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10 minutes ago, spiezels said:

At least you could read the AVFC at a distance, now you cant see the lion OR the name.

 

LOL

This is a great point, it's another thing where bad design upon bad design has hurt our branding.

I'd prefer the full name of Aston Villa on the badge but it has to be more recognisable, not just a washed out yellow on sky blue blur

1 hour ago, Talldarkandransome said:

These are not hideous, I almost don't care about the badge anymore but that ugly AU50 thing is awful.

I doubt it will be in that position. I can't think of a single other instance of a PL team having a commemorative logo in that position or that prominently, so I assume it's not allowed.

27 minutes ago, Mazrim said:

Not sure if this the right place for this but apparently we are one of 3 clubs voting against a proposed spending cap. The others being Man Utd and Man City.
The spending cap is based on 5x TV revenue of the bottom club, which if you take last years would be circa £500m.

So, any thoughts on why we would want to vote against that? Would our owners want to spend more?

Just based on what was discussed regarding this yesterday:

The European cap is still a percentage of our revenue and isn't in line with the proposed PL cap.

So for a club like us who isn't an already established global elite club but that is playing in Europe, we'd have to cap our revenue to the European limit, which for us might be say, £200mil while clubs that don't qualify for Europe can pay up to the £500m.

For clubs like Man City and Liverpool who have enormous established revenue, there isn't really any disparity between the 2 caps. So basically it's a bit of a glass ceiling in terms of trying to grow our club while having a much lower salary cap than the rest of our domestic league.

1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I’ve put a tenner on it. Felt weird but if I win I can get drunk with the winnings.

Same! But I did it when the odds were only 4/1

3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Is your thirst for negativity so great that you're now trying to convince us that qualifying for the Champions League (which you previously assured us we definitely wouldn't do because we'd definitely finish 6th, and then that we'd definitely finish 5th) is actually a bad thing?

He's just trying to protect himself emotionally.

What he should do instead is sell his house and bet on Tottenham to finish top 4 (for which I can currently get 6/1 odds). Then when he's proven right he'll have enough money for 6 houses, which will help dull the pain of Aston Villa playing Europa League next season.

Our league form might be impacted but it would be impacted more if we play Europa League because we'll probably go further. This is just part of being a big club that we'll get used to.

But we have no reason to be afraid of anyone in the Champions League. We're about to finish 4th in the Premier League. We've beaten Arsenal and Man City this season. There is no reason we can't beat European clubs and advance in the tournament.

Playing in the Champions League lets us attract and retain top quality players.

This one definitely isn't legit, at the absolute best it's a cheap knock off. The logos won't be that scale, it'll be a lot more of a high quality finish etc. We also know the sponsor is different.

However, the template is the 2024 Adidas Template, so the basic construction with how the sleeves are cut in and the spikes is likely to be pretty close. Everything else is probably just a guess from this knock off merchant.

15 minutes ago, villa89 said:

I think people just wanted to like it because it was a different brand and Luke is a Villa fan. In reality it wasn't very nice at all.

I disagree and I think it was overwhelmingly popular at the time. It's probably the most difficult of our recent home shirts to find for sale online, and if you do find one it's usually hundreds of pounds.

2 hours ago, ender4 said:

So there is a pic of a kit doing the rounds on Reddit - someone took this photo of our ‘new kit’ being sold in a market in Turkey.   
 

A fake shirt of course, but the Turkish seller said it’s a copy of our new kit.

It’s Adidas, with the new badge and AU1500 scrawled in the middle.  If you ignore the rubbish badge and ignore the AU1500, it looks pretty decent.

Not sure if anyone can get it from Reddit and post it here?

 

This will be the one you mean I think. We know it can't be accurate because of the sponsor, but, it is Adidas's 2024 template and i'd suggest it's not far off what we'll end up with.

I'd be surprised if the PL allow us to have that AV150 logo there at the size they've done it.

6 hours ago, Davkaus said:

They almost always just give it to the manager who wins the league, with 1 exception in the past decade

If Pep gets it over Unai for winning less than he did last year with a squad that is probably double ours in value, i'm not even sure what the point is of having the award.

4 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said:

Agreed but, bugbear of mine.

What bloody trophy? You don’t get a trophy for second place, I feel like they went out and bought their own trophy just so they could have a celebration photoshoot with a trophy in it.

Agree with this, I didn't even know it was a thing until we were promoted. We got a trophy for finishing 5th! But I guess as you say, you do have something to celebrate, and trophies lend themselves well to that.

I think he's well ahead of where Bailey was at the same point with us. Absolutely well worth persisting with

Wow, great season by him and by everything i'm seeing, Exeter are a class club. Hopefully we can send them one or two more of our talented kids over the next few seasons.

