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It's the same old arguments going round and round in circles.  

 

What cannot be disputed is that Lambert has managed to slash the wage bill AND build a team that has year on year improved it's league performance.  From where I'm standing he is doing a superb job.  True, performances are up and down but I would expect this with such a young squad (remember, we had the youngest first team playing in all the top five leagues of Europe last season).  I would hope our target is to finish somewhere between 8th and 13th this season and I would like to think we can achieve this. Next season we will build again.

 

The shit-stirring in the press about Lambert makes me chuckle - the press boys want a crisis club to stick their knives into  - thankfully Lerner and Lambert take no notice.  I just wish some of our supporters would show some nous and not be so quick to bite.

I didn't realise that the season has finished?

"Year on year": compare where we are now to where we were twelve months ago.

There isn't much difference to where we were with Mcleish thought so I'm not sure we have improved any at all under Lambert and let be fair that's a very low yardstick to begin with.

 

I'm pretty sure we have improved since McLeish.

 

It's the same old arguments going round and round in circles.  

 

What cannot be disputed is that Lambert has managed to slash the wage bill AND build a team that has year on year improved it's league performance.  From where I'm standing he is doing a superb job.  True, performances are up and down but I would expect this with such a young squad (remember, we had the youngest first team playing in all the top five leagues of Europe last season).  I would hope our target is to finish somewhere between 8th and 13th this season and I would like to think we can achieve this. Next season we will build again.

 

The shit-stirring in the press about Lambert makes me chuckle - the press boys want a crisis club to stick their knives into  - thankfully Lerner and Lambert take no notice.  I just wish some of our supporters would show some nous and not be so quick to bite.

I didn't realise that the season has finished?

 

"Year on year": compare where we are now to where we were twelve months ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see any of the sack lambert brigade offering proper reasons for sacking him other than home form. We are MIDTABLE were we will probably stay, its a STEADY IMPROVEMENT on the last two seasons. Lambert HAD to buy quantity, because we NEEDED players, and they HAD to be young because WE COULDN'T AFFORD the high wages and fees experienced players command! We are not VIlla challanging for Europe anymore, we are Villa trying to get ourselves out of the mire (This was the situation Lambert INHERITED), you need to get your brains around that! For all the dire football and home results to match he has forge a very hard working team capable of consolidating our position in the league and giving him a base on which to build for the LONG TERM! Lerner will not spend the money required to do things quickly, he tried that already and spunked a 100 million down the drain!

If you look through the threads posters have been able to quote more than home form to substantiate their debate.

Yet no one seems to be able to name a suitable replacement manager.

Suitable to whom though? To you?

Posters have put several names forward but none seemingly were acceptable to the fraternity although that wasn't surprising since it was mainly those who support Lambert who didn't like the suggestions.

Suitable to the club and the way Lerner wants to run the club. I must of missed the suggestions apart from Clarke and McLaren.

There have been one or two others put forward foreign and closer to home.

Personally I think McClaren would be ideal in that he took himself away after the England debacle and has steadily rebuilt his reputation gaining experience abroad and now getting Derby playing some lovely football. With his experience gained abroad I'm sure he would have build up enough contacts there to have a decent scouting network as well and wouldn't be too bothered about working to a budget if he got the opportunity to manage back in top flight football again. I also feel he would get us playing more progressive football than Lambert but that's only my opinion.

However I still think Lambert should be given one more transfer window to get it right with wage outlay now down to a level where we should be bringing more experience quality in but that will come down to budget and Lambert's choice of player, both of which haven't been great so far.

 

McClaren??? - sacked by England, sacked by Wolfsburg, sacked by Twente, sacked by Forest and suddenly Derby has a handful of decent and he's the man for the job? oh dear. It was Steve Bruce you liked for the job, last week I seem to remember.  Don't worry folks, if you don't like this suggestiion there will be another one along in a minute

As per usual VIllaCas you continue to omit facts to suit your debate. Let's have a look at what you've omitted.

McClaren won the League Cup with Middlesbrough in 2004. He then took the same team to the UEFA Cup Final in 2006. With FC Twente he won the club's first Eredivsie Championship in 2009-2010. McClaren was also assistant to Alex Ferguson from 1999-2001 when, if you now remember, Man U won three Premiership titles in a row.

Oh and since joining Derby they are climbing the Championship with hast.

In comparison Lambert has won two promotions and .........?

 

Martin O'Neill pretty much has a CV similar to McClaren's, let's bring him back!   Lambert is the best part of a decade younger than McClaren, at least give him a chance to build something.   Another thing to consider is that, despite some awful results as Middlesborough boss, Gibson stuck with McClaren and, in the end, McClaren became their most successful manager ever.  

The lesson to learn from McClaren's spell at  Middlesborough is to be patient and give your young manager time.  

It's the same old arguments going round and round in circles.  

What cannot be disputed is that Lambert has managed to slash the wage bill AND build a team that has year on year improved it's league performance.  From where I'm standing he is doing a superb job.  True, performances are up and down but I would expect this with such a young squad (remember, we had the youngest first team playing in all the top five leagues of Europe last season).  I would hope our target is to finish somewhere between 8th and 13th this season and I would like to think we can achieve this. Next season we will build again.

