benfathers

16 hours ago, SpanishVilla said:

Yeah I'm in the UK Ben. I was reading some blogs and websites about the earnings and was finding some of them hard to believe, but I suppose if you are doing it full time every day then it all adds up.

Do you do the casino and bingo offers too? One of the sites I was reading (this one) the guy had hit some big wins with both last year which contributed to his very large overall total.

I'm keen to get going but I also read somewhere that with the Cheltenham festival in March bookies increase the sign up offers that week, is that right? If so it might make sense to hold off and get a bit more cash from them then perhaps?

Yep, I find it hard to believe, but with some big wins, his may be possible. There's better sites to do it on than he recommends. But to be fair, he took action and reaped some rewards!

I don't do the casino and bingo offers as much as Mike's group does. Mine is more an entry into it. You'll make around £500 from my system that gives you enough to upgrade to Mike's club and have money left to keep investing. 

Pre Cheltenham offers have actually already started coming out today, so I would say to get started now, as they offer both reload and sign up offers. Some matched bettors that I know start building their bank now and book a week off work to allow them to fully concentrate on cheltenham and make as much as possible from it. You aim to make £1k in the week of Cheltenham without any sign up offers. It's one off (If not the) biggest matched betting event of the year. Lots of fun, get involved!

15 hours ago, SpanishVilla said:

Have looked in to the websites you have recommended and also been reading about matched betting in general. Have to say I'm amazed I haven't known about this until now.

If you've got a fair bit of time to put in to it each day, what's the ceiling of the amount of money you can make every month? I'm going to get started with it and see how I progress.

Hi SpanishVilla, 

Are you from the UK? I have to ask because if you are based in Spain, then I don't think you can make nearly as much as in the UK unfortunately. 

If you are from the UK, then you are good to go! The amounts vary quite a lot. The most I've seen someone earn in a month is £4,069. A guy called Tom in Mike's group made this. You can visit that link and scroll down to see his spreadsheet earnings per month for 2 years. He managed over £50k in that time. This is exceptional I'd say and full time. 

So, maybe £500 a month is easier to first aim for... Something like this. See it as an extra side income at first. 

Update:

There's now a video on www.matchedbettingblog.info that Briony has done after her first month's experience with matched betting. If you are still on the fence because you are sceptical, this might be the push you need.

There's still time to get on this weekend's bets and make some easy money!

www.freebetchallenge.co.uk

13 hours ago, DK82 said:

Has anybody had any luck with this? I've already got accounts at a number of bookmakers, so this probably isn't for me - although I guess there might be some I haven't used- I am talking about over a 5/6 year period, so it's hard to remember.

It's fine if you already have several accounts, I would definitely say to still give it a go. Remember the sign up bonuses are just the tip of the iceberg. If you had 20+ online bookmaker accounts, it would still be very much worth doing. If you ended up joining the 10k club thing, you will see other people in the Facebook group who have paid for their wedding with this.

13 hours ago, sexbelowsound said:

To be fair i've watched the videos and its a fairly simple system.

Could have done it today by betting first on the Everton vs Swansea game and then used the free bet on the Arsenal vs Chelsea game which would have had me roughly £9.50 up.

I'm almost certain it works but effort.

Well done on taking some action and watching the videos.

Yep, it's exactly that... It's takes some effort but it works. I personally enjoy it. So it's a hobby that I get paid for. 

11 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

I've made £100 in the past week.

It's a fairly simple system.

A lot of my profit seems to come from cahback offers though. About half of what I made came from signing up to sites through topcashback.com

It's a lot of work though (or at least it seems it to me). I made £6 on the Villa West Brom game and it probably took me an hour of setting up accounts and figuring out what I was doing. It would obviously get quicker once you got used to it, but that's not much of a reward

But yeah, the system clearly works. I'm just not sure I can be bothered to keep it up.

Great stuff.

Yep, it's up to you really! You can make about £190 off of the Bet365 opening account offer. We just start with the smaller sign up offers and work up to the bigger ones, so you can build your confidence and your bankroll. 

5 hours ago, DK82 said:

Cheers. Think I might give it a go. Getting married this year and costs are rising so every little helps 

Absolutely!

