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Just now, picicata said:

**** Harrod's what? 

I think some tweet further up was suggesting he was moving clubs but his missus was in Harrods.

I agree with others it's odd we terminate Nyland on Deadline Day. In Europe can they sign players after this deadline? If not, hopefully it means he has a club lined up. Otherwise, maybe we are bringing in Mbappe!

Hopefully there won't be an overreaction. Second XI, a few no hopers confirmed they are no hopers, we had most of the attacking intent overall despite an old RB at CB and players like Lansbury in the starting lineup. Shame we didn't have some other decent youth knocking about.

Steer - Decent

Guilbert - Poor

Hause - Poor - not up to scratch

Elmo - Strange him playing CB anyway

Taylor - Decent

Nakamba - Quiet, Decent retention

Lansbury - Dire

Ramsey - Tidy

El Ghazi - Pathetic crossing, decent energy.

Traore - Poor showing, looks better when dropping deeper and a bit more centrally

Davis - Not up to his recent standards

Jota - Right sort of game for him, looked ok (for a squad player)

Watkins - By the time he came in we were just lumping jt

Konsa - Good to see him trying to manage the defence, in hindsight would have been good for him to have started as captain today and play the Mings role.

All I can think is that he has some appearance based bonus over his head (to his former club). Wouldn’t be the first player with one to mysteriously disappear.

8 minutes ago, Xela said:

It certainly is odd that no team has taken a chance on him. I'm sure a deal could be agreed with Brentford, like we did with Watkins, but no one has taken the risk. 

Makes you wonder why? 

think it's as simple as Brentford over-valuing him and there being >2 weeks left for PL-EFL transfers.

For their sake might be a Grealish situation where they can genuinely hold out for their price or he stays.

1 minute ago, avfcDJ said:

He’s been really poor since the opening 

I think he’s been fantastic.

his driving runs and defensive cover have been superb.

Just now, avfcDJ said:

He’s been really poor since the opening 

I think he’s been fantastic.

his driving runs and defensive cover have been superb.

Grealish and Hourihane off for Traore and Ramsey for me

Maybe Davis on last 10 mins too. 

Not complaining - as our spending is ambitious, circumstances dictate things and it’s not my money but...

Barca apparently about to take Max Aarons for Loan w/ Commitment to buy for £20m shows yet again that there is value in the market. Mostly at the top end strangely. Couple this with Liverpool’s signing of Tsimikas for £11m. Makes Cash for £16m seem worse.

We are in a very frustrating ‘phase’ to have money. It’s an age old dilemma that before we got relegated Fulham, West Ham, WBA and others were perpetually in. Spending inflated fees on the best players that are attracted to a club that has a risk of relegation and very minor ‘unique’ propositions. 

14 minutes ago, JPAngel said:

Unless his old man is full of bluster, it doesn't look like he's off anywhere soon.

Link here.

Yep, read the same and was about to post. Seems too specific to be bluster. Samatta is holding out for something that won’t happen. Just hope our coaches have a few ideas.

Some slightly positive news I have consoled myself with on this one is a PhysioRoom article which uses Ruud Van Nistelrooy and Alan Shearer as examples who fully overcame the injury having picked it up at similarly young ages.

Having read around ACL injuries, I'm happy we aren't rushing him back within 12 months. He stands the best possible chance of a full recovery by doing so.

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Of the players that returned, return occurred at an average of 12.2 months after surgery.

85% of players who did return eventually got back to the same or higher level of football.

12% of players underwent a second ACL surgery. 75% of the second ACL procedures were performed on the athlete’s opposite, or contralateral, knee.

Athletes who tore their non-dominant leg’s ACL in the first injury were much more likely than those who injured their dominant leg to require ACL reconstruction of the contralateral leg in the future.

Looking at his goal scoring stats prior to joining us, even if it’s proven a good idea to sell him, I think he was very much worth the ‘punt’.

he clearly doesn’t fit tactically, culturally or whatever. So moving on might be the right idea. I really hope it’s not to a rival though - just in case.

Anyone categorically writing him off after 14 (mostly strange) games has a very short memory. I think many top players would have struggled with the situation he was thrown into.

Scored another beauty for Cov last night. 

Their fans are completely shocked we let him go, many thinking he could play almost anywhere in the Champ - and is getting better.

i just hope in years to come we progress so much this is not a regret. 

Not nice to think about but genuinely curious. Does anyone know how insurance works in professional football?

We will have had some sort of cover for Wes, but does that just cover career ending? i.e. if he had to retire due to it, the insurance would pay his remaining contract.