The shit-stirring in the press about Lambert makes me chuckle - the press boys want a crisis club to stick their knives into  - thankfully Lerner and Lambert take no notice.  I just wish some of our supporters would show some nous and not be so quick to bite.

Send your kids to a school that has poor teachers and it is likely that they won't do well in their final exams before leaving school for the big bad world.

 

Introduce good teachers that can pass on their knowledge and experience and teach in a manner that suits the kids then guess what!

 

Unfortunately our 'kids' are being taught by poor teachers.

Good teachers need to be given time by understanding headmasters and parents.  You can't turn around a failing school in 18 months.

Just watched Forest vs West Ham and i have to say the difference between that Forest performance and the performances of Villa (except for Villa 6 Sunderland 1) not only recently, but for many years including MON years is amazing!!!!  I have supported Villa since 1974 and now it looks to me that the players reflect the personality of Mr Lambert.  His personality is dour full stop.  He appears to have always had a crushing weight on his shoulders ever since coming to Villa.  This is reflected in the players performances.  Its like they are being constricted by some invisible force, they just do not seem happy in what they are doing!  Is this because of Mr Lambert?  They threw off those shackles against Sunderland at home last season, so throw them off again!!!  Also what Villa need more than anything is someone to ingrain a winning mentality into those players and everybody at the club!!  It cannot just be Ferguson who was able to do it for God's sake!!  If people lived their life with the mentality of Aston Villa the world would be a very dark place indeed!    

He appears to have always had a crushing weight on his shoulders ever since coming to Villa - I disagree.  Check out his press conferences and he always seems to be pretty relaxed and in control of matters.  He never seems down about defeats or too carried away by wins.

 Its like they are being constricted by some invisible force, they just do not seem happy in what they are doing! - At Villa Park, yes, I agree.  This has been the case for the best part of five/six years, though.  Maybe longer.  Villa simply have a real, ingrained, problem of playing at home due to years of under-investment from owners combined with high expectation levels from fans.  I don't think our players have felt comfortable playing at Villa Park since the days of Brian Little and John Gregory (and even then it was hit and miss). Yesterday's result came as no surprise to many as we have seen this type of thing happen loads of times since the days of Big Ron.  A half empty Villa Park with a lower league, unfancied, side taking a huge following and treating the day as a cup final always ends up with an uncomfortable, stale performance from Villa.  A quick fix would be for our manager to be given a huge transfer kitty so he could build a big squad that would allow him to pick strong teams for every league and cup match, home and away.  Confidence for our home games would soon soar and our players would feed off the positivity with the added bonus of being good enough to meet the expectancy levels.

it cannot just be Ferguson who was able to do it for God's sake!!  - Ferguson spent millions, broke many British record transfer fees AND was given time.

Has made the club into a laughing stock. Just watching the egg McDermott at Leeds in his post match interview, least he is honest, PL is just full of shite, no regrets we are out at all.

1) Show us all where Lambert says he has no regrets.

2) Re. Laughing stock.  By this time next week everyone will have forgotten about the Third Round of this year's FA Cup.  This type of result happens, move on.

Shows how weak the league is that somehow we're joint 10th.

All of our wins have been by accident too apart from perhaps Cardiff.

You're right.  Remember current league leaders, Arsenal, being knocked out at home by Blackburn and away to Bradford in last year's cups?  The Premier League is way over-rated.

 

 

 we'll clearly see that next year when a better team sign him

Clearly trying to provoke other people.

Why's that?

I think benteke is quality and i think he will probably be sold in the summer and show that quality at another team. Is that really such a controversial view?

 

Ah! The get-out clause of "probably".  Excellent work.

He's out of form, it happens.  He'll be back.

Lambert's the man for the job.  

I'm behind the manager 110%.

My view is this:

 

No one can condone members of staff of an organization verbally abusing customers, but equally staff have a right not to be abused by customers in their daily work too.

 

I Suspect the club Could discipline Culverhouse, and equally tell the customer, we don't want your business if you abuse our staff.

 

However both incumbents are equally frustrated with the common source, the plight of the team....so my proposal is an hand shake and lets get on with the real business of staying up and let the manager stay focused on the relevant bits we are trying to find a solution too.

 

There are enough fires at B6 lets start by trying to put them out, not start more.

Spot on.

Fair play to Culverhouse for showing a bit of passion.  

I don't quite understand the rave reviews Holtby is getting around here.  He scored a nice goal for Spurs the other week but, beyond that, he has struck me as a pretty mediocre player.

8th-13th

Some of the comments on here are unbelievable in my opinion I have said everything I am about to say before...

 

We are not a massive club! We are a big club in comparison to 80 clubs in the football league but not in the premier league we are a mid table club and that's where we belong for many reasons. The first reason is we haven't won anything of note for over 30 years, think of it like this someone born in 1945 at the end of the war has seen villa win (of note) an FA Cup in 1957 age 12, Premiership (Division 1) 1981 age 36, Champions League (European Cup) 1982 age 37, European Super Cup 1983 age 38, that fan would be 69 this season.

