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23 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said:

I agree, but a little time on the bench may do him some good, it most definitely give some good for chambers and Villa 

It’s refreshing to see Villa actually having competition for the starting 11 

I actually whilst he is a good vfm signing and useful player Chambers is vastly overated. If Chambers starts the season I think TM or Konsa will quickly be restored to the side.

1 hour ago, CarryOnVilla said:

He’s not afraid to speak out for causes he cares about. BLM, Mental Health, helping children. He’s a real footballing ambassador. As a footballer, he’s exceptionally good and more so when he got in to football via the non league route. He’s now one of the best LCBs in the country. These make him a great candidate to be captain. 

However, he has openly stated he struggles with his mental health and I do believe it impacts on his game. Because the only weakness Tyrone has to his game is that he suffers from a serious case of “brain flatulence”.. all the “mistakes” people criticise him on is due to him having some serious brain farts. Put him under a bit of pressure, where he has to think quick, he’ll eventually make that “mistake”. It also probably doesn’t help him when people point out his mistakes, which adds extra complications to his decision making when he’s under pressure. Such as questioning his instincts, when he doesn’t need to. This would lead to more mistakes 

so, if not being captain helps him clear his on field thoughts, the better. If he can get over his brain flatulence, he will be a player that most teams would love to have in their starting 11

But as things stand is he making our starting 11 in just over a week's time. ?

Probably not imo.

5 minutes ago, burchy said:

Having watched a few of his interviews I get the impression he likes the shithousery. With him saying the majority of our business was done weeks ago for now, I’d like to think he’s hinting at a few more incomings being in the offing. 

Also liked that he said it doesn’t guarantee anyone a start regarding the captaincy/vice captaincy. 

Well based on last season certain players seemed guaranteed a start.

Let's hope that's not the case this season. 

I don't think it will be. More of a problem will be finding his best 11.

1 hour ago, Rossi said:

Probably cos of his popularity amongst the team to start with, the fact he's an out field player to, I'm not a massive fan of goal keepers being captain. Plus, he might take on the extra responsibility and thrive on it, let's face it sometimes Mings looked like it was weighing him down. Anyway for me it's not a shock like it seems to be amongst a lot of villa fans.

I don't think it was.

Some were just asking how much coaching Stevie G does. A lot or very little - it doesn't matter so long as results are decent. 

I mean Critchley is obviously a Stevie G apt - so the kudos or otherwise rests with SG.

Edit : wrong quote - but you get the point.

1 minute ago, MrBlack said:

Really?

Everyone*  .. the votes for McGinn ALL came in after it was announced.

And he still only has 12 lol !

32 minutes ago, Rossi said:

What ever people's stance on Gerrard is, let's be honest, mcginn was the obvious choice as captain.

Not according to the VT poll.!

Just now, briny_ear said:

It’s just another outlet for a few posters to continue their theme that Gerrard is clueless as a manager. 

Gerrard chooses McGinn as captain, so it must be a mistake, is their reasoning.

Gerrard chose muesli for his breakfast, the clueless idiot. No Villa manager has chosen muesli since Tim Sherwood.

Whether he is clueless or not will depend on results. 

He has his own players and a pre season to prep them to his liking.

Just over a week until the season starts and we get to see how good he is.

16 minutes ago, briny_ear said:

Slightly bizarre idea. So we would just have had to guess the captaincy had changed hands when we saw the armband on McGinn, not Mings?

I’m pretty confident this would have been discussed “behind closed doors” before the announcement.

No. My recollection was that towards the back end of last season Stevie G announced that the captaincy position would be reviewed over the summer.

1 hour ago, RichiBoi11 said:

“Naturally, I have had to have a discussion with Tyrone Mings and have explained my reasons for making this decision. More importantly, I believe that not having the responsibility of the captaincy will allow Tyrone to focus more on his own game which can only benefit him and the team.”

 

Doesn't sound like he's desperate to move him on...

Well it depends more on Ming's. For all we know Ming's may be pleased not to captain ( I doubt it but you never know).

Clubs looking a CB may be alerted to this news - clearly if TM starts ripping it up at another club then questions will rightly be asked. But that's a long way down the line.

7 minutes ago, TRO said:

Well Pete, sadly, your reaction is predictable, mate.

Since November a million and one things needed to be looked at, so thats a bit disingenuous, to start with.....but I agree, the affect could be nominal, but it could be significant too, we have to wait and see....predictions are what they are, reality is what matters.

Even Elon Musk has failed Umpten times in his innovative life, trying things in an effort to improve.....so failure is an an inevitability of folk who try things, in an effort to improve.....There isn't a manger out there that is right every time BEFORE he tries things.....trial and error, is a huge part of football.

Its only a dubious decision, to those that are keen to be proven right, in their disdain for him.....and will be satisfied when he fails, despite wanting the team to do well......That is going to be a very tricky situation to seperate/compromise, Pete.

As I have said elsewhere I think the decision has been handled poorly - this should have been a discreet discussion behind closed doors.

As for Stevie G imo he has a talented squad of players.his success or failure will be dependent on if he can mould them into a team.

