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11 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said:

Yep . Massive thanks needs to go to the set up that is allowing players to thrive . And as you say the depth is extraordinary. I do those back of the fag packet line ups for fun and we have a starting xI that might actually make it

      Bidace               Archer                 Caleb

     Carney                Bogarde            Iroegbunam

Chrisene     Swinkels          Feeney          Kesler 

                             Sinisalo

And thats scary because theres still Aarom Ramsey , Arjan Raikhy   Brad Young  Revan and Louie Barry  that could be in there as well. 

Brilliant work at BMH going on 

Thanks for putting Bogarde in midfield! He was so spectaculair here in the Feyenoord youth on that position! Really hope they won't definitely turn him into a defender

15 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said:

Theres a long term vision to what Villa are doing with their youth players. The position they play at the moment might well be because of a coaching decision to give him a full understanding of defending . The reason Villa got him ahead of others was because we apparently presented based on his weaknesses and how we could improve him . 

Probably see him playing right back at some point as well !!!!

Of course I know all about it,  its perfectly normal to have players posted on a different position to learn other aspects of the total game, you dont have to explain that to a Dutchie  

3 hours ago, MotoMkali said:

Rhaiky is, Iroegbunam is a good b2b although could play as a cdm. But we have players like Lindley as well.

Bogarde played CDM vs Liverpool when out first team was out with Covid. 

Yea, I always saw him CDM here at Feyenoord as well, so impressive, pity to not see him on his best position. You guys should have taken his bit older brother if you wanted a central defender, we lost him as well, to Hoffenheim  

23 minutes ago, MotoMkali said:

I think the issue is that our youth midfield is pretty stacked. To get in he needs to play ahead of chukwuemeka, Ramsey, Rhaiky who all wrre just fantastic at youth level and now we have iroegbunam as well. 

And these are all defensive midfielders??

2 hours ago, AndyClarke said:

 

Bogarde superb on the ball, he will move forward I think but CB a good place to toughen up and learn the game.

I want him back!

So you guys definitely turning Swinkels into a leftback, and Bogarde into a cente-back? Come on man! Bogarde was so impressive on midfield here in the Feyenoord youth!

10 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

@VanGaalsOrangeArmy That's true, it should allow Dutch clubs to keep players for longer, which should be good for the game in Holland hopefully.

For sure, altho 18 is still too young,, but yea, can't really stop it from happening to lose your best players. And of course the big clubs will find a way, make deals with smaller European clubs, as some kind of satelite club, we know how it works. But yea, would be better for our game and competition here indeed if we were able to keep our best players a bit longer. Of course we Dutchies have a certain view on the game and a whole own identity and dna our players grow up with, I want us to stay loyal to that, but it's hard when our top players leave younger and younger and with that, won't develop under the Dutch school

8 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Yeah, it's a Brexit thing. British football clubs cannot sign players who are under 18, unless they have British or Irish nationality; Swinkels and Bogarde were both under 18 when we signed them. It is possible to sign overseas players between 18 and 21, but they need to have played some first team football. I wrote about these rules when they were introduced here (though the post is mainly focusing on the effect on transfers of older players, but it does have a link to the FA's guidelines if you'd like a fuller look):

Ah! Thanks! Well, I understand you see this as a sad thing, but of course you will understand, to us, this rule is a blessing! 

42 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

For me I like the look of both of them, but especially Bogarde. He's very calm on the ball. I'm just sad we have changed the visa rules so we won't be able to pick up any more like these two in the future.

Can you tell me anything about these visa rules? It has to do with brexit or? To protect homegrown players? Any difference for EU or non-EU players? And these rules are for youngsters like him too? He cant be seen as a homegrown players at this young age still?

16 minutes ago, useless said:

Bogarde has done very well, he came into our U18s and played just seven games before being promoted promoted to the U23s when he was still sixteen. He played in midfield for the U18s, and started off in that position for the U23s as well, but was eventually switched to central defence, he's done very well in both positions, so whilst he's being used in defence now I wouldn't be surprised if we used him in midfield again at some point.

Swinkels wasn't promoted to the U23s as quickly as Bogarde, it's only been this season that he's become a regular at that level, but as a seventeen year old he's still doing well to be playing U23 football already.

Both of them made their debuts off the bench for the Netherlands U18 national team last Monday.

Hey guys, thanks for your reactions! Yes, I was quite surprised tho that they weren't in the starting 11 last monday, but hey, we beat Italy with 5-0, so can't say anything against the coach decision  Good to hear they seem to do pretty well then! I follow the Dutch youth a lot, and Feyenoord youth especially, since Im from Rotterdam and live pretty close to the stadium and youth facility, saw van Persie come and go for example  Always pity when our top youngsters leave to Premier League clubs, it happens more and more, and younger and younger, but unfortunately thats our destiny as a small country  From many players the last, lets say, decade, I was the most dissapointed to see Bogarde go, as I said before, and one of you confirms, he is so calm on the ball, so mature. I had games where I just sat there, didn't really pay attention to the game but just followed him, I was always very impressed. And sometimes made me laugh, cause he has this strange and funny body language if you ask me. Kinda looked like he was authistic or something, haha, in a positive way I mean. He looks dreamy but same time know EXACTLY what do to, in almost a nonchalant way. (sorry if I make mistakes in english language). Bleh, wish we still had him! And then a year later, kinda similar player like him but even younger, went from us to Ajax, Good Lord...  Appiah his name, you guys should get him too, so Ajax won't get stronger, haha

Cheers!

Hey guys, Dutch fan here.

Any youth 'experts' here who can tell me how Swinkels, and especially Bogarde are doing? I was a big fan of Bogarde here at Feyenoord Rotterdam, for his age I thought he was so mature with full control on defensive midfield, but I see over there he only plays centre back now in the U23? This is where he played at Villa U18 also?

Cheers!

Greetings from an Orange Lion from Holland!

Visited a Villa game in the 90s and loved the atmosphere so much! Since then I been following Villa a bit more than other English clubs.

Besides this, as a Dutchie, of course Im a big Orange fan, including our youth teams which Im especially interested in. I think this is an interesting time also to follow the Villa U23 team, as far as possible, because 2 hot Dutch prospects, Swinkels and Bogarde, latter I know very well from my favorite Feyenoord from my city Rotterdam. And also curious if El Ghazi keeps playing well in your first team and see if he gets a chance from Van Gaal. I guess this forum a good place to keep uptodate about them!

Cheers!