3 hours ago, sexbelowsound said:

I actually think that's a good thing. Make some money and then get out because eventually I see this being a system where people that don't get out develop an addiction to it.

16 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said:

Yeah I agree with that, I'd just worry that some people would become addicted to the feeling of winning and think they could transfer that over into actual betting.

Yep, if you think you are going to get addicted to gambling, then don't do it.

Some people get quite fanatical about the matched betting (As you've seen from myself), but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

39 minutes ago, Kingman said:

Arb betting is not a skill lol!.. & To make £250 how quick?.. and from how much?

Arbing with free bets. So it's easier and more profitable. 

However long it takes to open up 15 online bookmaker accounts and do 2 bets with each of them. Need £25 to get started.

24 minutes ago, limpid said:

@Kingman I've no idea what you are trying to accomplish here. @benfathers has explained exactly what he's offering. If it's not interesting to you, please stop trying to take the thread off topic. Thanks.

Cheers, limpid! 

I didn't want to keep repeating myself, but didn't really know how else to deal with it.

Just now, Kingman said:

Well I'm eel land truly lost know, 

So what exactly do folk get within the 30 day free trial if its not tipping advice before they sign up?

They learn a skill, how to do matched betting right from the start. They make £250+ from it regardless of the outcomes of the events that we bet on. Then they have the option of going on to Mike's club to earn a heck of lost more than this.

1 hour ago, benfathers said:

Thanks, but I simply don't offer tips. This is not the service that I offer. I've never been much of a risk taker. 

My service is an introduction into matched betting. Not a tipping service.

If you want to provide a tipping service, my company can proof your tips for you and if it's profitable then we can sell your tipping service if you like. 

My system is free to sign up to. You can see the weekly bet that I update each week on Tuesday's on the homepage at www.freebetchallenge.co.uk. You make about £50 profit from this initial offer from free bets and cashback (If you do not have accounts with these online bookmakers).

Then you can sign up as a free club member. This gives you all the basics of placing your first bet online and teaches you how to make money from free bets without risk. You will learn how to exchange your first 5 bookmaker free bet sign up offers into money at this level.

After this, you can upgrade to VIP Club level, where you get 30 days for free and then it costs £4.95/month if you want to continue (Cancel anytime with 1 click). The VIP Club level gives you a bit more training plus access to about 10 more bookmaker sign up offers.

Once you have completed them, you will be around £250 up. 

You then upgrade to Mike's service that you mentioned for £97+VAT (Just a bit less than £120). This is not my system. I purely recommend it for 2 reasons. 1 is that I get a commission if you buy it via my website. 2 is that it is genuinely great and you will make much more than this if you take action on it. This isn't 30 days free. You pay upfront for this and if you are not happy for any reason, you can get a refund for it within 30 days. At the level you are at, it sounds like you should jump straight to this level. Other people who are new to it, should start at my level. 

I hope this helps explains it all. 

Neither, mine nor Mike's service are tipping services of any kind. 

1 minute ago, Kingman said:

No please don't run away so quick, Apologies accepted.

You say you give a 30 day free non obligation trial for the first month so what you got to fear. 

You put up you're suggested free tips for 30 days and illl put up mine, then we can compare notes.

Surely this is an opportunity Not to be missed for you're £10k club promotion touting! 

Thanks, but I simply don't offer tips. This is not the service that I offer. I've never been much of a risk taker. 

My service is an introduction into matched betting. Not a tipping service.

If you want to provide a tipping service, my company can proof your tips for you and if it's profitable then we can sell your tipping service if you like. 

11 minutes ago, Kingman said:

Mug Betting? 

I tell you what Ben, lets start another thread as if it were your suggested 30 day free non obligation trial. 

You put up your free 30 day tips on Sat-Sun against my mug betting and the Lowest Mug will donate all the profits to Villa Talk and Charities of Limpids choice! 

£100 level stakes!..

Apologies, I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone with this comment. I should have said "Non matched betting" bets. 

I don't gamble, so I'll have to pass. I genuinely wish you the best of luck with your bets though!

Just now, Stevo985 said:

A lot of my profit has come from cash back offers to be fair.

The villa match has only given me a £6 profit after the free bet. Seems like quite a lot of work for such a small profit.

