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Sorry if this has been discussed already but there seems to be some confusion over how many places qualify for Europe. My understanding from the below link is that because Man Utd beat Brighton and it's a Man City Man Utd FA Cup final, and with Man Utd winning League Cup , then the top 7 now qualify for Europe? 

https://www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explained

6 minutes ago, Genie said:

apart from being interviewed for the England job in the summer you mean

I thought someone would bring this up...

So he was close to getting the job a couple of months ago and is now no where near getting it. Suggests he was used as a red herring to make the whole interview process look fair and competitive. It was always Allardyce's from the start and he was never a serious consideration. 

There has to be a reason why Steve Bruce has never been touted for one of the top jobs. He's a manager for clubs that specialise is yoyoing between the top 2 divisions. I hope that Dr X ambitions are loftier than this and he goes for the more dynamic, young and riskier Wagner. 

Perhaps there are parallels between his last appointment:

Bruce = Pearson 

Wagner = RDM

Come on Tone, do the right thing. 

Wagner for me. Never heard of him until recently but the more I read and see the more I like. This season is almost certainly a write off now so let's take a gamble on someone who has the pedigree and potential to be something special. 

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27 minutes ago, Made In Aston said:

Tony has already said that the  2 match ultimatum was just made up paper bollocks.  Let's move on and give RDM a bit more time.

We are doing everything right but scoring so, given our firepower up front,  will come good soon enough. 

Based on his tweet? Do you think he's going to say anything other that full support for his manager publicly even if he is planning the chop? 

It wouldn't surprise me one little bit if RDM did go this weekend if we didn't win. 

1 hour ago, MakemineVanilla said:

I can't see why you would need a PhD to understand the statistics.

It is not a measure of how great a striker a player is, only a measure of how important a player's goals were to a particular team.

Van Persie's 26 league goals for Man United in season 2012-13 added 27 points to Man United's total: in other seasons he was less important.

Gabby's 1.08 points added per goal for Villa does not make him a great striker, only an important one in terms of his contribution to Villa's points tally.

As pointed out elsewhere a goal for a shit team is often worth more in terms of points gained, than a better striker playing for a better team.

So really Gabby's rating is more a measure of just how shit Villa are than how good he has been as a striker.

And no one doubts that Villa have been and continue to be a ****ing shit team.

 

 

 

My point being that single arbitrary stats on their own are meaningless without context. You can find a statistic for pretty much any position you want though being able to back it up with reason you can't. 

Not saying you need a PhD to understand it, more that someone with a PhD in statistics will find this particular measure unpredictive of either a player or teams ability.

Without a qualified statisticians input into the matter I will base my judgement of someone on what I see - and in this instance, over a decades worth of utter dross. 

On 24/09/2016 at 10:56, MakemineVanilla said:

There is an interesting article in the Times today, where strikers are ranked as to how many points they earned for their club in a season: in other words, how crucial were their goals to the outcome.

So a single goal in a 1-0 win is worth more than a goal scored in an easy win.

Van Persie came top by adding 27 points to Man U's season's total and adding 24 for Arsenal when he was there.

Gareth Bale (24), Suarez (24) and Vardy (23) were also mentioned.

When it came to points earned per goal Leicester's Mahrez came top with  1.19 points and Gabby came second with 1.08 points earned per goal.

So it is not only the perception that Gabby scored a lot of crucial goals for Villa, the statistics bear it out.

Which season for the 1.08 quote? Overall or a single season?

Almost all statistics can be misleading without full context. Football, being an incredibly complicated model to analyse statistically, is more prone to misleading stats than most others. As such, without someone providing a PhD level analysis and presentation of a players game I rely on my own eyes and he is, and always has (even when pushing for 4th place) been a liability. In fact I put the sole fact we didn't qualify for the CL firmly at his door. The amount of chances, and points, wasted in the season that we came so close to CL qualification is shameful. That was Randy's final throw of the dice season and had we a proper striker up front instead of GA then we possibly wouldn't be in the position we are in today. 

5 hours ago, Duck said:

Would be a win win. What better first step to show China as a world football power than to own a team who win the worlds highest ranked competitions. 

Teams in the Chinese league aren't going to play at the same level as top European clubs for a long long time. If the government want to push football forward the best way is immediate success.

This might be a blessing or a curse. We will probably get huge backing for the next few years... But if we don't get results there's the risk that the government will lose interest, and we lose funding.

We will no doubt get a handful of obscure Chinese signings, dodgy advertising deals, preseason tours of China and a lifetime supply of MSG. But as long as we get back to where we actually belong it could all be worthwhile. 

