lee_av

thats the point Lee, if nothing was happening then I think it would clear o the question is what is Ellis asking/waiting for that is delaying it ?

Who knows Ian, we have to be a little more patient - but I'm not gonna blame him for the collapse yet , if it really is not all down to him at the end of the day.

so why not just kill the deal, why allow all the speculation if he just wanted to sty and before you say AGM and transfer window remember in the previous years he did not give a **** !!

So wouldn't that indicate that there is something happening?

Why, because it has taken so long is this all down to Ellis. Why do we hanker onto every slip from the so-called takeover. Why are we believing so much subjecture, when nothing is clear at the moment and negotiations are ongoing. Why do we blame Ellis for not talking to a Russian that he may have never met, had any intention of meeting or said Russian already decided where he wanted to put his dough?

All this is the next episode of SOAP!

Lee_AV wrote:

spoke to Robo, in the flesh yesterday reagrding the takeover - so no shrug of the shoulders attitude there , and he mentioned something to me, that if proved true would show that Ellis is a knob. But until the Comers or Neville come out and state that the reason that the deal broke down, was due to the Ellis' intransigence, then I will reserve judgement and not come on here to have a pop at Ellis, because the Mrs has burnt the Toast.

Why not? This is a forum, an informal chat if you like, where rumours are the order of the day. Please spill the beans, as this story is rapidly becoming the most boring in our history! It needs some gossip to liven it up.

PM Ianrobo1 - it's his swoop not mine.

As for opnions, I agree - but look at some of the posts in this and other threads which are largely based on subjecture on a situation that we know vwery little about at the moment and based on hatred of the Octegenarian.

Agree totally Lee_AV, what you say is right, I find it really sad that I have lost most of my interest in AVFC. I would love the takeover, but dont expect it, so I do have a "such is life" attitude. I enjoy it when we win, and dislike it when we lose, but I am no longer in seventh heaven when we win, and kicking the cat when we lose. I'm resigned to mediocrity until Ellis dies, which due to the lifespan of humans cannot be that long.

He may not have to die for us to be rid - sit tight.

Wurzel, there is no rumour or anything but it is well known that before the Comer's were even on the scene that other people were interested in the club and it seems to me and others that maybe ellis is holding out for someone else who might either a) get him a better deal in money or somehow keep him in power.

There is, you and others are commenting on it.

lee your last pont belongs in nother thread but what is outr average position under Ellis in the PL is it 8th ?

That is a massive underperformance for a club who can attract 35,000 + averages when we don't do that well and that is all down to Ellis and above all that is the one and ONLY reason he should go, the pother reasons are jut fluff compared to that one.

It is an underperformance considering the positions that we have been in, but this has been characteristic of Villa's Post War history - not just the Ellis Years. The 35000 averages - I remember the 22000 averages and - please correct me if I'm wrong, the Championship winning Team average is not as high as that.

When he has gone I sincerely hop that we fill the ground every week - are in Europe every year and have funds available to support the manager. But it is not all balck and white, and the next few years could be very interesting.

Lee_AV wrote:

spoke to Robo, in the flesh yesterday reagrding the takeover - so no shrug of the shoulders attitude there , and he mentioned something to me, that if proved true would show that Ellis is a knob. But until the Comers or Neville come out and state that the reason that the deal broke down, was due to the Ellis' intransigence, then I will reserve judgement and not come on here to have a pop at Ellis, because the Mrs has burnt the Toast.

Why not? This is a forum, an informal chat if you like, where rumours are the order of the day. Please spill the beans, as this story is rapidly becoming the most boring in our history! It needs some gossip to liven it up.

PM Ianrobo1 - it's his swoop not mine.

As for opnions, I agree - but look at some of the posts in this and other threads which are largely based on subjecture on a situation that we know vwery little about at the moment and based on hatred of the Octegenarian.

I can mention at least 12 teams bove us all of them apart from an obvious 4 teams have not had any kind of constant 'success' yet still have mbitions to be top 6, what do we have, a club and a set of fans obviously happy for 'stability'.

Again when Ellis states his legacy is a so called stable club, which can not afford a loan signing nor a new pitch , then the majority of fans get the club they deserve.

Are the old - "you get what you deserve" comeback. we know that we have underpeformed over the Premiership Years and if Ellis was not at the helm we could have been so much better, of that there is no doubt.

As for those 12 teams above us at the moment - under the current climate, shouldn't you address your immediate concerns to Davld O'Leary esq?

thing is Lee, that the standard excuse which you have just said along with John Lewrill about top 6 hardly being a decent benchmark does not hold water.

Was Chelsea a regular top 6 team, or Bolton, or Boro, or Spurs, or many teams.

We are a big big club and yet a portion of fans seem settled for the Ellis legacy of so called stabilty and mid table medricority and whilst tht is the case in modern football, the only way is down !!

Ian I have not settled for anything and the Chelsea example is flawed, along with Boro and Bolton.

Chelsea had a fair bit of success in the 90's and 00's and were nearly bankrupted by it, despite their position in West London and their amount of Real Estate. If Abramovich had not come a long and bailed them out when he did, then they may have been in the same position as your perrenial favourites Leeds. Proir to this they were shite club and had only a modicum of success since the post war years.

Boro - despite the squandered Millions - where are they now - for the amount that Gibson has spent, 1 league cup in their history. :shock:

Bolton at the moment are a one off, down to the talent of the Manager that they have - they are have been out of the top flight for long periods and this is a successful period for them.

