Malachite

"1039: Gordon Brown and Lord Mandelson have just left Number 10 - destination unknown".

They're going for a hot steamy sauna and man sex, thing is you look at these guys and the last thing you could ever imagine is them having sex of any kind.

:shock: Not that i want to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think what Clegg will have to be very carefull about is how all this comes across, he cuddles up to Cameron, just how much of his principles will he drop, that's the question, if Clegg is seen to be a "sell out" is political career is over because the way the Tories will look within the next 6 months, utterly detested, and probably another General Election within 2 years, Clegg will be seen as someone that bends to get power.

All this talking i find strange, how long does it take to say David, 1) PR is a must, 2) this business about 6bl being taken out of the economy stops, 3) I simply must sleep with your wife, simples. there you go, end of throttled parliament sorry hung parliament, and a newly formed Lib Con pack led by the Cleggerons or the Camereggs

I Don't agree with the service bit really. There was a number of times the movement was poor or a good ball into them just bounced straight back. The striker with the best movement unfortunately is Heskey who isn't good enough but he actually makes decent runs at times, infact 3 of his goals this season have been from clever through balls from Milner, so make the right run and the balls will get played through but our strikers usually are pretty obvious in their movement of either coming deep for the ball without any movement of going away therefore defenders can easily read situation or they run into channels. When do you ever see Gabby or Carew make a run across a CB and curve runs to get in behind. RARELY.

Firs thing Delfouneso did aswell.....ball at Luke Young's feet I think it was. Ran towards the centre back before spinning deep to make space for himself. Gabby and Carew both seem incapable of trying to mix their runs and well lose their man. It's frankly annoying. I don't mind with Gabby because he can also threaten in behind and although not today, usually holds it up but Carew is just infuriating to watch.

The reason you never see Gabby doing what he should do, and that's run at people is because for some unknown reason he spend all his day backing into defenders, trying to turn defenders and holding up play, laying the ball of to bring midfielders in, I've been screaming that all season.

Trying to think of a goal this season where we have seen Gabby run and score, so much so his rating as the Premiership fastest player has been eclipsed by a good few, even Sol Campbell has been deemed faster this season than Agbonlahor over 100mtrs in game play. Some of Carews best play this season has seen him play right from his own half and although i take your point about Heskey i would differ in so much as i think Heskey main strength is his ability to be awkward and play the odd decent good ball, but lets be honest he isn't good enough for top half Premiership football IMO.

Look I like O'Neil, I think he has done a good job. But the simple reason why we have only won 8 home league games is because he has NO IDEA tactically on how to change a game whether it's personel or formation. What must he be thinking during the game????? Heskey for Carew, Fonz for Gabby.......Brilliant Martin!! So idea on changing formation, losing at home and persists with Carlos at RB who again was a **** embarassment in that position. Absolute shit! Why have we not brought the fonz on for a midfielder or even defender and go for it. Or simply load the midfield with 3-5-2 or 4-5-1 as Blackburn dominated that area. Unfortuntaly Mr O'Neill it comes across that you don't actually have a **** clue! Sorry, you have taken us higher than anyone else for a long time but eventually I feel you will also hold us back with lack of imagination. Liverpool won't put up with it for long I'm sure!

Agree with this, has MON ever substituted Ashley Young?

We just need strikers. Our build up play at times is actually good but whenever the ball went into Gabby and Carew...

1. Hold up play was terrible.

2. No movement to drop off and run at defenders.

3. The ball went into them in the box, but both are too slow with their feet to take a quick touch and get a shot away.

Thankfully, I didn't care.

Think we need more than that, IMO we will lose our midfield and although i agree with your point about our front men needing more, they also need far better service from midfield, which they don't get, this long cross and long ball whacked in all the time leaves a massive amount for any front men to do even Drogba would struggle.

I would love to see some stats in relation to how many goals have come this season through the centre, how many have come from shots from 18/25yds and then see how many have come from set pieces and crosses and long balls, the reason we score mainly on the break, mainly from the big ball in and mainly from set pieces is because we don't have the kind of creativity in midfield to do otherwise.