It does get quicker and easier, but it's more down to you whether you want to continue doing or not. 

Either way, thanks for at least giving it a go!

Just now, snowychap said:

The use of terms like 'mug betting' to cover all non-matched betting pisses me off, I'm afraid.

I'm not denying that there are mug bets and plenty of mugs betting but there's a level of arrogance in using terminology in the way in which you have here (including calling matched betting your 'industry') that certainly lessens the sympathy I might have when I hear about matched bettors getting gubbed.

Sorry - I didn't mean it to come across that way. If people are searching online, they will come across the term and this is what they call it. 

2 hours ago, snowychap said:

It's not just sign-up bonuses, though, is it? There are the C4 race offers (3/1+ winner gets you a freebet on Betfair, 4/1+ on 365, for example), the faller offers, the second to the SP fav, the extra places available on certain races and so on.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't do the matched betting thing (or arbing) nor am I recommending it (or signing up to anyone's website) but I do have a look at the MSE forum for any bits of info about freebies and offers (especially valuable at Cheltenham - less so at other big festivals) and there appear to be a fair few people on there involved in it. It's a little more than just the potential benefits from the sign-up bonuses and, in response to your 'win some lose some' comment, it's not supposed to be about gambling, is it? The point of matched betting is to not* gamble, isn't it?

 

*Intentional

Yes absolutely. Lots of offers. There will be lots coming up for cheltenham horse racing festival and the grand national in March/April. 

There's a lot more to be made than from the initial sign up bonuses. This is the tip of the iceberg. 

Yes, matched betting is not gambling, as we cover every possibility to convert free bets and bonuses into money. As Kingsman, is simply gambling or "Mug betting" as we call it in our industry. I personally do not do this and therefore would not personally recommend it. 

2 hours ago, Kingman said:

The guy is arbing football matches so has Nothing to do with free or recoverable horse bets, 

The point i was trying to make if i didn't do it very well was, As soon as you're signed up and exhausted you're free bets then unless you play with weekly real money and not wooden dollars then the free bets are few and far between or of any significant value.

Like i said on the other page and has since been admitted, The main ploy is just a Fishing exercise for folk to build up a couple hundred quid and then hand over £120 of it to Uncle Mike. 

Yes - it can be done on horse racing or football matches... or golf or anything really, it doesn't matter. I just do football betting to get people started, as it's something most men in England are familiar with. So it makes it a bit easier to get started with. It's irrelevant what you actually bet on to be honest. You just need to bet on something to convert your free bets into money.

You have to use your money from day 1 to get free bets. You place bets with your money, make a small loss to get access to free bets. Then you place the free bets to convert them into money... Thus making you an overall profit each time that you do this.  

Yes - I have always been open about the fact that I make £4.95/month if you sign up to my service and stick with it after your initial 30 free days of VIP club access. You can also buy Mike's system through my link, which I will receive a commission for, but you do not pay any more money than you would do otherwise and I also give a bonus to people who purchase through my link as a way of saying thank you. £120 for 1 year's access to Mike's service is amazing value. If you can't make more than £10 a month profit from all the advice and offers that are shared on his website and in their 5,000+ Facebook group, then you can get your money back within 30 days of purchasing. If you took action after purchasing, then it's basically impossible to not make at least this. 

To be clear, it's not really gambling though. We aren't guessing who is going to win a football match or horse race. It doesn't matter who wins, it's irrelevant. We just use things to bet on to get free bets and convert free bets into money. Just like if Amazon gave you a free £10 voucher each week... would you take it? If the answer is yes, then you should be doing matched betting. You can get alot more than £10 worth of free bets each week, which are exactly the same thing as money to us. 

11 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Well, I've done this for a week and I'm already £100 up...

 

#endorsed

Great work and thanks for being the guinea pig of the forum and giving it a go.

Stick with it and go through all your sign up offers. Once you have done them, you can reinvest about £120 of your profits if you like to join the 10k club thing. They have the guy off the lad bible in their 5,000+ Facebook group in that club and it will take you to a whole other level. My system is mainly to let you prove to yourself that it's a genuine opportunity and give you enough profits to upgrade to this, so you can start making some real money. 