Is there any possibility that insurance will have covered some of his wages whilst out and therefore be the reason we have funds to chase another forward?

I also am genuinely gutted. I hope he is mentally strong. It must be tough for him watching Luiz flourish, with them both having joined at the same time, Luiz getting another call-up for Brazil when they were both called up before his injury. 

BT would IMO be the perfect loan with option to buy at 17m signing. Would cost us a loan fee but would be win-win. Especially if Lyon need him off the wage bill if he’s so out of form.

I am just clinging on to the hope that 90% of all of the rumours we’re reading are just tabloid nonsense.

We just seem to be doing a trolley dash of ‘obvious’ overinflated English players having done no prep on the face of it.

Rumours of Spurs being in for Watkins, Arsenal in for Edouard and now even backup Wilson preferring Newcastle is worrying. If we ‘beat’ West Brom to Ivan Toney for £16-18m we should officially just stop spending and just pray to stay up again with what we have. Probably losing losing Grealish in Jan as a result.

31 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

How do we know he would turn us down? He might not even be interesting in coming here anyway.

I wouldn't be disappointed in the slightest, nor would I read one bit into it if he went to Newcastle. 

Doesn't mean we should panic in the assumption that we can't sign anyone  better.

Agree it could be anything

- we don’t want to break our wage structure for him

- couldn’t persuade him we’d develop him technically (probably less importance given his age)

- couldn’t guarantee Jack will be around

Wages seems the most likely. Wilson is 100% not worth breaking wage structure for and In the process harming team morale. imagine trying to explain to Grealish, Mings, McGinn, Luiz that Wilson is worth 80/90k/week and they’re worth 30-60k/week. 

Based on nothing more than the trend of links that seem to be sticking ... we have been completely let down by the previous scouting team.

I’m keeping my fingers crossed we pull off some good ‘Unknown’s’ but if we do have £100m to spend - again, and if that money is solely spent on players any armchair fan has watched in the bottom of the PL or Championship, then we will regret this window for a considerable time I’m certain. The days of utter bargains in the Championship (used by Everton and Spurs in the last) are over.

Look at any team that has built a new sustainable team from a low basis. There’s always been clever clever value signings from Holland, France, Portugal, Germany etc. - not household names but not complete unknowns either. Wilfred Bouma type signings!

Pires another one.

We’re all guessing at values though - as are the papers. 

There’s been nothing to really calibrate against as the main spenders are Chelsea - on another planet!

Diangana to Boggies for £12-14 building up to £18-20 with a 20% sell-on is sticking and might be used as a yardstick for some other deals.

by that measure Behrahama for £20m + some small add-ons doesn’t sound ridiculous.

soithgate said it in the press conference I watched

doesnt sound like too much though. It was picked up in our friendly and he turned up with a niggle that limited his involvement in initial training. 

Probably rules him out of Iceland but might make the 2nd game by the sounds of it so should be ok for us too.

He looked fine in all the England videos so can’t be that bad 

Maybe we could be inventive with the deal

like a loan with triggers for us to make it mandatory.

skewed in our favour for the situation where Heaton does actually fully recover. Man I could recall mid season (they might fancy this if they get an injury to #1 or 2)

1 minute ago, Sam-AVFC said:

'With merely 5 drop outs due to an unprecedented global pandemic you too could sit on the bench for England'

Point being Mings was nowhere near a call up previously.

it reflects well on our coaching, approach etc. It’s something to sell in a market with few marginal selling points.

Reading a Bournemouth forum has reassured me on this one.

It’s reassured me that’s at season was the anomoly. He was apparently put out at not getting a big move at the start of the season. It sounds like a lot of wheels game off last season behind the scenes. Not saying this is great news for us, but it happens, players lose motivation and maybe we can offer him a different challenge.

The fact that Mings and Grealish are currently away with England must look good on us for players on the fringes. 

3 minutes ago, John said:

Plenty of speculation about Brentford players moving and of the relegated clubs, of players potentially leaving Watford and Bournemouth, but very little about possible departures from Norwich. They were the club rumoured to be looking for the most realistic prices (£20m) for players like Cantwell and Buendia. I wonder why there hasn't been many links? I would take either myself, particularly the latter. Today or any day soon, would be a  "good day" to sign him, in my opinion! 

My take with Norwich Is that they 'planned' for going down. They pocketed the PL cash to pay off some debt and are in a pretty stable position.

It only suprises me that the lack of ambition didn't lead to some of their better players trying to creep towards the exit, but that might happen in January if they aren't secure top 2.