dundeevilla

What a shockingly amateurish and stupid thing to do.

Just about as daft as his line about making us as big as Real and Barca.

Who is advising this man?

I'm worried about this fella. Something doesn't feel right, he acts like a clown and we've seen no evidence of his supposed billions.

Lerner has not been good for Aston Villa.

We can perhaps put it down to naive enthusiasm when he first took over, but he lost all financial control.

The club is still paying for that now, and as a result we have one of the thinnest squads in the league and relegation is a distinct possibility this season. Relegation would be a disaster for the football club. If we carry on down this road our uck will run out and we will be relegated.

Bad business decisions cost us. His 'Five year Plan' never survived beyond the third year. It failed. The buck stops with him.

Also the utterly bizarre decision to give Alex McLeish the manager's job should on its own be enough evidence for anyone that this is not the man to take us forward. That was simply insane.

It wasn't just the awful tackle. His whole performance was that of a circus clown who, for some reason, found himself on a football pitch playing in front of 50,000 people in a dark blue jersey.

Truly terrible player.

For example, read the chapter on Kelly in David Aaronovitch's book 'Voodoo Histories'. He deconstructs the murder conspiracy theory pretty devastatingly.

I imagine there are some less one-eyed commentators around, but just now, none come to mind. He's a polemicist, and good at what he does, but not a source of independent and objective judgement. In my biased opinion...

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Well read it and see what you think. One thing that conspiracy theories never are is objective, so it's a score draw in that respect.

My point really was that it's not 'obvious' that Kelly was murdered, and that a strong case can be made that he simply committed suicide. His family seem satisfied that's what happened.

There's no conspiracy about Dr David Kelly. It's pretty bleedin' obvious that it was a covered up murder. They didn't even bother trying to cover up half of the evidence that didn't fit with the coroners first report.

It's not bleedin' obvious at all.

For example, read the chapter on Kelly in David Aaronovitch's book 'Voodoo Histories'. He deconstructs the murder conspiracy theory pretty devastatingly.

Almost without exception, when you begin to look at the evidence, conspiracy theories - theories which are more complex than the conventional explanations - evaporate. Occam's Razor rules.

I dunno if any of you guys watched the Scotland match on Saturday but Hutton was an abomination yet again.

Should have been sent off for a two-footed lunge in the first half.

Whenever Serbia attacked, their players waltzed past him like he wasn't there.

He's a thug who must never play for Villa again.

Well, I received my Riva 510 starter kit and a couple of e-liquids on Saturday while I was at the West Ham game. Charged and built it Sunday morning, and gave it a try. Haven't had a fag since. Wasn't actually intending to give up straight away, and have about 30 cigarettes sitting on my shelf, but I no longer particularly want them. Now on day two, no cravings, no moods, and happily vaping away on my new bit of kit. Ace.

Great bit of kit, enjoy! And congratulations on kicking the evil weed.

I've got a Riva 510 using refillable Boge cartomisers.

Not had a fag in almost a year, these things are fantastic and a lot lot cheaper than cigs.

I would recommend them to anyone. One of the best things I've ever bought.

We're short on quality. Expect us to finish 9th-11th.

First year of a major rebuild so we'll all need patience I guess.

DUNDEE!!!!!

I hope the SPL clubs do vote no. However, would they just run with an 11 team league next season and have one extra promotion spot available?

Either Dundee (Div 1 runners-up) or Dunfermline (relegated) will take the 12th spot.

Most agree up here that it'll be Dundee that are invited to take the spot.

I know very little about the SPL but will it not lose money without Rangers? I would have thought it'd be in the leagues interest to put aside their dislike and keep Rangers there. Having said that, I can understand the other clubs are unhappy about Rangers' financial operations over the last few years.

Fans of the other clubs have made it very clear they will vote with their feet if 'The Rangers' are ushered back in with a slapped wrist. If that happened the SPL would have about as much sporting integrity as WWE wrestling.

Reports up here are that some SPL clubs have only sold a few hundred seasons tickets, as fans wait to see the outcome of the Zombie vote before they decide whether to renew or not.

SPL chairman do have a dilemma - no visits from 'The Rangers' and the resulting financial loss - or voting in the Zombies and driving their own fans away from their clubs, fans they can ill-afford to lose.

Sky's assurance today that their SPL contract will remain should provide them with some assurance.

I just hope they have the backbone to do the right thing. If they don't Scottish football really is dead.

