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5 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

 

" As bad as some here " ?

Half these people have no clue what they are talking about, or how to even evaluate a set piece coach.

It's just another one of those bizarre scapegoat type threads which only ever gets bumped after a loss.

I've never seen it bumped when a set piece routine has come off brilliantly etc.

It’s a genuine concern, two teams conceded less than us from set pieces last season and were the joint worst already this season with three. The term scapegoat gets thrown around too often on here 

Is he still involved? If so he must be partly responsible for my stomach nearly falling out my arse every time we concede a set piece near our goal

30 minutes ago, Oaks said:

I will say it quietly, but we didn't have the same issues when Dendonker played at home vs the 2 uniteds. 

United don’t play like Liverpool  and Newcastle 

It was 4 vs 2 at times for Doug and kamara, need a better set up against better teams. 

5 minutes ago, tinker said:

Only one of these pictures led to a goal, they were caught offside multiple times, if you sit deeper then the opposition will just push further up and threaten our goal with crosses, which led to 2 goals. This is the Martin O' Neil way, sit deep, defend then hit them on the break, it doesn't wash in today's game. 

Emery has a system that involves a high line, its been more successful than not, yet people still question his system, thats working when you look at the facts.

We have an all new center of defence who have a handful of games between them and have been brought into play the highline system. You don't throw it all away and start again, you let the new players learn the system and then judge it from there. 

I suppose its the nature of the interweb for everyman and his dog to see the obvious errors in something and then point it out,........1 goal led from a ball over the top and it was an own goal in the end, lucky for them. 

We have the players and quality to beat the majority of the teams in the league that’s why. So Eddie Howe now klopp have exposed an issue we have in our set up. Let’s just give the best teams in the league the freedom of their own half and hope we catch them off side. Lucky for them or lucky from us, would that have been your mentality if it was 5/6-0 yesterday?  So we’re not allowed to point out obvious errors in our set up now, because Emery? 
I’ve never mentioned throwing the high line away, when it works it works well. Going to anfield or st James park and playing passively hoping we’re going to score a few well worked goals because we have players with quality on the ball I have a problem with. There’s a pressing intensity missing which the best teams have. 

1st pic- Liverpools centre backs pass it around, we pull back into the narrow shape, give Trent ages on the ball and he plays it over the top and salahs through on goal. Why are we doing it and why haven’t we learnt from the Newcastle game. 
2nd pic- Trent and macallister (who’s in between 3 of our players) pass the ball back and forth 4 times to each other , Salah makes a run trent plays it over and it’s the cash OG.

Again I’m calling Emery naive if he thinks we’re going to turn up to anfield, give them all the time in the world and allow one of the best passers in the world the time and space we gave trent yesterday. 
 

3rd and 4th pic- the play starts back at Allison, once they play the ball to their central defender we start running backwards again, one pass and we’re open on the counter. It’s insane to watch 

3 minutes ago, DJBOB said:

It really is hard to tell what could’ve been if Newcastle and Liverpool didn’t score in the 6th and 2nd minute respectively. It’s such a different game state when that happens. 
 
To be fair, we have done this to several teams. First goal usually wins. 

It’s not really, allow these teams all the time in the world to ping balls over you and you’re going to get caught soon enough, against quality teams multiple times. 

 Great take, account worth following too. 

Considering he’s just left his home country for the first time, been in England for about two months, performed well in league games already as well as coasting the qualifiers, that performance today isn’t going to worsen my opinion of him. 

4 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said:

In retrospect the Manager cannot legislate for s*** decisions...

Never noticed at the time but Salah was in an offside position and most definitely interfering with the view of Martinez; if Villa had scored that goal today VAR would have ruled it out. Hence, two minutes in and the game was lost.

What can Emery do in that situation, he's powerless.

If the games lost at 1-0 down 2 minutes in then the game was never ours to win. Set us up better against teams like these so that we’re not complaining about shit decisions after. Emery made his own shit decision bringing on bailey too

3 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

Maybe thats the problem? Play to archers strengths ans we may have had a top goal scorer on our hands

I’m sorry but you can’t change your game based on the off chance archer might have scored some goals. 

3 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said:

Not sure those three things can be simply pulled off the tangled pile and set aside on three neat little dishes. Bad luck and tactics and mental deflation and giving up all feed off each other. But we can't give up. Even neutrals said we capitulated after the Salah goal. That's 90% on the players.

Of course it’s more than just that but we’ve got a great example against Newcastle to compare

8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

I agree. The press was non existent not sure why we gave them so much space and time. Thats a no no at anfield

This is an ongoing issue and has been for a while, I’ve seen countless Twitter analytics pointing it out and I’ve posted plenty of it, it’s not an effort issue or a bad day at the office issue it’s a tactics issue. 

4 hours ago, Rightdm00 said:

Desperately need someone to fill the energy Buendia brought in the press. Trent in the first half had all the time in the world. 

The big problem is when teams get the ball we pull back into shape and allow them all the time in the world

17 minutes ago, thunderball said:

Just not true

How so? What was the difference between this set up and the newcastle set up?

15 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

I disagree. The players were pooe and just gave up. That mental fragile mentality is slowly creeping back in. It looks to me like we are lacking leadership on the pitch which for me is a massive worry

And just to add did we give up against Newcastle too then? What takes the blame for that result? We played the exact same way and they put 5 past us. For all the praise I’ll give Emery when its clear our tactics caused us problems it needs to be called out too 

14 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

I disagree. The players were pooe and just gave up. That mental fragile mentality is slowly creeping back in. It looks to me like we are lacking leadership on the pitch which for me is a massive worry

Poor or set up to sit deep, allow Liverpool time on the ball with superior players and just out played. Hard work starts from pressing higher up the pitch which we seem reluctant to do, and any quality teams going to benefit playing against it. 

3 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

So Unai is naive you mean

 

Naive to think we could go out and play the same way we did against Newcastle yes. That’s how he set us up

4 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

I don't think so, most of the players were poor today, couldn't even see anything from Watkins or McGinn. 

The system works, but if the players don't work hard, like today, it fails.

You can’t allow sit back against Liverpool and allow them to play through us though, we did the same against Newcastle and the exact same thing happened. The system works against lesser opposition, I said after Newcastle we’re naive if we think we can play against the better teams in the league like that and it’s been proven again 

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

Feel massively sorry for unai. The players shamed him today with that diabolical performance. 

Emerys responsible for the majority of that performance, didn’t learn from Newcastle. Hopefully that’s the last time 

Just now, M_Afro said:

Liverpool are better than us, they were at home, they scored early with a controversial goal and then we lost a key, physical player to injury. I’m not sure who some of you think we are and what our real position in the food chain is. Some people need to grow up and get a grip. 
We are on an upward trajectory. There are still probably 8 teams in this league who have a better squad than us. We have an elite manager who is intent on bridging that gap but it won’t happen overnight. We need to get behind the team and the players and help to make that happen.

You sound like Gerrard. 

1 minute ago, Aston_Villan4 said:

Think it’s pretty clear this team is figuring itself out, especially defensively. Can’t use this excuse forever but there will clearly be growing pains like this for awhile with the injuries we’ve picked up. 

That set up against teams with the quality of Newcastle and Liverpool is suicide, Emery needs to fix that. 

Incredibly naive from Emery, Newcastle 2.0. 

The dog that got the custard