Agree about your point up front, however i think our midfield seriously lacks.

Well i can only make a comment for how i see Downing and i'm making it based not just today but his season (as we are at season end) and i just don't think he's shaping up to be the kind of player that will push us on to bigger and better things, however he is a good average player that gives a squad depth, problem is Villa IMO needs more than that, Downing wouldn't be my first choice, and we need movers and shakers in midfield, in defence and definitely up front.

Well, poor, thats it.

Think there was a few faces there today for Villa that we may see running out against us next season, Milner will be of IMO, Ash Young, although have to say it i would be amazed if the top sides came in for him, another player that seems to have lost it to me is Downing, i did think another season, but i think this injury thing has really set him back.

For me the big news will be MON, without question hes done a lot in making the club stable again, and we have had some exciting moments and times, i just can't see where he goes from here within the club and i think thats what RL may be thinking.

Gone really, really quick this one.

When was the last time we lost the last game of the season? Seems a while, Leeds I can remember but that was about 6 years ago. My memory is getting naff.

Thats what i was thinking, almost seems like yesterday and we where up against Wigan and going out of Europa

ians roght cant happen fortunately for labour. mandleson is one of the most despised people on the planet, it would be sucide for labour to appoint him.

im tipping miliband as next labour leader. i actually think jack straw would be a good candidate for labour leader but wont happen

Thats interesting, there are some Labour MPs saying he will be in charge as early as end of next week.

West Ham v Man City, you would normally say tough game, but West Ham may have already gone on holiday and Man City will be desperate for 5th so.......................

All we can do is make sure we win.

What would be the point in going again though?

Labour will get a new leader, their vote will go up as a result (IMO), Tories will drop a few seats and Lib Dems will stay the same and it'll be as you were, only with Labour/Conservative even closer together.

Unless of course someone magically pushes through proportional representation over summer then goes again from scratch in november and see how it pans out...

A massive and huge victory, it will matter not if Labour put God in control of the party, any party that is in power over the next 6 months will be resented and hated as the Governor of the Bank of England said this week, tey won't get elected again for generations, now if that bloke is making sounds as to how serious things are you can pretty much take it they are probably worse.

Malachite, I said before the election they'll be going again in October. Looking at how things have panned out it then it might be even sooner.

And so they should, point well made IMO, and to reiterate Cameron should get his thinking cap on and plan rather than think about the next 5mins and like the kid in the toy shop "i want it now"

Someone should tell him to be cool, think it through, what a true statement in that "patience is a virtue".

CED: I think he will struggle to back Brown, I wouldn't put it past him though, for me that depends on the rewards.

I think for Clegg to back Cameron he must give way on electoral reform, and because the Libs where stitched up before ( i think be the Tories) on even just looking at reform previously and the Tories took it straight of the agenda once they got what they wanted, they would have to go public in the event that the Tories don't come good they can be exposed.

Personally all in all i just can't see how any of this can be stable government, can't see how it can work, and can see another election within a few years, really IMO they should call this of, go as you where boys, reschedule for later in the year, set a date and go for it.

If you think about it common sense and a bit of solid nouns and guile tells you that if Cameron did the savvy thing and said right now, OK guys the public haven't decided sufficiently enough, lets go again later, then Brown will be at the helm of setting the most austere programme in British political history in the next few months, Brown will have to guide the nation through the rough, by the time we get to October and another General Election the country will be screaming for the removal of Brown and Labour, The Liberal/Clegg novelty thing will be gone, in fact already has, up rides a knight in shinning armour heading up the Tories saying well i did tell you this would happen if you didn't put us in in May, you now can correct that, the Tories win the Election on a sweeping majority that will probably put them in power for generations (so sayeth the governor of the Bank of England in retro) that's it, but i suppose you have to have a devious mind to think all that ho ho !!!!!.