6 hours ago, a-k said:

A major problem with VAR is the inherent bias. An argument I've seen going around is that the ref was in prime position to see the foul, "if there was one", so there was no need for VAR to intervene. But, Villa shades off, it's a clear foul, and I don't see how anyone can argue against that?? Carlos is directly under the ball, gets an illegal barge in the back, moving him a meter or two forward and no longer under the path of the ball. It's a foul all day long, and the argument should not be why did VAR intervene when Pawson was staring straight at it, but how did Pawson not give it in the first place? Did he just swallow his whistle in the moment? Think that he'll just let the phase continue and then let VAR come in if it's a foul? 

This is why I think all VAR should be able to flag is that the ref needs another look at a certain contest. Then the on field ref who has a feel for the game and will have to answer for a poor decision can review his own decision.

At the moment I fully agree with you, the VAR want to back their colleague in the on-field ref but then the ref also wants to back the VAR. Take that mateship out of it and let referees make a decision that they and they alone will have to answer for.

Klopp tanking hard at the end. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

I think we'll probably see the standard 3 stripes logo on our home and away kits and then a trefoil on a third, or something like that.

4 hours ago, thabucks said:

The premier league has exploded in terms of global reach and popularity since the Lerner era badge and to international fans and brands it is synonymous with AVFC. The new NSWE era badge is an evolution of that design - I’m sure someone in marketing and advertising can sum up better than I ever could why they’ve chosen to do this rather than a full new design.

They'd be making up some absolute wank, because the decision was made in the accounting department.

There's no way we ended up with what we did based on a pure and open process. I'm 99% certain they decided that it would be too expensive to replace the existing lion throughout every aspect of our branding, so they decided to do a stop gap that gave us a "new badge" with a couple of the longstanding bugbears "solved" but without us having to replace lion silhouettes all over Villa Park and beyond.

I'm hoping this flops hard enough that we do a proper rebranding process within the next few years. It's frustrating that some much smaller clubs have managed to do this successfully and we keep stuffing it up.

On 23/04/2024 at 04:29, villa4europe said:

It's hard to tell because to be fair anyone with the kit editing ability could take those off footy headlines 

I also think you can see a snippet of the away shirt and it looked light blue with a claret sponsor and monochrome badge 

In the full tiktok you can see this year's away complete with the round badge and the BK8 logo to the left of our kit. If this was legitimately next year's stuff, it wouldn't have last year's away kit in it. I'm content to call this a concept.

1 hour ago, thabucks said:

It’s not Heck’s badge it’s NSWE … If they were suitably blown away by the round badge do you think they’d let it be changed a year afterwards ? Why is it the Lerner badge and not Paul Faulkner’s. Yes Heck would’ve been behind it but ultimately it is Nas & Wes’s badge as it will define their ownership in terms of badges. Or is it cause a lot don’t seem to like Heck they get away from being associated with it ? 

Lerner seemed quite heavily involved with his badge, getting it tattooed on him. It came with his purchase of the club.

I don't think the "Heck" badge is what he wants ideally, but I think, much like with the North stand, it's all about dollars. It's too expensive to do properly right now, so we'll wait. Heck gets credited with the new badge because on being hired he immediately put the kibosh on the round badge. I believe he'd argue that it was a financial necessity, but it just shits me that much smaller clubs can get this right and we're now fumbling into yet another bad badge.

1 hour ago, HKP90 said:

Referees won't call out their own mistakes when they are presented with an opportunity to reinforce their credibility. They will think it makes them look weak (even though it would actually show qualities of self criticism, which is a strength). It will also I'm sure be monitored, so if they make a number of mistakes, it will add to a database of their errors which will reduce the chance that they get more work. The system as is allows refs to delegate responsibility to VAR, which is exactly what they are doing. 

The only way I see VAR actually offering any help, is as a tool, to be used by referees at their own judgment at the side of the pitch, without the referral. That way refs can use it to bolster their own decision making, without implication of error.  

I do really like the idea that refs can call for another look without VAR intervening for things like penalty shouts and red cards. There is really no reason why the ref can't ask the question himself, unless play is still going.

I think refs are far more likely to call out their own mistakes than they are to call out the mistakes of their colleagues. VAR will always err on the side of the onfield ref for this reason. The onfield ref has a feel for the game, and if the responsibility and accountability for the decision is placed squarely on them, then we'll be more likely to get correct decisions.

If the onfield ref knew beyond any doubt that Young didn't get the ball, he's giving a penalty 100% of the time, but you have a situation here where a VAR official in an air conditioned office somewhere away from the coalface is basically guessing why the onfield ref didn't give it and is loathe to overturn a decision made by one of his colleagues. Ridiculous. Just let the onfield ref review his own work, with the full weight of responsibility for getting it right on his shoulders.

14 minutes ago, useless said:

 

This Betano logo is better than the one that was getting used in the mock ups. 

I think he'd be great for an England side with so much talent because he'd get them in a positive frame of mind and let them play football instead of this rigid defensive borefest that Southgate has going.

There are probably better qualified choices but I think he'd absolutely be able to do the job.

Third one is about as clear as a penalty gets, unbelievable. The first one is 50/50, I wouldn't have given the handball one.