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Pat Murphy mentioned the Scott Parker thing :-

"if O'Neill had been allowed to buy Scott Parker from West Ham for £6m in the summer of 2010 to replace Milner, he might still be Villa's manager"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15999771.stm

Frankly it is very believable given what happened and knowing what our board are like given some of the terrible decisions they have made in past 18 months.

Oh ok then, must be true.

O'Neill allegedly wanted Scott Parker for £6m, the club wouldn't let him, so he fell out with them and left. Then the 'sensible' new the chief exec approves the signing of Stephen Ireland for £2m more and he ends up being farmed out to Newcastle. Then our new 'sensible' chief exec follows it up with the £24m purchase of Bent, twice as much money on a single player than O'Neill ever spent.

There is a hell of a lot of allegedly there.

A normal problem when fans get themselves all worked up and make it seem 100 times worse than it actually is.

You haven't got a clue.

We don't need an owner spending loads of money. It's actually annoying seeing money pissed up and the other club having the better deal. All we need is an owner who can idenitfy a quality manager, knows how how to structure the wage bill so we're not in debt and allow him to grow our scout system.

Look at Newcastle. Haven't spent much and have so much quality.

He wasn't doing any of that during O'Neill.

Was he a terrible owner then, were you moaning about him then?

I'm guessing thats a no.

Go find this owner that can find a quality manager then, they are all waiting there ready to snap up premier league clubs.

You don't think there is any possibility that Learner is actually not that great at running sporting franchises?

His record since owning the Browns is very poor. Is it unthinkable that he might be making a hash of it here as well?

It could be said that our early success was more down to MON acting as a director of football and now without a manager as involved Learner's shortcommings are being exposed.

Most defiantly.

But its not as bad as its liked to be portrayed by some.

One week of Tevez's wages could save them as well.

Football is wrong on so many levels.

FANS upwards.

You haven't got a clue.

We don't need an owner spending loads of money. It's actually annoying seeing money pissed up and the other club having the better deal. All we need is an owner who can idenitfy a quality manager, knows how how to structure the wage bill so we're not in debt and allow him to grow our scout system.

Look at Newcastle. Haven't spent much and have so much quality.

He wasn't doing any of that during O'Neill.

Was he a terrible owner then, were you moaning about him then?

I'm guessing thats a no.

Go find this owner that can find a quality manager then, they are all waiting there ready to snap up premier league clubs.

Right so if we just moan in general about Lerner we are all pissed off he isnt spending money, if people give you specifics you just dodge them with some half arsed comment.

No point then is there................

I have done read!

The simple fact is that the only change from now and when everyone was happy is that he spent money and had O'Neill.

He didn't say what was going on much then, same as now.

We had the so called terrible board then, same as now.

He went to games and missed some games, same as now.

If Randy did two things in January he would suddenly be brilliant manager. Spend shit loads and got rid of the manager.

All the other things people think of to have a go would be forgotten, good owner!

Fans seem to think its easy to run football clubs, balance books, appoint a new manager month by month based on results.

Would you have been happy with Pardew before he went to Newcastle, probably not, would you be happy now properly yes?

He is not going to sack him, just enjoy supporting club and if you cannot then i dunno, read a book.

There is nothing wrong with expectations, but realistic ones. Unfortunately the money that fans are so obsessed with has ruined any history and what it means.

RL has done some good things but he is more than undoing that good now by his constant poor decision taking and his generally poor management of the club.

Oh so he has done some good things as well as bad things, you mean like all other owners not perfect?

Saw this on a mate's Facebook, really good read.

Just think, no matter how bad things are, or are perceived to be for us at the moment, at least we still have a club that's not about to possibly play it's last game ever.

http://darlofc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15733&start=0

Not if you believe some Villa fans we're at that same point!

Fans not just Villa fans need to get a grip, money money money thats it, forget about the actual football.

You really do ignore most things don't you which makes your pathetic moaning at fans even more ridiculous.

My pathetic moaning about pathetic moaners you mean?

You seemed to have ignored all my previous points anyway surprisingly.

I've seen you make comments about how you want to enjoy watching Villa and feel like they are going someone.

What so if thats not the case you wont enjoy it, you wont enjoy being a supporter?

Your not a supporter then and missing the point massively!

Fans not just Villa fans need to get a grip, money money money thats it, forget about the actual football.

My biggest gripe with Lerner is about the actual football though, not the fact he has stopped spending so much money. It's the shambolic nature of the last two appointments.

Again in your opinion, its easy in hindsight and i dont understand either.

But unless he wants to make us shit and get relegated he must have thought there were some merit in them.

Who would have thought Pardew would be doing such a good job before he went to Newcastle, owners have to think past prejudices of fans for an appointment?

Other managers have relegated teams and done well at other clubs, doesn't make sense to me as i said but i doubt they just picked him willy nilly.

Fans dont like to consider that though, its just he is shit, they are shit, the CEO is shit; its like there needs to be some pantomime villain to moan and blame everything on.

When the like of Mark Hughes wasnt even shortlisted there is something rotten at the core of this football club - and at the core are the owner and his appointed officials all of whom have been doing a poor job of running a "football club" since day 1.

In your opinion.

You bang on about running a football club but you have no idea what happened.

Perhaps Hughes was approached but wanted similar controls to O'Neill or something we couldn't offer him, hence why he was not considered.

