OzyBoy

37 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said:

What did it say

It's been deleted now but something like "Is it too early in the season to start blaming individual players?", then a picture of Almiron, Joelinton, Bruno, and Burn.

They're now claiming it was misinterpreted.

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

Oh dear bruno guimares has had a pop at Newcastle fans who criticised them. These newcastle fans are absolute morons. They should be delighted where they are even if they are just buying success

To be fair, this was one prominent NUFC Twitter account tweeting something stupid, which was almost universally ridiculed. That account has been haemorrhaging followers since, and has finally deleted the tweet, claiming its intentions were misunderstood.

But yeah, some fans are morons.

1 hour ago, bobzy said:

What you're saying should be the case but, as @villa4europe says, the opposite is true.

I reckon most people have changed job in their lifetime.  How many have changed from supporting another football team to supporting Aston Villa?

 

(And @OzyBoy, "rocket polisher" is an auto-censor on the forum for a word which could mean to, er, polish your rocket.  You rocket polisher.  )

Haha yes I see now 

1 hour ago, bobzy said:

What you're saying should be the case but, as @villa4europe says, the opposite is true.

I reckon most people have changed job in their lifetime.  How many have changed from supporting another football team to supporting Aston Villa?

 

(And @OzyBoy, "rocket polisher" is an auto-censor on the forum for a word which could mean to, er, polish your rocket.  You rocket polisher.  )

Did someone say rocket polisher?

27 minutes ago, Rodders said:

 

I've not denied that, I still think people are shit. I think people are shit when they support parties which make this country objectively worse, I think people are shit who are bigoted towards people. I think all kinds of people for various reasons are shit people. Whether they enacting shit things, or making excuses for other people being shit. As other people may well think I am shit for reason, x, y, z. Life is short, and I'm not going to waste time spending it with people who's values are so out of whack with mine. They've made their choice. I'm flexible with most things , I can chat with people who are leftish or rightish generally or have a range of different views on most things. I draw the line at endorsing despotic regimes. For no good reason other than cowardice and habit

You're giving Newcastle supporters, and by extension supporters of any club, and by further extension *most people*, far too much credit - they're not actively "endorsing despotic regimes", they're just passively ignoring it - and maybe that's worse. They simply don't think about it; they're apolitical; politically uneducated, indifferent, and disinterested. If people, in general, cared beyond their immediate sphere of relationships, then you wouldn't have "stop the boats" as a perceived top-5 priority of the British people. But people's views are generally parochial and narrow; what happens around them is far more important that what happens far away.

In the same way that people aren't, generally, interested that their clothes are made by exploited kids in sweatshops, they're not interested in what's happening in the Middle East; it's too far removed from their daily lives for them to care about.

Basically I agree with you - people are shit.

On 19/08/2023 at 23:23, Rodders said:

They can not support the club. It's football it's just a past time. It's meaningless compared to proper issues. Transport and the basics of life is a complex area but that's no excuse to say anything goes with luxuries. There's no necessity to watch football. So no sympathy. **** all their fans. Absolute rocket polishers

Supporting a football club is pretty arbitrary, and generally comes down to a quirk of birth, where you happen to be born. As such, one fan base is substantially similar to any other. Of course there are differences; North London supporters will typically be more middle class than supporters in working class cities like Newcastle or Liverpool, or Birmingham or Leeds. But, as a population, the views represented by Newcastle fans, and their values, will be very similar to those represented by Villa fans.

Individually, you'll have people, much like on this forum, that would rather walk away than support their club if it were taken over by Saudi ownership; and there have been Newcastle supporters that have done that. And that's very commendable. But if you think, en masse, there would be any difference between how Newcastle fans have reacted and how Villa fans would react; or how excited Newcastle fans are now and how excited Villa fans would be, then I think you're mistaken.

When you label rival fans as "morons" or "scum" or "rocket polishers" (and I've genuinely no idea what that means), you may as well label your own fans or, in fact, humanity in general, as the same. Dislike for specific other teams or supporters is basically irrational.

This isn't a defence of Saudi ownership, it's more a recognition that if this takeover had happened to any other club, including Villa, then the reaction from the vast majority of the fans of that club would be exactly the same.

1 hour ago, fightoffyour said:

This lot are shite and they'll end up lower top half this season which is more reflective of their squad.

4 goal win and Targett to punch Howe.

Honestly impossible to tell when people are trolling or not these days.

19 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said:

I still think on paper we are better than them all over the pitch

Luckily the game is played on grass 

26 minutes ago, TRO said:

This could be a real test....my worry is still our Achilles......The ball over the top behind the full backs, for the runners to run on to the crosses.

