. The second thing he told me was to listen to what was being ordered from duty free, find out what they have run out of, then order it. So I tried, next trip they were out of Jack Daniels, when they told me they were out, I sighed, not a rant but "oh no, thats 3 times in the last month, but not to worry its not your fault" At the end of the flight they brought me a plastic bag half full with JD miniatures and 2 bottles of champagne. Did that plenty of times. One the occasions where I wasn't bumped up at check in, as I would enter the plane, I would volunteer my services to the steward/ stewardess in case of a rowdy passenger (apparently they are not allowed to ask for help) more often than not, that would get me the exit row seat with the extra leg room. Obviously you couldn't pull these stunts if you had the same cabin crew each trip. 

But the best bit was I signed up for the frequent flyer programmes of all their partner airlines. On returning, I would write to these (it was 6 at  the time) with a photocopy of the boarding card, saying I had forgotten to collect my airmiles. God I had so many. I had 75% of total required for the top prize, 2 weeks on Necker Island. Rather than waste them on one trip, me and the missus had some great hols, even had enough to take 6 buddies to Cape town on a golfing trip, hotels as well.

The other good thing on the second trip, the Avis hire car was broken into, no problem, couple of holdalls with documents nicked thats all. I phoned them Avis no problem, take the car back and they'll replace it. I was working about 40 minutes from the airport, so I asked if there was anywhere nearer. Well there was it was about 5 minutes around the corner. Took it in and did all the paper work. I started chatting to the girl, It was only a small place with about a dozen cars. When I told her I needed a car for about 40 weeks of the year, her eyes lit up. We struck a deal, where I would take  the car I picked up  from the airport on the Sunday (again mr nobody out of 10'000 cars) to her place after work on Monday, and she would swap it for the best car she had. I turned up for work in Pontiac firebirds, Corvettes even had a dodge viper the one time. I had to explain to their accountant they were still being charged for a ford escort type thingy. One trip I told the girl I fancied going up country soon. She emailed me not to change the car on the Monday, but wait till the Wednesday because she had a Grand Cherokee coming it. It was bigger than my house. It was on this trip, found a lakeside hotel  well it was a series of lodges around the lake, really picturesque. all peace and quiet, until about 3 in the morning when someone shot someone in one of the lodges.  I shit myself, Cops were there in 10 minutes though.

So I would work Monday to Friday, but the weekends were my own, I would be off to Vegas or palm springs or the Like.

Oh the other good thing was they paid me $35 a day per diem. I don't think I touched my Salary, apart from standing orders, during that time, whatever I needed I bought over there.

Happy days

The trips to South Africa were amazing to, I'll think about them and post them later

Titanic paid for 4 tickets and it was bleeding shite

well its a phrase first used by a  Richard Best, a crossbencher in the Lords, taken up by the Labour party. A phrase rejected by Cameron  in the Commons asking  Milliband how it can possibly be a tax.

The "Bedroom Tax"

 

Its not a **** tax you sack of clueless morons - Its a reduction in benefit.  

A bit of research might help you with that 

Can we see some evidence of this 'policy'?

Here's a starter for 10. Do you dispute that multiculturalism has been pursued by the state as a policy objective? It's not just here either, Merkel commented (last year as I recall) that it had failed in Germany and I'm pretty sure the French have said the same.

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United Kingdom

Modest multicultural policies^[57] were adopted by local administrations from the 1970s and 1980s onwards, initially during the Labour government of Harold Wilson.^[58] In 1997 the New Labour government committed to a multiculturalist approach at a national level, but after 2001 there was something of a backlash, led by centre-left commentators such as David Goodhart and Trevor Phillips. The government then embraced a policy of community cohesion instead. In 2011 Prime Minister and Conservative Party leader David Cameron said in a speech that "state multiculturalism has failed".^[59]London is one of the most multicultural cities in the world.