Well lets hope we are in for a good win and a really good and entertaining performance by Villa to finish with, judging by the other thread this could well be MON's last in charge and certainly the last we see of 1 or 2 players.

3-1 to Villa.

Gabby 2 and 1 for Ash Young.

Big weekend this, I just can't see Cameron giving his word to Clegg on electoral reform, just wouldn't make sense.

I can't see Cameron giving his word to Clegg that he wont implemant this 6bl out of the economy thing that was part of his manifesto (major part) that Clegg objected to as folly live on telly and to his face.

I can't see Cameron agreeing to raising the Tax level up to £10,000 a year for every working person, that so isn't the Conservative way of doing things.

However, i can see Clegg getting all the above if Cameron gives him a cast iron set in stone, date an all, on electoral reform and proportional representation, and for him to do that he's giving any future Tory party election a mountain to climb to get in again............................can't see it.

On the other hand I can see Labour give way on electoral reform because they have already made sounds in that direction.

Labour already agree with the Liberals on the economy thing and not to endanger the recovery.

I have no doubt Brown would give the £10,000 tax thing to the Liberals.

So where is the problem, the problem IMO is Brown himself, he doesn't come across to me like a bloke you can work with, I think Clegg would want assurances between them of a date when Brown would step down, the way Blair give such an assurance to Brown for his full support. IMO. would Brown give such a thing ?

i think clegg and cameron could actually be a good partnership. two young fresh politicians, new ideas, new policies.

i think clegg will reject the tories and go with labour though personally

Sounds saucy

IMO I honestly can't see other than ego what these blokes are messing about at, if they all came out in front of the cameras now in Downing Street and said none of us have an overall mandate, we also are not happy with the abuse of peoples rights, therefore we will maintain the status Que for a period of 6months at which on this given date there will be a General Election. They would have my absolute respect, because i know they are doing it for the people first.

I don't think you would find many who would disagree with you on that, but you are seeing now that the quest for power still is the major factor for most of the people who got voted in. Its the same for nearly all people in politics IMO

Quite, and how sad is that, you would think it would occur to them that if you know that and i know that and as you say many others know that, one would stand up and say lets do it different, lets show the public that politicians are not egotistical fiddling power obsessed morons.

Why do the tory party keep saying that they got the same as Blair in 97. A quick look and it says that Blair's Labour got 43.2% of the vote / Tory 30.7 and Libs 16.8 . As it stands now the Tory vote last night was 36.1 Lab 29.2 and Libs 22.9 :shock:

It does show again though that this system is flawed

It is flawed, but you also have to take on board that since 78 every party have swept to power with a massive overall majority, Maggie in 78 giving her 18 years of power and then in 97 for Blair giving him 13 years of power, that is maximum stability for the nation, which is what we need, precedence as shown before that when a party has had to do deals to get power, they've gone at the next Election and have existed through massive Turmoil and unrest.

IMO I honestly can't see other than ego what these blokes are messing about at, if they all came out in front of the cameras now in Downing Street and said none of us have an overall mandate, we also are not happy with the abuse of peoples rights, therefore we will maintain the status Que for a period of 6months at which on this given date there will be a General Election. They would have my absolute respect, because i know they are doing it for the people first.

Rodders: They are saying that, but if there is wheeler dealing at a time like this if there is deals being done, the very second something goes wrong there will be hell to pay, mudslinging, and that old stick, " well you never had the confidence of the public and your only in becuas eyou did a deal".

I'm not making judgement in favour of any party, but if they can't see the writing on the wall when things go wrong they are stupid, most importantly they have to take on board the thousands that have been denied there rights.

billy_loes.

I agree, Britian only works with a total mandate, can you imagine Cameron trying to get an austere and severe unpopuler Budget through the house on the otherside Labour and Liberal doing deals to stop it and the conservatives scratching around trying to get support from little partries like the DUP to get support and get it through the house, just not worth it.

If the Lib Dem get into bed with the tories, Clegg will demand electoral reform, which will mean that Cameron will sign his own death warrant.