Thanks again and if you need any help, please do, just ask!

Do you guys use Smarkets for your big bets? If not, why not?

I'll try to bring the thread back around to the OP, matched betting. 

Although £10k a year now doesn't now seem that much compared these big bets you guys are doing. I don't really do gambling myself, just the matched betting stuff. I've just never been a risk taker I guess.

Still time to do this weekend's bets if anyone is new to matched betting and up for giving it a crack!

www.freebetchallenge.co.uk

2 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

"Business decisions" they say. Just intrigued as to what figure they start to seriously take notice of and then act.

It's actually a bit more complicated than this. They is a lot of research on it online. They are just as interested as to what you are betting on as to how much money you are making and whether you are making a lot of "Value" bets. Value bets are when a bookmaker wrongly prices the odds on a certain selection, in favour of us, the punter. If you are constantly betting on these, then it's a red flag on your account that will make it get looked at. 

If you are betting on favourites and football accumulators, then you could probably win as much as you like as you generally do not get good value on this type of bets. 

This is just the basics of it and you can read more about it. But it's a good starting point.

22 hours ago, Kingman said:

Ben, 

I Agree fee bets never dry up i get a couple hundred quid a month in free bets. But you only get back a small percentage of the real money you put in, Even for your back, lay or draw system will depend on the percentage of the book. Even if dealing in real money and not small amount of wooden dollars!

I get £100  a week from PP. (Use weekly)

Used to get £100 a week from B265 till they closed my account. (265 being amount of days website works) (Did use weekly)

£166.66 a month from Ladbrokes. (Haven't a clue why that figure) (Still Use weekly)

Sky bet restricted my account along with VC & Corals so i no longer use them (So don't get offers because i don't invest) 

9/10 Betfred & totesport refer me to trading whom either cap the bet or will only offer SP. (so usually can't be arsed as know whats coming) Again no free bets because i don't trade with them! 

W Hill, SJ & Boyles… Use as a rare back ups if they have a bigger price or extra place market. (Again No free bets because i don't spend real money with them)

Betfair, Use the lay market but generally I refuse to pay a percentage of winnings so avoid. (Again No fee bets)

As you can probably guess i a trade a couple of quid a week to get such free bets, So once you're signed up and in the bag unless you invest you're own hard earned cash daily/weekly I'm sorry but weekly free bets simply do not exist. Don't get me wrong You might get the odd email say "Hello we haven't seen you for a while so we've put a little welcome back offer in your account" But thats it!

Thats Real money Not wooden dollars, so for claims someone to be making £10k+ year around £200 a week from wooden dollars without investing in the queens head i find wide of the mark. 

 

 

 

Sounds like you are doing pretty well there mate!

William Hill gave out a lot of football in play free bets in December to all accounts, you should have got those as well. Bet365 (or 265 as you call it lol) gives out a heck a lot of free bets and value on their horse racing each week, especially on the weekends and for special events. In fact, Skybet, William Hill, Bet365, Ladbrokes, Betfair, Race Bets and SportingBet all give out weekly offers on the horse racing. 

Then you can also make money from casino offers and bingo offers. There is a lot you are leaving on the table if you aren't doing these as well. 

£10k+ a year is a decent sum. There's a Facebook group with over 5,000 people in, where you can go and see plenty of people making regular money and have joined the 10k+ club. Sign up to Mike's Profit Maximizer if you want to see for yourself. The website is pretty cheesy, but it is the real deal. It cost about £100 + VAT to join... Comes with a 30 day money back guarantee if you wanted to try it. This offer is obviously open to anyone, but I'd recommend to first do my www.freebetchallenge.co.uk so that you can learn the basic skills and earn enough profit to reinvest into Mike's club out of your profits from the bookmaker sign up offers that you will convert into money from my site. 

18 minutes ago, Kingman said:

 

Very much this, When the free bets have dried up its counter productive, so If you don't gamble don't sucked into it. 

Opening several betting accounts to win a couple hundred quid may seem fantastic to some as they can't see the wood for the trees.

However when the moneys gone, Sooner or later most will end up chasing your winnings. 

If it wasn't for fast women and slow horses… 

Free bets will never dry up. The sign up offers are just a way to get paid for learning how this works. 

