PauloBarnesi

A complicated individual, who at times is incredibly intelligently and articulate man. At times he’s much less than that. 

Brave of him to put his head above the parapet on this.

If you look at the bottom half, over 10 games, virtually all of them have the same form, only Sunderland and Palace are improving in any meaningful way. 

He did what was needed and asked of him. Perfectly happy with his performance.

 

 

If it's Dann as expected....

 

Great - we need a central defender and have always felt this should be the number one target area. A little disappointed it's a Championship standard player, but when you can only afford Championship standard wages, and Championship standard fees then that's all we're going to get. Unless we get a surprise.

 

I looked and I couldn’t see Dann connected to us since McLeish left?

 

 

Sorry when I last looked on here tonight it seemed like it was going to be Dann, from what Hodgson has said. Is that not right now then? Are we expected another striker after all?

 

I thought we never trusted anything written on here unless a genuine ITK said so   Where is MYSTERYMAN????

If it's Dann as expected....

 

Great - we need a central defender and have always felt this should be the number one target area. A little disappointed it's a Championship standard player, but when you can only afford Championship standard wages, and Championship standard fees then that's all we're going to get. Unless we get a surprise.

I looked and I couldn’t see Dann connected to us since McLeish left?

 

His signing is very similar to what MON did with Chris Sutton. That was a success so you never know.

Eh? He scored 1 goal and spent the rest of season injured with an eye injury

 

He won us three points. So yes it was worth it. Success would be an exaggeration, but not a bad move. Of course we then signed Carew and Young in January so it didn’t matter

 

 

The Nuremberg Laws which robbed Jews of German citizenship and made sexual contact with them illegal, were enacted in 1935.

 

Jews started to flee Germany by then.

 

Hitler's plan for the Jews was clearly laid out in Mein Kampf (1925).

 

British Fascists were beating up Jews in 1936.

 

Churchill knew exactly what was going on.

 

I am not sure anyone knew to the full extent what was happening until sometime after 1941 when the ‘final solution’ came into being. I think that many simply could not believe the depths of what was to come. I am sure that many of the papers that relate to the British knowledge and the reaction within government are still classified.

Didn’t Blandy post something about the Germans not be that efficient last year? Anyway I would love it if we had a half decent car industry. Oh we have; Mini, Rolls Royce and Bentley. All owned by Germans. Or a decent railway company. Oh we have; Chiltern Railways. Owned by DB...

Anyway back to Scargill. Think everything has been said. Vilified and loved by many. 

 

 

 

Have we got a single political leader in the 20th C & 21st C that we can all agree on? Possibly only Churchill in WWII?

Churchill really was quite a vile man.

 

Good wartime leader perhaps, but other than that ..... nope.

 

 

Yeah, the Churchill thing?

 

I read Roy Jenkins biography which left me thinking 'what a guy' but then it quickly became apparent that loads of the bad stuff had been left out.

 

The American historian Buchanan, in his book 'the unnecessary war', makes the case that a cult was created around Churchill and that this country has become more militaristic as a result, and that every British PM's main ambition is to gain Churchillian status by some military intervention.

 

Seems reasonable to me. 

 

An American historian talking about unnecessary war;   maybe he should study the US record first.

 

 

 

 

Have we got a single political leader in the 20th C & 21st C that we can all agree on? Possibly only Churchill in WWII?

Churchill really was quite a vile man.

 

Good wartime leader perhaps, but other than that ..... nope.

 

Vile in what way  ? certainly he was flawed but I've never heard him called vile before

 

doesn't take much research Paulo squire:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/nov/28/features11.g21

 

The Churchill you didn't know

Thousands voted him the greatest Briton - but did they know about his views on Gandhi, gassing and Jews...

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• The Guardian, Thursday 28 November 2002

I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and nazism, I would choose communism.

Speaking in the House of Commons, autumn 1937

I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.

Writing as president of the Air Council, 1919

It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organising and conducting a campaign of civil disobedience, to parlay on equal terms with the representative of the Emperor-King.

