McGregor1888

Lambert won't be leaving and there' nothing on PF's statement to suggest he will, but PF is right we need to stick together and all of us who love the villa and are able to go on Saturday have to give total support during the game, even if it' going badly because turning on them will not end welli

"Turning on the team."  The very expression sickens me.  If any of our overly-sensitive brethren intend to turn up at Villa Park on Saturday with the mindset of turning on the team as soon as the slightest thing goes wrong I would urge them - for the sake of Villa - to do the decent thing and not turn up.  We need 110% backing from the first minute to the last.  The likes of Baker and Bennett need to know that they won't be jeered should they make the slightest mistake. Get behind them and make them feel like the best players in the world. 

It's one thing pecking away with negativity on internet forums, sapping the positivity out of people who want their team and manager to succeed.  Bringing that mindset to Villa Park in order to deflate fellow fans and team alike is another thing entirely.  Moaners, whingers and bottlers stay at home - leave the mighty Villa to the rest of us.

there are a few players Gabby is one Lee Hendrie was one and Darius Vassell was one

 

of hoodwinking everyone in to this I care more, cus I'm a Villa Fan.

 

Alternatively at Liverpool...Steven Gerrard and Jamie Callagher don't imply it.....They show it week in week out.

 

sorry guys...you've been duped.....with an acceptance of mediocrity.....loads and loads of money for a player who is totally inconsistent.

 

stick with the non villa fans like Andy Gray,Brian Little, Martin Laursen,Paul McGrath,David Platt

 

This villa fan thing playing for the club, I've never heard such a lot of old tosh......most of the best players we have ever had never started out as Villa Fans

This just reads as the bitter whining of someone desperate to find a scapegoat.

 

Funny video that which spent a minute looking at the stadium roof for some reason!

 

I actually thought at the end they were chanting "we want Lerner out" but seems it was Lambert on another listening.

 

Which player got booed when he came over as it did seem there were loud boos but couldn't see as the camera was pointing skywards at that point.

 

And Gabby did initially clap before standing on the halfway line just staring into space so hardly storming down the tunnel without acknowledging the villa fans as some were claiming on his thread.

Anything to have a pop huh? i took the video and was filming it at arms length with one hand at that point when whilst watching the reaction but not through the video cam at that time!! it might have been a little shaky but so what?? it demonstrates he has lost the fans.

 

You are first person to have a go at the video!! appreciate the fact that i recorded and was able share this on here with everyone who didn't go the match like yourself!!!

 

If people like Matt Kendrick thought like you do about all but 10secs of at Stadium Roof then it will been classed as garbage and not made Evening Mail's top story on Sports Section right now.

 

How does posting up a bunch of pissed up teenagers singing "You don't know what you're doing!" to the self same man they serenaded less than two years ago help the Villa cause?   They're not the brightest lot are they?

 

 

A point above Swansea still with a game in hand.

Our game against them will be massive

 

 

No excuses if we can't pick up a result. Swansea are in just as much free fall as us.

 

Thankfully we're away from home so the "leave ten minute early" brigade won't be sapping the life out of Villa Park with their odd way of supporting the team.

Things wrong with our club?  

The sizable minority of fans who crack under the slightest bit of pressure.

The sizable minority of fans who turn on our own players when the going gets tough.

The sizable minority of fans who make Villa Park a daunting place for their own team to play in.

The sizable minority of fans who love to talk our club down.

We're three points off eleventh spot, have five games left to play yet we have supporters among us actively want to throw in the towel.   Do us all a favour and just don't bother turning up to Villa Park until next season you're sucking the life out of the players, your fellow supporters and ultimately our great club.  Grow a backbone the lot of you or get season tickets elsewhere.

The biggest obstacle to us getting a win v Southampton won't be the ability of the players or the selection our manager picks on the day, it will be the atmosphere in the stadium and the mood of the fans.  If Tonev plays, get behind him.  If Gabby plays, get behind him.  If Holt plays, get behind him.   It's not rocket science.  Lift the players out of this and support them.

Watch the Liverpool fans today, take a note out of Crystal Palace's support yesterday - positive backing helps.  If you don't think you can do it or if your heart isn't in it simply stay away from Villa Park until next season.

The time to talk about the Chairman, the manager and so on is after the final whistle of the final game - until then get behind ASTON VILLA and help us to get as many points as we possibly can.

 

 

Dunno - Liverpool look like they are running out of steam - can see Norwich getting another win somewhere.

 

Forget the points though - we don't have one player in form at the moment - even Guzan looked ropey today...

 

Haven't they won their last nine games. 

 

 

Yes - I just feel they look they are running out of steam.....very lucky v west ham last week...

 

If Villa were facing Liverpool you'd be saying the exact opposite about Liverpool!