Every week, free bets are given out from existing accounts. 

But, it's a good point you make. If you think you will end up gambling from it, then don't do it. 

If you stick to the system, then it's fine. If you think you will gamble then don't do it. 

11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

That's the thing I'm struggling to see. Once I've signed up to 20 odd betting websites and have exhausted their joining offers, where do the winnings come from?

Yep - There are daily offers given out to existing accounts for casino, bingo and bookmakers that can be bet with to turn into money.

7 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said:

I guess if you can accept that its free money for a bit of work but eventually it'll dry up then there shouldn't be a problem.

Also I can't imagine there is more thrill in this so the addictive factor might be limited.

However, the claims on that site that people can make up to 10k per year seem a bit far fetched unless @benfathers would care to explain how this thing is none exhaustive. 

As above really. It never dries up, but it does take the time to open accounts and place bets. 

I honestly see it completely different to gambling. It's just a matter of placing bets to exchange free bets into money.

It's completely genuine. The average person stays on the fence and never gives it a go. Some people try it and give up. Some people go on to make £10k+ per year. You can see for yourself in the ladbible article with the guy who gives £1,000/month of his money from this to charity. It takes time and persistance to get to this level though. To make the £10k+ a year, you have to really get into it and be ready to learn a new skill. It's not for everyone. It is definitely for some people though. 

The best advice would be to simply try it and see for yourself. You'll never know if you never try. 

12 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Got my winnings and placed my free bets for this weekend.

My free bet at William Hill didn't materialise though. Dunno what happened there

Not to worry, still £16.35 up before I even get any winnings from the villa game.

Well done Steve, I'd contact William Hill if I was you. If it's a new account with them and you deposited and placed £10 with them you will qualify for the 2 x £10 free bets.

11 hours ago, rodders0223 said:

 

34000 posts to gain our trust then give a sales pitch with your buddy.

Now that is what I call the long con

Haha, very impressive!

11 hours ago, TrinityRoadSteps said:

Can you bet on tennis matches. Sounds like there's money to be made there 

It doesn't matter what you bet on to be honest. We are effectively just betting on heads and tails of a coin. It doesn't matter if it's a 5p, 10p or pound coin. It's all the same. Just a way to convert free bets into money. 

11 hours ago, claretman said:

Matched betting and using bookie free bets has been around for a while now, it really is an easy way of making risk free money. I've been doing it for yonks-I've already made £20 on the Liverpool game tonight no matter what the result is.

I have no affiliation to anybody and don't know what Ben is looking at charging or offering but I got started using Bonus Bagging by Mike Cruickshank,  If you have no idea what you are doing then research it; there's nothing but glowing reviews.  You receive emails spoon feeding you the bets you need to make.  Easy to make £500+ with little effort.  

If Ben is a Villa fan offering a service that rivals this then great, but that product will take some beating IMO.

Thanks claretman, Mike is an absolute legend. There's usually at least 1 other matched betting enthuisiast on a football forum... You took your time didn't you to back me up haha. 

Yep, Liverpool game was a good one! December was a great month as well huh? 

With regards to my service. Mine is just a bit cheaper than Mike's bonus bagging and really focuses on people getting started. It's pretty much the same thing... A way to get people introduced to matched betting. Both are great. 

11 hours ago, sexbelowsound said:

Just when I thought this couldn't get any less legit the second accomplice comes along.

Haha, you could otherwise, try it yourself and see for yourself that it works? But I'm guessing that isn't going to happen. 

10 hours ago, claretman said:

Ha Ha!  I've been a lurker on this site for years!  No accomplice-just letting fellow Villans know that there is a bit of extra money to be made if you want it!  I'm selling nothing!

It's always the same, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!

To be fair, people from this forum have signed up and are doing it, who aren't commenting on this thread but have read it and decided to try it out for themselves. 

10 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Seems a lot of work, this.

I'm already confused and I've only done two bets!

Like anything new, it gets easier if you hang in there. You can follow Briony, who is a few weeks ahead of you if that helps. Her blog posts are on www.matchedbettingblog.info

Hey guys,

Just to let you know that I've updated the home page www.freebetchallenge.co.uk for bets this weekend if any of you are new to it and fancy giving it a bash. I know there is several of you that have started now, but I'm sure there are still plenty of you who haven't!