Commenting on Gandhi's meeting with the Viceroy of India, 1931

(India is) a godless land of snobs and bores.

In a letter to his mother, 1896

I do not admit... that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia... by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place.

Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937

(We must rally against) a poisoned Russia, an infected Russia of armed hordes not only smiting with bayonet and cannon, but accompanied and preceded by swarms of typhus-bearing vermin.

Quoted in the Boston Review, April/May 2001

"The choice was clearly open: crush them with vain and unstinted force, or try to give them what they want. These were the only alternatives and most people were unprepared for either. Here indeed was the Irish spectre - horrid and inexorcisable.

Writing in The World Crisis and the Aftermath, 1923-31

The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate... I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed.

Churchill to Asquith, 1910

One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations."

From his Great Contemporaries, 1937

You are callous people who want to wreck Europe - you do not care about the future of Europe, you have only your own miserable interests in mind.

Addressing the London Polish government at a British Embassy meeting, October 1944

So far as Britain and Russia were concerned, how would it do for you to have 90% of Romania, for us to have 90% of the say in Greece, and go 50/50 about Yugoslavia?

Addressing Stalin in Moscow, October 1944

This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920

 

Think you should be aiming that at Tony not moi. 

But as I ve said Churchill rather than Hitler for me. Better the devil you know and all that.

 

 

Have we got a single political leader in the 20th C & 21st C that we can all agree on? Possibly only Churchill in WWII?

Churchill really was quite a vile man.

 

Good wartime leader perhaps, but other than that ..... nope.

 

Better our vile man than that rather vile man from Germany. Good probably doesn’t describe him in terms of what he did.

Good old Harold. Never did anything wrong, apart from honour the Beatles. 

Have we got a single political leader in the 20th C & 21st C that we can all agree on? Possibly only Churchill in WWII?

Seems to me that Scargill ran his own union into the ground through his own personal agenda.

I've had time to think and now retract my initial hate. I stand by my comments calling him fat. But hes experienced and he's got a good goal-scoring record in this league under Lambert. I hope this proves a good move.

As many people say I wish I was that fat?! He might be overweight, but fat no. But he’s never been the thinnest of players, the question is how fit or unfit is he?

 

 

 

Milner was a Villa player when he arrived and was let slip at £5m, only to be picked up for £12m a year later.

When who arrived? MON tried to buy him iirc and Newcastle pulled the plug because they couldn’t buy Mark Viduka. Don’t think you can blame MON for Freddie Shepherd, or can we??

Yep, we were going to sign him on deadline day, he was on his way when Newcastle pulled out.

So he was 'let slip'

 

Yes Villa let him slip away. Just like we let Bergkamp slip away...

 

Milner was a Villa player when he arrived and was let slip at £5m, only to be picked up for £12m a year later.

 

When who arrived? MON tried to buy him iirc and Newcastle pulled the plug because they couldn’t buy Mark Viduka. Don’t think you can blame MON for Freddie Shepherd, or can we??

BBC running a programme on Scargill’s use of money at the NUM 

Seems that what ever divide of the political line you are on, power does strange things to you.

Scargill used Thatcherite policy to try and buy council flat

Former miners' union leader Arthur Scargill tried to use laws introduced by Margaret Thatcher to buy a council flat in London, the BBC has found.

In 1993 he applied to buy the flat on the prestigious Barbican estate under the right-to-buy scheme championed by Thatcher, his political enemy.

News that he tried to exploit a flagship Conservative policy has angered current miners' union leaders.

One former Yorkshire miner said: "It's so hypocritical it's unreal."

The rent on the flat was paid to the Corporation of London by the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM), of which Mr Scargill was the then president.

After Margaret Thatcher became prime minister in May 1979, the legislation to implement the right to buy was passed in the Housing Act 1980.

The sale price of a council house was based on its market value but also included a 33% to 50% discount to reflect the rents paid by tenants and encourage take-up. The policy became one of the major planks of Thatcherism.

Evidence of Mr Scargill's attempt to buy the Barbican property under the scheme is contained in legal documents obtained by the BBC's Inside Out programme.