I wouldn't get too excited... If they were wanting success that quickly and  we're willing to spend they wouldn't have bought a club in the Championship. 

The Man City owners wouldn't have bought City if they were in the Championship. 

We have been bought as an investment, not for fun IMO. Don't expect anything other than mid table PL at best. 

The prophecy of Bannan playing League One football within a few years is slowly coming true... I'm pretty sure once his one year deal at Sheff Wednesday expires he'll then be joining a club like Fleetwood or Burton.

Scottish Iniesta 

Interesting video on Redknapp interviewing Sherwood yesterday at Bodymoor Heath... about 15 mins long...

http://goo.gl/MulbbZ

Bannan to Bolton, lucky football fans to witness him

I seem to recall many people prophesizing that this would happen a couple of years ago... however, this was when Bolton were in the Premier League. Turns out it took them to get relegated before being interested in him.

World class my arse.

Had we held on against Spurs to win, and not conceded the late peno against Burnley (I know, I know, ifs ands and buts) we'd currently be joint 5th in the league. That, quite franky, is inane

We'd be 6th, but still remarkable how close the league is. When you have the likes of West Ham in 3rd place it makes you think we really aren't that far away from doing decent things in this league...

If only Lerner wasn't such a pussy.

Yes, it certainly was! Took about 20 minutes of going over and over in my head exactly what to say, but as always fear is incredibly irrational. 

I'm not saying who is right or wrong though I posed this "consideration" question on the Consumer Action Forum and it generated a little confusion and debate. However, it would appear the most experienced poster has stated:

 

Originally Posted by steampowered 

Consideration is about whether or not there is a legal obligation to do something, not whether you have actually performed it. For example, an obligation to go to work in a week's time can be consideration.

Indeed. There is consideration on both sides; you are agreeing to perform work, and in return receive pay for that work. Consideration can be both "executed" (already performed) or "executory" (a promise to do something in the future).

In regards to my situation the contract is being drawn up so I guess I'll be providing an update as to how my conversation goes at the end of the week. Quite looking forward to it

Haha! Well, hopefully this information won't be needed but at least it is one less worry if things get nasty!

Interesting...

Absolutely... at the end of the day all I have done is waste their time - they haven't incurred any monetary expenses by me changing my mind. Also, they were willing to wait nearly a year and a half to get to me to join so this suggests that the position I was filling isn't time sensitive.

I think the biggest mistake here was signing the new contract only a month after handing in my notice. I should have signed the contract a few days before starting the new job giving my current workplace more time to counter offer without putting me in an awkward position. However, I couldn't see my current workplace shifting their stance so much and I was totally comitted to joining the new company. I'll just have to put this down to experience.

Yeah, I'm not overly concerned around the legal aspect of it all... it's simply not in anyones interests to go down that route so I don't see that happening at all, though in the very small chance it does then it'll simply end up with me having to pay for either their recruitment costs for a replacement or the notice period of the job. Either way I'll get the costs covered in my new contract from my current company so no problem there.

Ideally I would like to leave this other place with good relations intact though I know that will be very tough. I've thought about many ways of potentially approaching the subject with them but as always honesty is the best policy so this is what I will do. I know that if they were in my position they would do the same so I just need to be able to deliver that message as carefully and thoughtfully as possible.

I signed the contract with 100% intention of joining and they have been headhunting me and negotiating with me for around 15 months so I didn't enter it lightly at all. Sometimes no matter how careful and considerate you are around situations there is just no telling what is around the corner which can drastically change peoples circumstances.

If it all goes sour then that is a shame though worse things have happened and worse things will happen again in the near future. As to the potential damage to my reputation then it will grow more with the new job and title then it will be damaged by declining a job.

Does anyone have any experience on this?

I have accepted and signed a contract for a new job which I was genuinely very excited about. The problem is that during my 3 month notice period my current workplace have been working very hard in getting me to stay. I've rebuffed many offers though now it's got to a place where I simply can't refuse. I'll be made head of a department in a huge company that is going places, along with loads of benefits. It is a position which will propel my career forward, is a genuinely very exciting job and is an opportunity I simply can't refuse.

So, all good!! Other than this potentially very awkward conversation I'm going to be having next week!

That although Palace lost he can't have had that bad a game. If there were no positives to take from it he won't be on the bench. I'll hold my hands up and say my analysis is wrong if he's not on the bench. That would indicate there were no positives.

It's official... Con has been defeated. His analysis is wrong and always has been wrong as per the below:

and then consider how shit he is...

It is a shame that now they are out of the Capital One cup he won't play again this season to show off his world class abilities to the world.

Bannan starts!!!

Palace lose!!!