 

In what most would call modern football we have won nothing of note and someone who went to there first game at 10 is 40 this season and has seen us win nothing of note.

 

So why do I bore you about this? Simple our fans keep going on about some god given right for us to CHALLENGE for things. Now for me the above shows exactly the opposite and that our fans shouldn't expect this at all.

 

Next. MONEY! We make the same as every other club in the league bar 5 or 6 teams the reason there is a difference is yes a few clubs have more fans turn up but the real reason is merchandise sales and sponsorship take a look at Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd etc and see where there income comes from and you will see that a massive proportion comes from those revenue streams and simply we don't have it.

 

Lastly on the chairman I am disgusted that our chairman is expected to throw away his money or be vilified by his clubs own fans.

 

My view is this, a chairman should never take money out of a club year on year (fine to make a profit when selling the club) and clubs should spend what they have and that's it. No overdraft, no sugar daddy. Nothing.

 

Sport is about earning it on merit and if you want to do it the same way the others have done it recently then go and support them and be happy.

 

I doubt we will spend anything significant in January and I fully expect us to spend another 20m next season just like we have this season and last the difference will be that it doesn't HAVE to go on 7 or 8 players in future it can be spend on two or 3 players. We will move forward slowly but it will be forward if we carry on down this route.

 

Randy has made mistakes but the moves being made now are correcting them. Suck it up.

All the clubs that have won more trophies than us in the past thirty years have done so through having access to more money than us - nothing more and nothing less.  It's nothing to do with the size of "support" etc. but more to do with the size of the owner's pockets.  Villa are a huge club which has, alas, been hamstrung by having relatively poor/unambitious chairmen for several decades.  If you run a Rolls-Royce on the budget of a Nissan Micra you'll soon find yourself getting into problems.

I remember people around here wanting O'Neill out despite three top six finishes on the spin - hysteria is a funny old thing.  While I can see Villa's form isn't good at the moment I back Lambert and the team to pull through.  Given the resources Lambert has had to spend and the job he is trying to do with those resources I don't think any manager out there would be doing a better job - I'm behind him and the boys 110%.

Well he effectively has said that he considers some fans less worthy of being at Villa Park. If that isn't indicating that you are a better fan then others, I don't know what is?

He hasn't mentioned anything about some fans being more worthy than others, he's simply defining the meaning of "support".  If your team goes a goal down is it better to boo or cheer seems to be the implied question.  Is it better to encourage or berate?  I agree with Wedge and think booing a team you've gone along to "support" is madness and simply helps the opposition. 

OGS and Martinez were invited to be interviewed for the Villa job - neither were offered the job and I'm sure they would have been aware of other candidates being sounded out for the role.  You can't be offered the job if you haven't been formally interviewed.  The same applies to Martinez and Liverpool: he was asked if he wanted to be formally interviewed for the post and he declined.

swap Benteke for Zaha plus cash for us? would any of you take it?

No chance.

A bad day in the office - we simply dust ourselves down and move on.

 

I'd like to see Donacien make his Premier League bow too, but only after we reach 40pts plus.

 

Lambert will throw him in though if he feels he's ready, no question.

 

As there ever been a more bolder & braver Manager than Paul Lambert?

possibly every other manager in the league

 

Yawn.

 

 

You made it seem like you need to spend 10m+ on a player in order to play passing keep ball football, which you dont. 

 

Nobody is asking for a team that can dominate possession every game but simply having more would be good, I think we have the second worst possession of the ball after Hull. Now if that isn't a concern to you it should be.

 

The football we play is awful, its fairly simple to see that. You said lack of resources is the reason we play like this, there are tons of other teams who have spent around the same as us that can at least string some passed together and play football.

 

Yep......they're all below us in the table!

 

 

Id be willing to bet they wont be by the end of the season. Our pass completion yesterday was 48% and if we keep these kind of stats up I cant see us maintaining anywhere near this form.

 

Southampton midfielder Steven Davis completes more passes (109) than the entire Aston Villa side last night (96).

 

Do you not think these were Villa tactics?  Southampton like to press high and get in their opponents' faces and Villa simply played them like a violin.  No matter how many times Southampton scored I felt confident that Villa could go up the other end and get a goal.

Ask Steven Davis how many goals he scored last night.

You made it seem like you need to spend 10m+ on a player in order to play passing keep ball football, which you dont. 

 

Nobody is asking for a team that can dominate possession every game but simply having more would be good, I think we have the second worst possession of the ball after Hull. Now if that isn't a concern to you it should be.

 

The football we play is awful, its fairly simple to see that. You said lack of resources is the reason we play like this, there are tons of other teams who have spent around the same as us that can at least string some passed together and play football.

We know this Villa side can play fast, exciting football - the tail end of last season saw some lovely stuff .  Clearly Lambert has decided to work on getting the team to defend better and to be harder to beat this year.  It's all about priorities, I suppose, and it is clear Lambert wants to get as many points on the board this year as possible.  Lambert's a shrewd guy and I back his judgement.  He's  a year and half into a big rebuilding job and knows what he is doing.