The papers relate to a court case last year in which Mr Scargill lost the right to stay in his London flat for life at the expense of the NUM.

Arthur Scargill (centre) was the figurehead of the National Union of Miners (NUM)

The 76-year-old told the BBC that had he succeeded in buying the flat he would subsequently have transferred its ownership to the union.

He said this would have saved the union a substantial amount of money and provided it with an asset.

However, his application was refused because the flat in the Barbican Estate's Shakespeare Tower was not Mr Scargill's primary residence.

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I think if it had been made public before then there'd have been a huge outcry”

Jimmy KellyFormer Yorkshire miner

He did not mention in his application that the flat was paid for by the NUM and it was established in the Barbican court case that, from 1991 until 2008, the NUM's national executive committee did not know it was paying for the flat.

NUM general secretary Chris Kitchen said: "The fact that Scargill tried to use Thatcher's right-to-buy scheme is bad enough, but there is no evidence it would have been signed over to the NUM for the benefit of the members.

"We just have his word which 10 years ago would have been enough for me, but not now.

"Unfortunately the perception I had of Arthur the great trade unionist, socialist, just is nothing like the reality as to the man that I know now and that I've been at loggerheads with for most of my term of office."

Former Scargill loyalist Jimmy Kelly, a miner at the Edlington Main pit near Doncaster in the 1980s, said he was astonished to learn of the attempt to buy the Barbican flat.

"It's so hypocritical it's unreal," he said. "It was Thatcher's legislation, actually giving council tenants the right to buy their own houses.

"I think if it had been made public before then there'd have been a huge outcry. I think people would be astounded by knowing that.

"During the strike there was nothing better than him [scargill], we'd have followed him to the end of the world and, in effect, we probably did."

The really sad thing is that the members of the NUM are the one who suffer.

 

I reckon he will do the job that is required

Yet an average championship side who currently own him have no interest in having him do any sort of a job for them.

 

Different managers want different things, and need different personal; its a fairly typical thing. 

Look at Stephen Ireland; utter tripe for four Villa managers, maybe .1 decent game in how many years. Mark Hughes can’t wait to get him. 

I am not inclined either way by this signing. But I am not going to damn the manager or say I am not supporting Villa when he comes until I ve actually seen him play. Sure its not getting me excited, but to be honest I haven’t been excited since the days of signing Carew, et al. 

I ve no idea how much he is costing, and what this has install for the rest of the transfer window. He is obviously the cheap option as we didn’t want to sign that guy from Everton because he was too expensive (I wonder what the toxic legacy of some of Moyes signings is?)

To be fair it reminds me a little bit of the Chris Sutton signing. IIRC correctly he had been released by Birmingham City, he came in and did what was wanted of him. A pity we lost him to injury. 

Strava is the app to go for; its the market leader, and several VTers are up there. Infact maybe its time we created a VT group???!

Beating Leicester that season away 5-1 was a good game. As was beating Charlton 2-1 with them missing a penalty last minute

Be interesting to do a correlation of who the managers were; lots for Saunders, GT mk I, BFR and even MON. 

Have to be honest and say I saw a few enjoyable games with GT mk II, Houllier, Lambert and even McLeish. Yes I witnessed the 3-1 victory at Stamford Bridge; talk about unexpected!

Joe Cole is a shadow of the shadow of the shadow of the player who was a starlet aged 3

JLS had that purple patch which peaked at our 2-1 win at Charlton, where de la Cruz had got an express motorbike to the ground after some WC qualification exertions. Samuel scored from a beautiful move down the left side and then they missed a last minute penalty. One of the highlights of DOL’s first season. After the game I made the outrageous claim that Samuel was good enough for England. He promptly got the call up and then played zero minutes. Last seen in Iran.

Warnock’s highlight was probably his first appearance in the derby where we had a back line with three debutants. Amazing how quickly it descended into farce, though he did show that Clark is never a left back with the second half cameo against Wolves.

If he continues his upward trajectory, we may have discovered a perfectly ordinary young attacking left back with few defensive qualities.

Bring back JLS