 

Merkel said it in 2010 

Sarkozy said it in 2011

SKY I  refuse to use them

Oh and we certainly  don't like anyone who's religeous

i don't really know what promoting multiculturalism is. I know we are one of the most diverse nations in the Western world. I know I couldn't really care who my next door neighbor is, as long as he's law abiding. I don't really have the answer whether its good or not. I know the French and Germans are against it, but that doesn't mean its bad. Perhaps we are more tolerant in a pluralistic society. One thing that does bother me is the fact we have plenty of hatred to enough groups already resident. You only have to look at our comments about other teams, Liverpool, ManU. We refer to Chelsea as Chavski , Any supporters are plastic. We don't even like our neighbours, Look at the comments about BCFC , WBA OR Coventry. Yet we never have a go at Walsall, is that because their not perceived as a threat to take away our position as top dogs in the midlands. We hate all bankers (did we hate Ruth Kelly when she was a politician, or just when she joined the board of HSBC) we hate the Tories  Lib dems and Labour. In fact I'm pretty sure we could fit almost every person in England into a group we hate.

I just don't think we are as tolerant as people as we'd like to think we are

I'm sorry but I see absolutely no point to your post.

 

p.s. Where are these 'legal minimum requirements' for houses set out?

I suppose the meaning of my point is that somewhere eventually, there will be a point where there is no land mass left for people. So there is an absolute maximum. Whatever that point is, for quality of life etc.  is up for debate.  It is no good going on about more immigration without bearing that in mind. 

, I apolgise for my reference to moving 8 million white people out, the colour reference was not intended to be of offence, merely to highlight that  I don't mind the make up of our society. I think any previous posts will back me up.

I do think there is an absolute figure that UK can hold though.

Given that the Land mass is 243610 square kilometres 

and the legal minimum requirement for a 3 bedroom house is 65 square metres

That equates to 15,384 houses per square mile or as near as damn 3.7 billion homes. 

If the average 3 bedroom house can take 2 adults and 2 kids

that should give the land mass able to take about 15 billion people. 

Now of course we could build hi rise flats, but against that I haven't allowed for things like rivers, or schools or hospitals or sewerage plants or factories or offices.

Basically that just covers the uk in concrete. 

So no more than 15 billion people, 

Do you think it could be more?

ok  whats your best guess then. 

not sure what you mean

I think the problem was with what you meant.

Why the comment about '8 million white English folk' moving out (if not suggesting that only white 'English' people were entitled to be here before you made your 'transfer')?

Not at all that. I have mentioned my concerns over a long period about the size of our population. Far too often for my liking some people just respond by suggesting its racist to even discuss my point, not suggesting you do that. However, In my feeble attempt to defend my position and still make my point, I sometimes feel I have to emphasise that I do not care what the colour or creed of the nation is. I might get it wrong but I'm just trying to balance it. 

Now whats the maximum we can hold  100m 200m 1billion?

Just wondering how its penalising the other 130,000. if 50,000 people in couples live in 3 bedroom houses, but 50,000 families are in 2 bedroom houses, just an example, whats wrong with them swapping. I just took 50,000 as a guess, because I don't believe every case would be a like for like match

Firstly, wot The Don points out.

Secondly, you weren't talking about 3 bedrooms going in to 2 bedrooms - or you weren't responding to a post talking about that. Bicks's point was about one bedroom social houses (existing stock, I'd guess) and you seem to have, unsurprisingly, run straight past this to the point that you wanted to make.

As per the point that I brought up earlier in the thread in response to Ender's claim about a shortage of 3/4 bedrooom properties as opposed to 1 beds, I'm not sure that's correct (at least across the country).

One report that I did read about 7 HAs in the south east, they claimed that there would need to be a 7.5% increase in their stock of 1 beds in order to satisfy the 'demand' (i.e the transfer of existing tenants) and that didn't take in to account the lack of fiscal sense that investing in new 1 bed properties would mean. Their analysis opf the situation may be wrong but it would take an expert to claim so, otherwise it was pretty horrifying with regard to where we will end up (they suggested that it would be irresponsible to acquire any new 3 bed + properties, too).