1 minute ago, Stevo985 said:

I think I'll place my free bets and then repeat your method with Smarkets at the same time.

Rinse and repeat.

Yep, that's perfect. 

Rinse and repeat - Couldn't have said it better myself!

16 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Got it.

So really you could group the bookies into groups of 3 and do them all on one match? If you had the time and inclination to do it? (Im not going to, just saying)

I'll let tonight's game plan out and use my free bets and then get involves with the bet exchanges next week

Yep, you could do it that way.

It's actually better to do it with Smarkets as I explain in the members area, it will make it easier in the long run and you'll make more money.

Good plan. By now the match has taken place, so you can place your free bets from today. If you need any help, just shout!

14 hours ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said:

Rather than using Coral, Laddies, Betfair etc, could we have an example using three much lesser known bookies?

I'm too lazy to find them/think for myself.

Cheers. 

Haha, how about I meet you half way, as it takes me a bit of time to type everything out for a new bet. It's quite a lot of work for 1 forum that is generally not that interested in what I am showing.  

If you sign up to my members area and get your free 30 days upgrade, then you can pick 3 bookmakers that you want to use and I will tell you what to bet on to convert the free bet into money if you like. 

14 hours ago, VillaChris said:

How come you never mention Bet 365 Ben?

That's actually the one online site I use as I find their website easy to read and follow plus you get live feeds of most of the european leagues and FA cup.

I get a free 5 quid bet about every 2 weeks, go on Ben make me a millionaire from that.

Good point!

I do mention it, it just comes later, as it's such a valuable one. 

We don't really look at these kind of things, we just look at free bet offers and how much money you can make from each online bookie to be honest. You can make about £180 from their sign up offer alone. Then you can make regular weekly money from bet365 as they have £50 free bet offers each weekend on the horses. A very profitable bookmaker for us and worth £1,000+ per year. I just don't want to teach people to run before they can walk I suppose!

You can get much more than 5 quid a week from them, but it's never gonna make you a millionaire I'm afraid!

1 hour ago, PieFacE said:

**** it - i'm getting involved. 

Good on ya mate! I'll be here if you need any help.

2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Yeah I watched them. Think I get it.

Let me know if you need any help. 

I can walk you through your first one using the calculator if you like. 

You could for example. Open an account with betfair, that link will give you 3 x £10 free bets for your first £10 bet with them. 

You could bet on the match tonight on swansea with betfair. Then you bet on the draw and watford with smarkets bet exchange. Use the calculator to tell you how much to bet on the outcomes. 

Then you'll get your free bets, that you can bet on the villa match this weekend to make more profit. 

If you want to do this, let me know and I can even figure out the amounts that you have to bet and profit etc for you.

14 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Erm, ok. So what happens next week? I just do the same thing I just did but with new bookies? Or add in the bet exchanges?

Try to take 30 minutes or so to watch the videos in the members area if you can. It'll help you understand everything much better. 

Then you pick another bookmaker to bet on Team 1 with. Then you use Smarkets bet exchange to bet on the draw and Team 2 with. This way you can return the exact same amount of profit whatever happens in each match. 

Then you can just keep repeating it as much as you like, to work your way through all of the sign up bonuses. 

8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Followed your advice. It's a bit different than what your website says though. That's all about bet exchanges and free spins

Excellent, please share your results with the forum. And well done on taking the first step. 

Yep, this is the starting point, like the example at www.freebetchallenge.co.uk that I update each Tuesday. 

When you sign up, you will watch videos to do the same thing that you have just done pretty much. Except you will use bet exchanges to make a bit more money from it basically. You have pretty much done the first post of the www.matchedbettingblog.info example but used William Hill instead of Skybet. 

The free spins are an added extra that let you make money from online casino free spins that they give out. I haven't mentioned it on this forum, as it's not been the most "Up for it" one lol. You should do them though. I did this same thing on another forum and got a completely different reception. 2 guys won from their free spins. £380 and £150. It's takes some time signing up the casino accounts, but it's completely risk free winnings if you have the time.