It has been far too easy in previous games.....stop that, or find a solution, and we have a real chance of something.

Harvey Barnes could be a real thorn in our side on Saturday.

I think we would have seen Schar pinging balls over your high line all day long, but he's unlikely to play, so he'll be a big miss.

5 hours ago, Marka Ragnos said:

Checking out Toon fan forums, here's what I found, FWIW ...

1. They basically think they'll win.
2. They're proud of their bench and think Howe fooled everyone by not playing full-strength in preseason.
3. They call us a "good side" but it's clear they think we're the lessers.
4. Many of them don't think Tonali will start.
5. Miggy-Isak-Gordon to start with Wilson as striker
6. They think they have to score early or they'll not beat us.
7. Our only player who really strikes fear into them is Diaby.

I wouldn't take that as particularly representative. 1 - of course; 2 - first part ok (much stronger bench now), second part nonsense; 3 - yes we think we're a better team, but not vastly better; 4 - I'd be surprised if Tonali starts; 5 - yes, Wilson on bench; 6 - nah; 7 - nah, we've no idea how to handle Watkins, or your passing through the lines.

FWIW Villa are about the last team I would have wanted first match - the type of team we need to beat to be serious top-4 contenders again, but this will be really tough. Our lack of pace at the back is really worrying, and the way Howe had no answers in the 3-0 fills me with dread.

Just now, bobzy said:

I'd say overall yes, but your Saudi ownership has added more of a "really want to beat" than before.  It's not a Newcastle thing - same goes for Man City, of course - but people don't like that you're owned by Saudi Arabia.
 

You're probably already well aware/used to that though  

Yeah, completely agree.

5 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

Exactly remember the "who is the clowns now?" 

They seem abit upset about the sob in the tyne and who is your messiah ant or dec. Also when we relegated them under shearer.

The rivalry is bollocks no one really cares about them. They will prob win stuff but it will be the city way buying the league.

Id rather do ig our way with honourable people like edens and sawiris than blood money from saudi arabia 

I think this "rivalry" is in the heads of a few dozen twitter accounts maybe, on both sides. For the vast majority of NUFC fans Villa are just another team to beat, and I'm sure Villa fans generally feel the same way about Newcastle.

Emery's obviously doing a great job at Villa, as you'd expect really. Big test for Villa, difficult match for Newcastle. I'd take a draw, a win for either side wouldn't surprise me.

4 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

Because we have the clown Southgate in charge picking his mates rather than the best players our thoughts on it are skewed but Guimares went to the world cup ahead of Luiz and it was completely fair and warranted, Luiz has been out of their set up for a while now, take your pick as to whether or not he stalled under Gerrard or actually went backwards

It would be Bruno + Kamara and would be a great pairing

If you then want to look at what Newcastle are doing with longstaff and willock in there too... Bruno walks in to our team, Luiz and kamara walk in to theirs

I'd 100% take Kamara.

27 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

It is, and either way he wouldn't be starting for the next 3 games anyway considering he tried to snap a kid's leg in half.

Nonsense.

42 minutes ago, bobzy said:

Guimaraes seems to be more attacking (not in an actual attacking midfielder way) than Kamara.  In this hypothetical situation, you'd have Kamara holding and Guimaraes ahead of him - and they'd be some pairing, too.  Nice amount of aggression and ability in those two.

Exactly this - Bruno playing as a 6 is great, but he'd be even better as an 8 with Karama behind him. Missed opportunity for us.

9 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Nope.

Well, that's a view I guess.

27 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said:

He'd be very clearly and obviously in a first 11 at Villa, one of the best in the league.

Kamara as a 6, Bruno as an 8 (although Bruno as a 6 would start ahead of Kamara anyway).

2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

I would but does he start ahead of Kamara? Not for me.

I'd play them both. I don't know why we didn't go in harder (or at all?) for Kamara - he's exactly what we need, great player.

On 31/01/2023 at 21:48, StefanAVFC said:

Massive bellend. Fouls so much that he doesn’t get yellows and moans about it when he’s given one. 

TBF you'd have him at Villa in a heartbeat.

Most Newcastle fans I know are completely underwhelmed by the transfer, think we've overpaid for him, but also consider Howe and his team have enough credit in the bank to give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they're right and we're wrong. Only time will tell.

1 hour ago, The_Steve said:

 

 

I pray this is a major wake up call for him. Completely unacceptable stuff. Suitable punishment, though it could have been more severe.