5 minutes ago, TRO said:

I would think, much of our existence is played out at BMH......we only see what happens on match day.

Sure the match is the most important, but the work at BMH is the conduit to it.

Maybe the manager see's McGinn as the natural leader, the one they all gravitate to, so he has just verified, what was already there anyway.

Maybe he wants to see more influence further forward and that Mings will still show his influence at the back anyway.

We will have to wait and see, if it works.....we have to try these things.....because losing 19 games last season, wasn't working.

If the problem was Ming's being captain when it should have been Mcginn I wonder why it's taken him since November to realise that.

To be honest switching the captaincy to Mcginn (or any other player) is only ever going to have a very nominal impact (if any at all) on results. We would probably still have lost those 19 games last season.

It's another dubious decision from Stevie G though - that's the bigger issue here.

11 minutes ago, Mantis said:

I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest this is the case.

I thought Gerrard had alluded to this on at least a couple of occasions.

Him saying Beale was the brains behind the coaching etc.

Not a dig at Stevie G - I just thought he was ok pretty open about leaving the coaching (to an extent) to his head coach.

3 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said:

Making McGinn captain is a very strange decision.

He isn't even our best midfielder.

We always get pelters from McGinn fans if we criticise him.

I assume some posters will be happy with the choice?

Tbf the managers makes the call and he knows both players better than any of us. I like Mcginn.

My problem is more the way the issue has been handled than the decision itself.

1 minute ago, WooJung said:

Says who? Leaders will lead, on and off the pitch. Henderson isn't a guaranteed starter for Liverpool and that doesn't stop him from being captain.

And we must copy Liverpool at all costs 

3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Unless this other club were going to make him Captain, this makes no sense. Lol

Not really - it's a very public vote of no confidence in TM. 

He's brought in 2cbs now. 

I think the writing is on the wall for TM now. Be surprised if he starts v Bournemouth.

All IMO of course.

3 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said:

Isn’t everything done publicly now. Ten Hag keeping Maguire United captain was all over the media. Mings being kept on as captain for would have been the same 

I disagree the NEW utd manager has kept faith with the existing captain.

An existing villa manager sticking with the existing captain - wouldnt  be news much  beyond this forum.

6 minutes ago, WooJung said:

There should be no guaranteed starters, that's the point of having a squad.

Agreed. But also the point of the squad is to select your best 11. 

Remains to be seen if TM is seem (in Stevie s) opinion as one of the best 11 players at the club. My feeling is he doesn't.

Just now, Vive_La_Villa said:

If this is true he’s probably been told he can leave if he wishes too.

It's only my opinion.

If Ming's stays and retains his place and performances from him improve* - then Kudos to Stevie G.

* Not that I thought his performances were poor last season. 

1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

If he wanted to leave because he is no longer captain then what would that say about his character? 

Thankfully I think he is bigger than that.

Would say to me that another club appreciate him more.

If we were winning trophies and fighting for Europe yeah fair enough - but we are most likely going to mid table.

Gerrard has brought in 2 CBS now.

If I was TM - I'd say "fine Stevie - you don't rate me - I will find a manager who does" 

3 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said:

I don’t have any issue with this, I think it takes much needed pressure off Mings. He’s still going to be as vocal as ever but he does need to focus on his game more and this will help it.

But why do it in full glare of the national media and have it rumbling on all over summer ?

1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Gerrards comments about Mings focusing on his own game are telling. I think we can all agree this is what he needs to do in terms of concentration and decision making.

Or find another club.

That's what I would be doing if I were TM right now.

Wouldn't surprise me if he moves on now.

Hes great because he is a member of the villa family and has been embraced by us all.

1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I mean in terms of calling it a farce or criticising it. Yes Gerrard mentioned it and of course fans can speculate. But I don’t get why they are bothered about the whole thing ? The players don’t seem to be.

Feels like nit picking mate.

I said Minor Farce.

Fully agree its not a big issue - but as this level of elite football marginal gains matter. IMO the instant pre season starts you want as few variables as possible. Everyone can start working knowing who the captain is. 

I remember Graham Taylor saying about pre season. Everything was set up to a granular level. Who gets the cones out, who gives out the bibs, who the captain is, who takes the penalties, etc. It was all part of his famous 'Shambles Speech' 

47 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

The way I see it is it’s that fans that are making a big deal of the whole captaincy thing. Not Gerrard or the club. 

Really ?

It was Gerrard who through the whole captaincy debate up in the air when he announced that it wouldn't necessarily be TM next season 

The fans have merely speculated who it might be. Like we would if we were after a new striker, goalkeeper, coach, stadium.

Don't think you can pin this one on the fans. Any club would speculate the same.

2 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said:

So far he has avoided the Houillier & Bruce mistakes (fawning over Liverpool / insulting fans intelligence respectively). I have high hopes he will keep his cool. But you are spot on. Its all about results now.

I do want to mention though he has already delivered in some areas. We are a still premier league club, that was not clear when Dean got sacked. We have brought in (and retained) several top players who have said he was a massive factor in them wanting to be here.
 

Yep everything is in place. It's very much over to him now.

He knows and has pretty much said that.