slowandlow

8 hours ago, Genie said:

Not really way off.

I think the point is he sustained a very high level over many years.

Only a 50-67% over exaggeration in your original comment.

Maybe it's this kind of exaggeration that contributes to others feeling hes over rated?

28 minutes ago, Genie said:

I think you can be top class for a decade and incredible for around 15. Either side of him being one of the best wide midfield players and set piece takers in the world he was still extremely good. I.e.:

2/3 years very good

~10 years one of the best

2/3 years very good.

I just cant get my head round how you can possibly apply the above timeframes to Beckham career tbh.

10 years (11 at a push) encapsulates his entire meaningful career. 

Theres no 2/3 year build up, 10 years at the top 2/3 year gradual decline in his career at all.

More like a couple year build up 5ish years at peak then a dive before a slight recovery, followed by (effectively) early retirement 

Your timeframes are way off

8 minutes ago, Genie said:

Hmmm not sure about that.

One of the best players in his position 96-03 by your admission

Ahead of that he was part of the class of ‘92. Won the title and FA cup with United.

Then in 2003 joined Real Madrid’s star studded team winning the league and a cup. 
England player of the year 2003

Uefa player of the year 2003

Real Madrid player of the year 2005/6 (squad contained Ronaldo, Raul, van Nistelrooy, Ramos, Roberto Carlos...)

He was a top tier player right up until he went to the States where it becomes pretty much impossible to gauge him in the MLS.

So, there’s 10-12 years of being at the top of his game and one of the best wide players and set piece takers ever. After that it gets a bit sketchy due to MLS and Milan/PSG cameos (where he still looked good). 

 

 

So the class of 92 factors into being incredible for 15 years lol

At absolute best you can claim 10 years as top class, which is significantly less then 15 years of incredible. Hence the massive exaggeration statement.

1 league title in 4 years at Real against a good but not ridiculous Barca is nothing to write home about. Nowhere near in champions league either. 

Bounced back in 2007 a fair bit granted but he, along with the rest of the galacticos, were performing below top level and below their reputation for a decent part of the mid noughties (especially 2005/6 when you say he won player of the year)

11 hours ago, Genie said:

His rating may have exceeded his ability as he was the most famous player on the planet, but I’m not having most over rated ever. He was incredible over 15+ years.

Theres so many other players who were hyped up for nothing.

Massive exaggeration. 

He was one of the better players in his position for 5-6 years from about 96/97 ish to about 2003ish at a push

After that football was a sideshow, especially after 2007, irrespective of turning up at milan etc for a couple of months in his latter yeats

16 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

Hmm. I would wonder whether having potentially millions of people phoning GPs' surgeries on the off-chance they might be able to jump the queue is the best use of their resources. 

I agree with you. Seems a bit haphazard.

Seems to be pot luck tbh. If you get tipped off at the right time or phone up on the off chance and get lucky you seem to be able to get the vaccine irrespective of the various levels/cohorts 

12th-14th more likely particularly if grealish misses a few games

Would be a shame after how the season has panned out so far

2 hours ago, rjw63 said:

Just another reason why, if it were up to me, I'd never sell, loan or give these words removed any of our players. 

However shit they seem.

100% this

They'd have gone last year without Hogans run of goals and i fear it'll be the same again this year

You can rent in harborne for that sort on that sort of budget 

I'm not convinced rotherham or Coventry have enough about them but fingers crossed

Wimbledon often seemed to attract worst crowd of the season. Hardly anyone travelled. And although we won that game convincingly and I think were on a decent run at that point, generally we were pretty awful that season and nearly got relegated

Attendances seemed to really recover post euro  96

Manc 2008 was a quality day out one of the best I've ever had for footy absolutely barmy 

Think the authorities completely underestimated the scale of supporters who were willing to travel 

Losing in the playoffs with the squad at his disposal was a failure of a season

Hes shite and a thug to boot. But I suppose it's all relative and that qualifies him for legendary status for the noses 

Now I have no doubt they are and were both noses. Why they felt the need to pretend to be villa fans I have no idea, other than being thick as pig shit.

21 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

I'm not sure they ever did you know, Gary talked about being on the Holte watching a game but didn't say he was a Villa fan. People assumed and he let them. They were always noses.

Craig: “I signed for Villa when I was 15 and since then these have been the best days of my life. I’m a Villa fan.

from https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/mat-kendrick-craig-gardner-boyhood-3934198.amp

20 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

I'm not sure they ever did you know, Gary talked about being on the Holte watching a game but didn't say he was a Villa fan. People assumed and he let them. They were always noses.

Gary: "It’s a big thing for me as a Villa fan"

from 

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/10/26/gardner-derby-excitement

18 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

I'm not sure they ever did you know, Gary talked about being on the Holte watching a game but didn't say he was a Villa fan. People assumed and he let them. They were always noses.

There are direct quotes from both I'll dig them out

4 hours ago, S-Platt said:

I am pretty sure his debut was away to the great unwashed at the temple of doom 1st Leg of The League Cup.  Came on to replace the injured Nigel Spink and promptly saved a penalty from John Frain.   We won 1-0 Richardson with the goal I think.   My memory could be playing tricks though!

Fairly sure he played a fair few times the previous season but was displaced by Spink at start of 93/94. So the blues game might have been in his first appearance that season but not his debut 

And both openly stated they were villa fans even though they evidently were noses.

Thick as shit.

His kicking was piss poor

Still comfortably the best goalie I've seen playing for us though (c. 1991 onwards)

17 hours ago, DaveAV1 said:

I think you’re right and a quick google reveals that Gary Charles left in 1999 and Mark Delaney joined us in the same year. So that pretty much confirms you’re right. 

We signed Nelson (after Charles broke his leg I think?) then Watson to replace Charles but both were fairly rubbish so Delaney was plucked from relative obscurity. Best of the bunch.

I'm a bit worried the PL will see us putting a team out for a cup game and expect the same for PL games

I know they're different competitions and there is precedent for league games to be cancelled but the schedule is getting increasingly tight. At some point they're going  to have to start enforcing their original rules unless the season is delayed in totality.

On 24/12/2020 at 19:04, omariqy said:

Talking off air with Dwight it was clear to see that the Blues move was a low point in his career as he saw it. He also said he meant Blues were bigger within Birmingham than Villa - reckon that was just to get onside with the fans. 

So hes still defending the blues > villa nonsense? Cretin.

Any statement that blues are bigger than villa is utter bollox unless the geographical area you're talking about is a narrow strip going east along the A45.

there was a game last season at VP (maybe brighton at home) where we equalised, it was chalked off through VAR, then we scored shortly afterwards anyway (not chalked off)

the celebration for the 'second' equaliser was muted - in my view because of the recent experience of VAR. So i think it can definitely have a wider impact on the extent to which a goal is celebrated.

and i'll be honest there is always something ticking around the back of my mind whenever we score now. It was easy to glance over to see if the lino had his flag up before, now i'm to some extent on edge about whether the goal will stand until play has resumed. Might say more about me and my personality than anything else, but out of the lads i go with its a fairly common position.