One thing that I've learned over the past few years is that it is impossible to predict Villa results yet year in year out  we get the same tedious doom and gloom predictions.  My favourite example of this happened at the tail end of the Houllier  season when the collective soothsayers of this forum predicted, with know-all certainty, zero points from Villa's final two games v Liverpool and Arsenal...*sigh*...

Everton are successful because they stuck with a manager long enough to develop a coherent squad. They picked a manager who had been successful in the lower leagues and stuck with him even when it looked like he might relegate them in the early years. They continued to give him steady backing season after season until he had a full squad all working to the same plan and pulling in the same direction.

 

Their owner spent modestly, only paying wages and transfer fees the club could afford but the key to their success was the stability they had, not changing managers every few seasons and starting from scratch with each new manager.  

Some people will find all this incredibly hard to understand.  

47% loss rate and the worst home form in the 140 year history of the club and its ignorant to want him sacked?

Laughable really.

Would you have had Graham Taylor sacked in 1988-89?  Yep, I think you would have.

Put down the pitchfork and give the manager a chance to build something.

 

 

I've been through this already before - the barometer of progress should always be league position

This is absolute rubbish and quite frankly sums up your whole opinion.

Points show how we've done over 38 games. The league table shows how we've done compared to everyone else. More teams doing worse than us this season is not an indication that we've progressed. It's nothing to do with us how poor other teams are.

Absolute nonsense.

Apparently spurs are currently 3 points off their best season in the prem at this stage. However they were 4th at that stage, now they're 7th. Do you think they were happier then or now?

 

Don't go confusing the poor lad like that, his head will explode.

Lambert's the man for the job and, in three years time when he is being linked to moves away from the club, the self same people who want him out now will be pleading for him to stay and labelling him "traitor" should he go.  Such is the warped mentality of the football supporter.

I have a hunch that fans like me that was brought up on the likes of Saunders, Atkinson,Taylor,Little,Gregory......are a distraction to this administration..

 

We have an enhanced expectation that they just cannot live up to......Their plan now is to BREED a new fan base to match their managerial skills and rid the club of this notion of trying to succeed....I think they see it as a ridiculous notion, that is beyond our remit.

Saunders, Taylor, Atkinson, Little and Gregory all had to face our booing home support at one point or another too.   Thank heavens the internet wasn't around back in the mid-seventies when Villa had a right old struggle in our first season back in the top flight.   Thank heavens the internet wasn't around when we lost 0-2 at home to Blues in SGT's first game in charge.  Thanks heavens the internet wasn't around towards the end of Big Ron's reign or Little's reign...it's no different now to then.

Get behind the team and see where we are once  the final whistle of the final match has been blown - the time to analyse where we are as a club is the close season.

No, I asked you for a figure - which you didn't give me, so I had to put it together myself from your post and the figure I inferred is a lot higher than I expect we'll spend. I think is a completely unrealistic amount of money to spend for a club of our stature. 

The "stature"of our club dictates we should be spending as much money as any other big club competing for trophies.  I think you mean the "stature" of our owner? (Who has less money behind him than the owner of, say, Leicester City.)

 

 

 

It's a difficult one really this, ideally you get in a good striker in to fill the void but what happens when Benteke comes back.

 

 

Well the bloke always seems to be heading for the exit door to various clubs anyway he will probably come back bag a brace then hand in a transfer request in the following window

 

I've seen/heard no hints about him heading for the exit door this season.  Even his agent seems to have kept very quiet since last summer.

Defo off in the summer - Lambert accepts that.

Epic fail.  This news must have ruined your little moment pal.

A great opportunity for young Callum Robinson and zero chance of Christian being sold.

Defo off in the summer - Lambert accepts that.

Any other insights into what Lambert accepts?

 

 

 

 

In the simplest terms, if we don't beat Fulham, Lambert should go.

Even though we may still be 12th?

Is this a serious question? Our league placing to me is far more determined by the weakness of other teams rather than a mistaken sign of progress. Lambert is making Brendan Rodgers look like a genius in comparison to the rebuild each have undertaken.

Yes Liverpool were at a better starting point and have had better resources than our selves. But Liverpool have had the tougher nut to crack to try and regain top 4 status. Personally I think they look most likely to win the league now too. What an achievement that would be by Rodgers.

Meanwhile we plod along and should but great full for the handful of games our team turns up to. What makes it ever more infuriating is the inability to beat teams on 'our' level. We know the players have the talent because when expectation is low and we are well and truly underdogs we excel against the top sides. This is solely in the hands of Lambert to improve results now.