Spurs - When started getting into footy - Spurs were one of the top 5 clubs in England and always have had that London Factor -

I suppose you are going to mention Arsenal next :winkold:

You see that's where we really differ Lee. I would rather it be tiresome and at least have an objective and even a bit of a hope of change than be someone who just accepts it all with a cest la vie attitude and then complains and moans when things dont go right. attitudes like that are why we still find ourselves in this position of perrenial underachievers. You claim to want Ellis out and then come on here with the shrug of the shoulders attitude, to me thats a conflict of beliefs.

It **** me off being a villa fan when I see shit on here and mostly on H&V (I wont even get started about that blog wank shite) about how we should just accept the drivel we get from the club. Still as you say if ellis goes then a few keyboards might get mothballed but then again as a fan maybe there will be better things to comment about

Drat - a lot of it is not objective, and to be fair who the feck are you to tell me what attitude I should have. I don't have a cest la vie attitude at all, I was making the point that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that you nor or I are party to. I spoke to Robo, in the flesh yesterday reagrding the takeover - so no shrug of the shoulders attitude there :winkold: , and he mentioned something to me, that if proved true would show that Ellis is a knob. But until the Comers or Neville come out and state that the reason that the deal broke down, was due to the Ellis' intransigence, then I will reserve judgement and not come on here to have a pop at Ellis, because the Mrs has burnt the Toast.

Which Blog Wank site is that - Rob's is an excellent one for updated material :winkold: As for mainly on H&V - I think that you should pop over there more often and debate your points - or is your absence down to a cest la vie attitude?

maybe but if Pompey is worth £60m then surely £64m with some land is actually a good deal, and the Comer's can make money easy within a year if they exploited outr assets correctly.

If they want our land for profits then simply someone lied to them, though myself and many others on here could have told them the truth for a small consultancy fee ....

Pompey £60M didn't the Ruski by half with £15M? Can someone get the calculator for Mr Robathan.

Listen I have no doubts that the club will not move as far forward under Ellis, than that of a more forward thinking board (stating the obvious yes). But all the quotes about Ellis being a cnut from people who don't know what the hell is going on (me included) is tiresome.

Top 6 - when have Aston Villa, post war constantly been a top 6 side pre Ellis or during his tenure. We know the potential of the club, and this has not been maximised - and Ellis is responsible for a good proportion of that, but, I get the impression that when he has gone, there could be a lot of keyboards in moth balls.

ellis needs to hurry up and get the **** out of here before the deal collapses. no doubt he is the one stalling.

Ant evidence for that no doubt?

Move along - there is still nothing to see here

The New Chairman of Avil - Dr Avil

Move along - nothing to see here just yet.

well I did say eh :wink:

If you say it enough times you are eventually going to get it right :roll:

Lee - it was christmas cracker humour mate

haven't we been through all this before?

I knew you were going to say that :-)

But he's right

Where's Trotsky? He'll be grinning on this one!

He worked nights last night.

Will do, PM me the address.

Its in my WWW bit below.

You can add mine if you like - mine is safe for work. :winkold:

It looks cool on the PS2 - will look even better on the Xbox.

Providing they bribg something to the table - it is a discussion board after all.

I'm very happy we got Baros over those 2

Ditto - although I rate Bellamy - he has too much baggage.

Laursen was great against the aerial bombardment that the Cb's were getting - especially in the second half. If he is on the pitch, then I trust him that he is.

Lee if as you say it is the latter, what has been the driving force behind this change in policy? The accounts of the club if some are to be believed show us to be in a healthy position, so if the funds were available why are they not now being accessed? The accusation about lies and mistrust will always prevail following this and while you would hope that this would be explained at the next AGM, I suspect that it wont.

10M spent net is that really "significant" given the monies we have spent previously and what was apparently available when we went for players such as Beattie? The club has on the surface again shown a lack of ambiton and the worry is that this will be reflected at some point in the future by the players wanting to leave as before. As said on other threads the perception of Villa out of all of this is not good and one that shows us to have small time thinking

My point is that I'm not a fool for believing Langhma that the money would be spent - and the club reiterated that the funds were available after he left - so why are we fools?

We had every reason this close season that money would be invested - as the club have commited to this in the public domain - I have said that if we don't spend then we have had a poor close season - but I will make that judgement after the Window closes.

I read in my paper, the Observer, what various clubs have spent so far. I'm sure it's not gospel, but there were, from memory, either 14 or 15 prem clubs who spent more than Villa so far. Of those who have spent less, Arsenal (genius Wenger) and Man City (totally skint) were two. Can't remember the other 2 or 3 clubs.

Anyway, to date our spend is insignificant.

Hopefully we will bring in at leat 2 more quality players, at the right age. Aaron Hughes was a good signing, as was Stuart Taylor. Kevin Phillips is an excellent buy for maybe a year or two, and Patrick Berger I'm unsure about, not because of quality, but because of miles on the clock.

If we sign Baros, and a couple of others, it will have been a good summer. Significant in a s much as it's what Villa needs to do.

If we don't.

"Insignificant" will be the best tag to describe a once significant club.

Thats a fair point Blandy and one that I agree with - however, I do take exception to someone calling me a fool for voting yes. (yes you Ahamaad - wtih the holier than thou attitude) I still think that the money will be spent circa £10M (hopefully).

If not then either we have been duped or there has been a serious change in policy since Langhams departure - If the money is not spent, then I believe that it is the latter, rather than the former.