magnkarl

5 hours ago, Jareth said:

Well it's the reverse point you are making - what do people do about the current situation? Say nothing but disagree strongly, and avoid those traps you describe, or take action? The only action I take is to hurl Israeli radishes out of reach in Asda, not in an antisemitic rage but because our own government refuses to sanction them for some appaling recent behaviour. The US students obviously go stronger and possibly have jeopardised their futures. Why does anybody care? Well that's for each of us to choose. 

For starters, don't shout abuse at Jews on US campuses for being Jews. Don't intimidate them, don't use Israel as a weapon to attack a tiny minority that you've been craving to attack and blame it on Israel when those people are neither in Israel or have anything to do with the war. It's really that simple. I don't know why people struggle so much about this with Jews. Do you also go around abusing everyone who's an orthodox Christian for what Russia is doing, or everyone Shia for what Iran is doing?

4 hours ago, Jareth said:

Well I think that is what they're saying - to stop, pronto. I've admitted I blame Israel for the current situation, they are in charge and have all of the power and decision making yet there is famine in Gaza - that's some biblical punishment going on. I probably take it for granted that it is understood that Hamas/Iran are shits of the highest order, the world needs to get rid ASAP, it's the collateral damage to civilians that irks me personally, and it appears intentional - that's why I blame Israel. 

What do you think the UK would do if a country’s government’s armed groups attacked our country, took hostages, raped, murdered over a thousand people and kept saying they’d continue doing it? Blow them a kiss? Judging by what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan not very different to what Israel is doing to someone who simply won’t stop.

9 minutes ago, Jareth said:

Well I could cut and paste what the leaders of Northern Ireland and Ireland have said about the 'current' situation, in fact I had that tee'd up but thought there's no point in googling for others so dismissed it - it also didn't address what magnkarl asked so I attempted to tailor a response to his question - damned if you do, damned if you don't. There's a great article about the history of Ireland and why its people are so inclined on this issue, making them an outlier in white european nations, I won't paste it here because I feel the very action will provoke derision. 

Ireland should tell the Palestinians and Israelis to stop the never-ending spiral of violence, rather than trying to put all the blame on one side like you are. I would've thought they'd learned after funding a movement that committed wide-scale terror in a neighbouring nation for 50 years without much to show for. Israel are completely wrong in their response, but the innate ability that many Pro-Palestinian people seem to have to completely dismiss why Israel are reacting after the history they've had with their neighbours is beyond me. For the very same reason no other nation will step up to aid Palestine either, they've caused massive trouble, coups, assassination, terror and whatnot wherever they've gone. The Pro-Palestinian side needs to try to encourage Palestinians to try to lead a different life rather than acting like it's still the middle-ages and emboldening them by going on marches screaming all sorts of hyperbolic messaging. People were out protesting for Palestine on the 8th of October. One day after the government of Gaza had committed  the largest terrorist-attack on another nation since 9/11. Just think a bit about it.

13 minutes ago, Jareth said:

Ireland are intervening with the ICJ case, indicating they believe its merits which is to accuse Israel of perpetrating genocidal acts - I don't know if they've made a lengthy case as to the how and the why Israel/Gaza is where it is - but they appear to be strongly advocating for a side - that's where I am - but granted I have put the blame on Israel myself. I do so because they are in charge there, I mean they are right? They've told the US to do one when it comes to the future of Gaza and that indicates that they are in charge. As the power in the region then my view is that they should exercise restraint, absolutely decapitate Hamas, and smack Iran around too, but there is a huge cost to the civilians of Gaza and they are innocent. Famine is not necessary in any of these aims. 

But that was not the point you were making. Ireland is aiding the investigation and potential case, but have said nothing of what you said about who is to blame.

1 minute ago, Jareth said:

They didn't meet - the police did their job - and on the back of that there was a campaign to get the head of the met sacked. 

That was the point of the provocateur though. We're at a point where the police has to step in to preserve peace rather than letting someone with differing opinions to someone else simply walk through a group of people. It's a sad state of affairs for everyone involved, not least the freedoms we have in our democracy. 

3 minutes ago, Jareth said:

I think the word the policeman used was 'disingenuous' to describe Falter's actions. He was not casually on his way somewhere, he was there to provoke conflict and had been lingering for some time. It is quite a remarkable coincidence that he is also a professional, long standing political activist. I don't choose to afford him, 'his' version of events, at all. But we differ. 

If a group of demonstrators can't handle a Jew without Israeli flags or anything else going through their protest he's proving his point completely. Do you not get that? The guy is a provocateur but if we can't handle someone who's got different opinions to ourselves walking through our demonstrations we're moving quickly away from the freedoms a democracy affords. But I guess that is the place our society is at now. People who protest (especially if they're younger), want people cancelled, removed, censured, gagged and whatnot for not holding their opinions.

9 minutes ago, Jareth said:

I take everything you say on board. But I'm Irish and I agree with the Irish leaders on the current situation. 

So what is the 'Irish leaders' take on who started the most recent set of hostilities? You seem to be conflating what the Irish lawyers are doing in regards to the ICJ with placing blame, they've not gone out and made sweeping statements like you about who is to blame for why there's a conflict.