Its never going to be as simple as, should have got him he would have been good, 100% we didn't so we're shit.

I'm not short sighted, god knows why we appointed Ek he is shit (as i said above and many other times) perhaps he was appointed to make us worse and go down, because that would make sense!

I'm more interested how people KNOW that a new owner will be better

No one does.

Like i said, did you hold this same idiotic view when doug was in charge?

I dont give a shit about Doug, last time i looked he just had an office and a parking space.

I didn't piss and moan claiming the world was going to end because Doug was tight as arse and made up stories.

I had a club to support, sometimes good sometimes bad like every other club apart from the mega rich.

Fans not just Villa fans need to get a grip, money money money thats it, forget about the actual football.

so appointing a string of incompentents as chief exec and to the board (falkner, krulak) and the worst managers since Venglos (Houllier, Eck) arent cause for concern?

Yeah its not great never said it is, but finding a perfect manager is not easy for any club or any manager, a solid one is like gold dust.

Fans shouldn't be trusted though, at the start of the season Arsenal fans were calling for Wengers head with names such as Coyle as a suggestion.

The same Coyle that this season has come a cropper and proven not all that, whilst Wenger has come good again. If they had listened to some moronic fans they would be even worse!

Lerner's decided on Eck, god knows why he is shit, but i dont know what he could or couldn't afford or what basis it may or may not have on the running of the club.

So go ahead sack him, get someone else in that will instantly be good, not piss off any fans/players and cost no money to move all parties around.

Job done.

Saying he is shit get someone else doesn't work in the real world i'd imagine.

Can someone explain why a new owner is automatically better than Randy?

Because they are bound to spend lots of money and take Villa to the top

Ah ok, thank you.

In that case Randy out! New random bloke in!

It's all clear now, you obviously are concerned about Randy's ability to pick the right man, much as everybody else is. It is the only conclusion I can come to that explains your absolute worry about new owners. I guess looking at his recent background for applintments and choices both here and America, it's understandable you'd worry about his decision making the next time a big choice comes along.

Why have you posted that again?

I'm more interested how people KNOW that a new owner will be better?

So quick to want him out for err... threatening the future of the club, asset stripping, not building a decent training ground perhaps selling it, not trying to balance the books and spending will nilly.

Oh.. he has just stopped spending, stopped telling everyone everything (which has never done) and appointed an unpopular manager.

Shit i thought it was something actually serious then, rather than people exaggerating things massively to make it sound worse than it is?

There is no guarantee it will be better but I'd say the chances of ending up with someone who runs the club worse would be unlikely.

Signing someone from abroad to replace dunne or Heskey is not a guarantee that they will improve but it's worth the risk sometimes when it's clear you're going nowhere with what you've got.

And surely it's the ones that don't rate randy that should be worried who he'll sell to. Surely you few that love him and see he can't do wrong would be confident that he'd sell to the right people.

The difference's between getting a players signing right or wrong and getting the owner change right or wrong are massive.

Its laughable that you even compare the two to be honest.

Not wanting Randy gone doesn't mean i think he is perfect or can do no wrong, show me where i have said that without just making it up...

You cannot be fickle about owners like players, far too much is at stake. Like err the existence of the club.

You really have lost the plot as well if you think nobody can be much worse than Randy, how about the owners of Blackburn, who make bonkers decisions left right and centre?

All Randy has really done is try and stabilise the club, got a manager in who vast majority of fans think is shit and doesn't tell everyone every single thing!

If you can only be happy when we're spending money and apparently 'challenging' then there is no point you supporting Villa, because in years to come it might be like that, then again it might not.

Your missing the point of the word 'support' as that would imply you would support them whatever. You seem to only like supporting when money is being spent and you feel like we're going to achieve something. Because if its not then the owner is shit, manager is shit, everything is shit. As shit as Darlington, are their owners on par with Randy, is it really that bad?

Once again what about the hundreds of other clubs, are all their fans miserable and depressed because they feel they are not going anywhere? Are they not happy when their teams scores or wins, obviously not if you were to believe Villa fans!

I hope we dont get bought by Arabs... or anyone tbh. We could end up with a Venkys or someone like Pompey had.

Just stick with Randy, and once he's addressed the wages as much as he feels he needs to, he'll start spending again.

Err if Randy sells up, it will automatically to be someone better with shit loads of money.

The grass is ALWAYS greener.

Can someone explain why a new owner is automatically better than Randy?

Because they are bound to spend lots of money and take Villa to the top

Ah ok, thank you.

In that case Randy out! New random bloke in!

Can someone explain why a new owner is automatically better than Randy?

It does indeed, sometimes players pay off sometimes they don't, happens to all clubs.

I wonder if we could've got a result if we didn't bottle it like we did against united like we were scared .. fair play to Newcastle.

You mean like when we didn't bottle it against Chelsea?

Seems that Sunderland's current form has nothing to do with the honeymoon period of any new manager, just that O'Neill is amazing.

Sounds about right!

No they haven't.

Warner Brothers have denied making any changes.

Barney Ronay of the guardian sums it up well:

When you find yourself fighting furiously for the right to call another man "negro" you've surely taken a wrong turn somewhere

Ah the return of the abuse...

Worried about this.

Footballers are stupid, they'll still be buzzing about beating Chelsea and think they'll walk this.

We wont, it'll be a tricky bugger.