Absolutely, which is why Paddy Ashdown is now saying on TV that Cameron should form a government, the deal Cameron will have to do is as you say a death warrant for the Tories or a war when he reneges on it despite the fact Ashdown is saying there has been no deal.

billy_loes.

I agree, Britian only works with a total mandate, can you imagine Cameron trying to get an austere and severe unpopuler Budget through the house on the otherside Labour and Liberal doing deals to stop it and the conservatives scratching around trying to get support from little partries like the DUP to get support and get it through the house, just not worth it.

No chance of Mr Lerner taking advantage of the weak pound as he's just departed back to the U.S.!

I wouldn't mind betting that knowing how resolute and considered and firm Mr Lerner makes decisions he would say, another Election, its only fair after all, the public having given anybody an absolute majority we all have to go out there again do it again and earn it, and earn the public trust with the country facing huge uncertainty.

Must go again IMO

IMO, No question here, there is only onw way all the parties must go and that is for the present government to continue for a set period, a firm General Election date called in October and then the nation does it all again, this Election is a poison chalice for any party attempting to take power and unless they can agree to work together a s a coalition we must have another General Election 6 months on, also this business about people being turned away at 9.20 and prevented from voting, there absolute right, and turned away by the Police is a national disgrace, this isn't Mugabe's Zimbabwe ffs, complete shambles, this could also give the parties time to discuss any new electoral method before going into an general Election.

The other point is surely these parties with the kind of decisions they are going to have to make over the next few years will want nothing less than a complete overall majority and a sweeping mandate from the public to implement these polices, otherwise we have unstable government, infighting, deals being done to stop legislation going through parliment delay delay delay, it just can't work.

Most of all Thousand being denied there absolute right to vote is scandelous and a total disgrace. The only fair way is another General Election at a set date, after a cool calm period and another campaign period where the parties will now know that thus far the public are not impressed and they will have to work a lot harder.

Only way............another Election and the Queen should call it.

The constitution is quite clear. Brown as the incumbent Prime Minister can do deals with other parties to make a coalition government. Cameron can do the same.

In the meantime the mandarins of Whitehall are in power, which in reality they always are.

The convention may say that but they have to take on board what is a national disgrace in people being denied the basic right to vote, which by the way it just takes one of those people in each area to serve a writ to the electoral commission and they have to have a by-election, also if we are scratching to get the mandate it will cause massive instability, and we don't need that with the kind of politics we are about to endure, we need complete confidence and a total mandate form the public.

6 months is nothing, the another Election and make sure there is no error.

I know someone having talked to them this morning that turned up at 7 last night, couldn't get in, went back at 8.30, same, want back at 9.15 waited till 9.50 when an official came out and told everybody to go home, about a 100 people, his excuse was there was a slow down becuase so many people had not got polling cards and they couldn't track them, so they couldn't deal with it.

5 mins before 10 the doors where closed and people locked out, Thats illegal pure and simple.

With the postal vote in place and a 15hr window to vote I cant see how people can complain, if they successfully sue it just shows how wank this country is, and that human rights bloke is justifying his exsistence and can piss right off

Most people were working and had to vote after work when the queues were huge, also students at Manchester University were all registered at one polling station which had no chance of coping. Other places ran out of ballots and closed early. I really don't know why you would not be sympathetic if people were not allowed to vote. This is the UK not Iraq, it's a bit of a joke that it was so poorly organised.

if you knew you was working all day you should have used the postal vote even those on 12hr shifts had 3hrs to do it the whole thing to me stinks of people on the jolly all day rocking up at half 9 outraged that it was busy which sums us up, however the running out of ballots I cant argue with, they know how many are registered and they knew turnout would be high

But how does that apply to hundreds of people turning up that had not received polling cards expecting to get those at the polling station, then being told at the polling station there is no record of them living there and being turned away.......its a joke pure and simple.

As far as i'm concerned if just 1 person as been denied the right, then it has to be another General Election otherwise whats it all for.