I have it on good authority (from a senior board member at an SPL club) that the SPL chairmen have already spoken informally about whether they should let 'The Rangers' into the top flight, and the outcome of those discussion was that it will be a resounding 'no' vote.

'The Rangers' need an 8-4 vote in favour to get into the SPL. At the moment they are nowhere near gaining that amount of support, according to my source.

'The Rangers' will then have to apply to the SFL to enter Div 3. The outcome of that vote is also not a foregone conclusion.

Hopefully this shitstain on Scottish society and its Zombie version will be dead and buried by August.

Either Martinez or Lambert will be great by me.

Both have qualities that are exactly what our club needs right now.

Most importantly either one will unify the club from top to bottom if appointed.

YESSSS!!!!!

That is all.

#1 His nationality (sorry to all the poeple of Scotland), I would not trust a letter from an Nigerian Doctor who just inherited money and a would not trust a Scottish manager.

Ferguson?

Moyes?

Shankly?

Busby?

Stein?

Yep if there's one thing Scotland is shit at, it's producing good football managers. :shock:

Let's be honest, if we do go down (and I think it is still a real possibility) then it will be deserved. We have comfortably been the worst team to watch in the division this season.

Some of the performances have defied belief. It still defies belief that McLeish was given the job.

A tragic state of affairs.

just because it doesnt match your opinion it doesnt mean they are idiots :?

Some opinions are plain wrong. Some opinions are idiotic, especially when they fly in the face of all the actual available evidence and appear to be based on nothing more than blind prejudice.

Ticketless fans and drunkenness are complete and utter red herrings, that happens at every single "Big" match. What doesn't happen at every game is the following:-

The Police opening the huge gates that only usually open at the end of a match to let people out, allowing everyone in with or without a ticket, all at once causing a stampede. The Police were to blame here

A ground that is so badly designed (at the leppings lane end at least) that it makes a crush in such circumstances almost inevitable. The Entrance at street level was above the terrace, back filling terraces are bad especially with no side vent to relieve pressure, allied to that three entrances funnel all the supporters into three rather dangerous channels of crushing, especially in the circumstances of the first point. The stadium design was inherantly unsafe at that end of the ground and for that Sheffield Council were to blame to an extent for granting safety certificates

Holding the game at Hillsborough in the first place was idiotic and lax, purely from a geographical access point of view, for Liverpool fans to access the ground they had to drive to Stockport and down the snake pass (you may have heard of it, its even to this day a bloody dangerous road). You put thousands of extra people on this road and they will be late. There will be huge delays, lots of those people outside the ground, had tickets and were totally sober, they'd only just got there because the FA had chosen a frankly ridiculous venue. How could they have known you might ask? Well look in the record books, the previous year was the exact same fixture with the same teams and I went and all this nearly happened the year before. Anyone who went the previous year will have been aware of the danger, I was there the previous year and was acutely aware of it, we arrived late despite setting off with the intention of a couple of hours in a pub before the game, we only just got there in time. This was a ticking time bomb, could have been any big team from the north west in a big fixture, it just happened to be Liverpool. The FA should never have put the fixture there the next year, only idiots would have done that. The FA are culpable in this aspect.

But what did we have in the papers the next day? Scousers piss on the dead (this never happened) and plenty of other vitriol based on complete and utter fabrication but because it was Liverpool, a city at the time run by Militant and the crook Hatton and therefore the target of much abuse from the tabloids AND the government alike and the general public lapped up this tabloid fever they always do and to this day it has clouded the judgement of many

As blandy says, that could have been us or any other set of fans. Take the word Liverpool out of the story and the read the actual facts of the incident, many of you would have been appalled at what happened, instead of falling for the "it's the scousers own fault" line, especially those of you who weren't even old enough to remember it or the political climate at the time.

I agree with this.

I cannot believe some of the prejudiced, ignorant and frankly idiotic bile I've read in this thread, written by fellow Villa fans.

Some of you need to educate yourselves about what happened that day.

Pint of milk before bed is a failsafe way to keep the pain at bay.

No, he's simply gotta go.

Many performances this season have been seriously alarming. It's like watching 11 blokes run around a field who have never met before. Hell, they don't even look like they've played football before.

Some of the worst performances I have ever witnessed by any football team anywhere (To put that into context, I watch Scottish football as well!).

Wahey! Horrible horrible club.

We are an abject nonsense under McLeish.

One of the finest Scottish players of his generation......

Yes, that bad.

Great idea from the club, deserve to be commended for this.