 

Yes, what an achievement that would be for Rodgers.  He inherited a squad containing the likes of Suarez and was able to offer him 200k a week to stay at Liverpool.  Comparing the job Rodgers has done to Lambert is like comparing apples with oranges. You think cracking top four with a team containing the likes of Suarez and Gerrard is harder than what Lambert has had to do?!  Lambert has had to rebuild the squad of club that was sinking fast with some pretty astute buys on a very tight budget.  Rodgers would have sunk without trace under such constraints.

 

 

Do you honestly believe that Lambert is a better manager than Rodgers?

 

Rodgers showed at Swansea that on a limited budget he is at least as good as Lambert was at Norwich. However I really do believe that there are very few managers who could do what Rodgers has done with Liverpool. Rodgers is hot property and is being linked with the likes of Barca. I've not seen Lambert linked with anyone.

 

Lambert is at best a plodder and until he can get his teams playing consistently then for me the jury's out. For us to progress towards the top 8 we may have to bring in an improvement on Lambert.

 

It's impossible to compare them on what has happened at Villa and Liverpool as they have been operating with totally different levels of resources and remits.  All I know is that Lambert regularly beat Rodgers' Swansea with his Norwich side, often tactically outsmarting him too.   There is an argument that all the groundwork at Swansea was well in place prior to Rodgers' arrival, too.  Rodgers seems to have done  a very good job, so far, but as others are pointing out, it's a very weak Premier League this season and Liverpool are simply profiting from the turmoil and transition at a number of other clubs.  I believe we will grow and develop under Lambert.

 

Amazes me how Liverpool manage to just spend, spend, spend with apparent immunity from FFP whilst we cut, cut, cut because "apparantly" of FFP!

 

Says more about the ambition of the two owners than FFP to me.

 

You make a fair point.  This is a the summer where, for me, Lerner and PF, have to show their real ambition for the club.

 

 

In the simplest terms, if we don't beat Fulham, Lambert should go.

Even though we may still be 12th?

Is this a serious question? Our league placing to me is far more determined by the weakness of other teams rather than a mistaken sign of progress. Lambert is making Brendan Rodgers look like a genius in comparison to the rebuild each have undertaken.

Yes Liverpool were at a better starting point and have had better resources than our selves. But Liverpool have had the tougher nut to crack to try and regain top 4 status. Personally I think they look most likely to win the league now too. What an achievement that would be by Rodgers.

Meanwhile we plod along and should but great full for the handful of games our team turns up to. What makes it ever more infuriating is the inability to beat teams on 'our' level. We know the players have the talent because when expectation is low and we are well and truly underdogs we excel against the top sides. This is solely in the hands of Lambert to improve results now.

 

Yes, what an achievement that would be for Rodgers.  He inherited a squad containing the likes of Suarez and was able to offer him 200k a week to stay at Liverpool.  Comparing the job Rodgers has done to Lambert is like comparing apples with oranges. You think cracking top four with a team containing the likes of Suarez and Gerrard is harder than what Lambert has had to do?!  Lambert has had to rebuild the squad of club that was sinking fast with some pretty astute buys on a very tight budget.  Rodgers would have sunk without trace under such constraints.

Com guessing Chelsea will go for someone like cavani whos inhoppet at psg. Clubs who can offer 25mill+ for a player will get someone better.

I think we will struggle to get even 20 for him

We'll not be struggling to get £20 million for him because he isn't being sold.   I reckon Lambert is more likely to be looking for another striker to play alongside him.

 

 

 

If all we want is to play turgid football while being happy to stay up, we may as well have kept McLeish.

But it's about progression and building blocks isn't it?

 

I personally believe if we can make 2 or 3 quality additions  in the summer our first 11 will be pretty competitive. 

The year after we purchase 2 or 3 quality players and then our squad is competitive.

Same again the year after.

As our squad gets better, the football gets better and we start moving up the table. 

 

 

If being the operative word there. Go back a year and you will find strikingly similar posts.

 

Yeah exactly.

 

Those posts would have been along the lines of

 

Avoid relegation this year

Finish midtable next season

Push on after that.

 

Isn't that what we've done?

 

Escaped relegation last year

Looking to finish mid-table this season

 

 

Or am I missing something? 

 

You are spot on.  

 

 

 

It baffles me that Lambert agreed to come here if he had any idea of the constraints he was going to work inside.

 

 

 

I think it's because he isn't very bright.

 

 

Personal attack because..?

 

 

I don't think he's very bright.

 

Your evidence for such a ridiculous view?

 

You've done it again!!

Fantastic.

Thank you i would like not to be mocking this club, but after watching so many of Tonev's shots leave British airspace at a record rate time's are becoming hard.  I had a thought that if you live in the vicinity of Bodymor Heath then if you were too see those footballs flying through the air you might be worried about your greenhouse windows.

 

Check out how Liverpool's supporters back their team over the next few games ...you'll be amazed at how positivity and encouragement helps sportspeople to perform.