32 minutes ago, Jareth said:

I was gutted to hear that you have suffered abuse during the fallout from the Hamas attack - that's not where I am on this. If I point the finger I point it on the crime committed - I believe Israel is responsible for the overwhelming, criminal suffering of the Palestinians - because it is lead by religious, far right supremacists who do not value their lives, at all. Throw in the recent execution of British ex military aid workers - let alone journalists, or human rights campaigners over the years. It is black and white sometimes - it really is. 

Is it? Who started the most recent set of hostilities? Who started it in 1948, in 1967, in 1982, in the first and second intifadas, in the 2008, 2014 and 2024 Gaza wars? This constant whitewash of what Palestinian organisations (Hamas, Black September, PLO, Fatah, PIJ or even worse, Hezbollah and Iran's other proxy groups who are pillaging through Syria and Iraq with large parts Palestinian fighters) have done over the last 80 years is one of the things that keeps this spiral of violence going. Israel is the only nation on earth that is held accountable for winning defensive wars, and then get pressured to release the territories they won when other nations attacked them. 

Remove Israel completely, and you've still got a Palestinian people that have attacked Jordan, killed 20.000 people in the Lebanese civil war, performed attacks on the Olympics, on Egypt, on the Jordanian king, taken part in much bloodier conflicts than the current Gaza war in Syria on the side of horrible dictators and so on. The Palestinian backers really need to start looking in the mirror and start holding the Palestinians accountable for their actions, just like we as the West need to hold Israel accountable. Neither people are children, yet only one of them are actually encouraged to stop the spiral and it ain't Palestine. Palestine has a whole under-set of supporters in the West who run around the streets calling for Intifada and for the whole territory between the river Jordan and the Med to be free of the Jewish state.

Ah, you invaded another country, blew people up, enacted horrible Islamic coups in Lebanon and attempted the same in Jordan - but you can't help it, you're just a people without any sort of accountability because of Israel. Here, have your own UN-organisation, billions and billions of aid to enrich your politicians and make rockets from. We won't say a word about it because Israel. Imagine what the Kurdish diaspora could do with the sort of aid that we're giving Palestine, they've actually got a democracy and are being purged by most of the countries they're in.

The infantilisation of the Palestinian people needs to stop.

Dzhankoi hit last night. The Russians aren't even trying to lie about it anymore. When they write 'large explosions rocked the airfield at Dzhankoi it's probably quite large.

ATACMS or Scalp\Storm Shadow.

8 hours ago, Jareth said:

A little girl died today from heat exhaustion, in Gaza. Had she a hospital to attend she may still be alive. Every single death is a tragedy, and there is only one hawkish country responsible. Israel. 

What I don't get Jareth, is this constant urge to explain everything Palestine does on Israel yet when it comes to the other way there's very little reflection of why Israel is behaving the way it is. As Pro-Palestinians often say 'The world didn't start on October 7th', the same should be applied to this little girl. She's part of a population that have also contributed massively to the issues they find themselves in, be that by electing people who are so obviously corrupt that it's appalling, furthering issues in states like Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon or simply not wanting to change.

How many wars did Palestinian organisations start, urge Arab nations to start, or contribute heavily to the start of?

Obviously the little girl isn't to blame for any of that, but it's about time Palestinians and their backers start looking at ways to move forward. Just like it is for Israel. The world isn't as black/white as you seem to think it is.

Why is it, you think, such little willingness to contribute to betterment for the Palestinian people not just in Israel, but in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman and Turkey? Why is the UN so terribly ineffective at helping the people of Palestine, rather than just propping up an aid-dependent state with very little to show for in the way of anything, except for Islamic extremism and corruption?

How many fouls does Chelsea get away with?

'Big 4' imposter syndrome playing on the ref's mind. #¤%#¤ me Gallagher fouled people all night but no yellow.

"#%"#%¤ Olsen

How is sliding in with two feet showing studs a #¤%¤# good tackle? Jesus these commentators.

This ref. Jesus christ.

Unai needs to get some word to the lads.

Cash touches someone - foul. Chelsea undresses Rogers - nothing.

These commentators are just dreadful. They're such cheerleaders for Chelsea - it's sickening.

Guns don't cut it after firing howitzers, mortars and M70 LAWS in the army in my youth..

In all seriousness, no civilian should ever need a gun apart from the two weeks a year they might be shooting the invasive species called pheasants or reducing the deer pressure in the highlands. And for that you really don't need anything that you don't need to reload after 1 shot.

That Insomnia banger from the 90's tho.

Just now, Davkaus said:

Not only is he shit, he's also a massive word removed.

Over £60m and he has more of an impact bullying strangers in the gym than he does on the pitch. 4 goals in 40 odd appearances.

Yeah, he just got ripped by half the gym accounts in the world. What a douche dunking on an old man trying to get fit. Douchebag. 

Pau casually putting the ball on the cone. Class.

Every time they mention that we're winning it's like they're shitting razorblades, jesus I'm tired of these big 4 commentators.

Halesowen LAD!

I never understood why people finish in hand height like Watkins just then. Why not do a Solskjaer and finish in the bottom corner?