Ok lets clear this up. I made reference to the Bedroom tax in response to Chris's earlier post in which he suggested it would be ok to move old people out of 3 bedroom homes into smaller units, to free up the bigger houses to families. I said this sounds remarkably like the bedroom tax. Since then I have responded to about 3 of you one after another. Sorry If I missed anything. My whole point for the last hour or so is the resources.  By the way there was no need for the unsurprisingly comment. 

Now I'd ask again would any of you answer me that one question  I keep asking . what is the maximum population you think we can take, 100 million 200 million a billion? 

Ok, Until we have the will, money technology and politicians to deliver Chris' suggestions, a more prudent route would be to rein in net immigration ( by the way, I don't mind if 5 million immigrants come in if about 8 million white English folk move out)

Nice. 'You don't mind'?

'8 million white English folk', eh?

not sure what you mean

Again I say I don't believe...

Why not?

If you are going to advocate the pulling up of drawbridges, shouldn't you bring to the table evidence that it won't be detrimental (i.e. contrary to the evidence put forward that immigration is of net economic benefit)?

Ok, Until we have the will, money technology and politicians to deliver Chris' suggestions, a more prudent route would be to rein in net immigration ( by the way, I don't mind if 5 million immigrants come in if about 8 million white English folk move out)

 

Bedroom Tax - In England there are 180,000 social tenants "under-occupying" two-bedroom houses but fewer than 70,000 one-bedroom social houses to move to.

Fair? methinks not

Your are right, It can't be fair to everyone. but it might solve the problem for 50,000 or so

 

It may solve the problem for 50k by penalising the other 130k? Or have I got your fairness wrong?

Just wondering how its penalising the other 130,000. if 50,000 people in couples live in 3 bedroom houses, but 50,000 families are in 2 bedroom houses, just an example, whats wrong with them swapping. I just took 50,000 as a guess, because I don't believe every case would be a like for like match

Again I say I don't believe...

Why not?

If you are going to advocate the pulling up of drawbridges, shouldn't you bring to the table evidence that it won't be detrimental (i.e. contrary to the evidence put forward that immigration is of net economic benefit)?

quoted the wrong one.

I'm sure immigration is good. The majority of those coming in are hard working. My concern is not that I think they are scroungers, benefit cheats or whatever, Its about our resources. 

So now I agree that net immigration on the whole is a good thing, But my concern is for our resources, would you or anybody answer the 1 question  (brought to the table with evidence  )  I have asked several times what you think the maximum population could be, 100 million, 200 million 500 million, 1 billion. 

Because all I hear is net immigration is good lets have more, up to what point?

Bedroom Tax - In England there are 180,000 social tenants "under-occupying" two-bedroom houses but fewer than 70,000 one-bedroom social houses to move to.

Fair? methinks not

Your are right, It can't be fair to everyone. but it might solve the problem for 50,000 or so

http://uknea.unep-wcmc.org/Resources/tabid/82/Default.aspx

 

This report appears kinda in depth and without political bias, it shows 6.8% of the UK is urban, I'd suggest 6.8% is not full. I'd go as far as to say it's over 93% not full.

 

I've never previously been warned not to mix my UK drinking waters as they become toxic, I might have to look into that later.

 

It would be a mistake to presume I support the bedroom tax. Quite the opposite, I support the nurturing of a community spirit whilst also helping build infrastructure and not the spiteful vindictive taxing of the poor to push them into ghettos.

 

We would do all this because it would be a constructive way to improve quality of life, potentially if we can feed ourselves, fuel our homes and live in good quality suitable housing in sensible places we won't need more and more cash to buy in fuel and food. The problem with buying in fuel and food, it's expensive, doubly so when we need to spend on the military to then protect our fuel and food interests. It's kinda connected. It's about polititcians having aspirations to improve the nation not just stay in power by pandering to a short term majority with short term tax tweeks, expensively buying off group after group.

You would be wrong in thinking that we are 93%  not full then. I have spent a little time on the report but will consider it more. It does say that UK is 6.8% urban. But it also states that