babyblue

20 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

Thing is for us, having Jack in the team for 2 seasons and maybe try and sneak promotion via play-offs (unlikely but who knows) will be way better for us than having £15-25m in the bank now which would go towards playing McCormacks wages. Even at the risk of him leaving for free after the 2 years. He's an academy player and cost nothing other than time and wages. 

There's a lot of players we should be accepting low-ball offers for, Jack isn't one of them. 

Yeah, absolutely understand that point of view. It's the same view I'd take on someone offering £20m/£30m for Vardy, great money for a 31 year old. But he's a 20 goal a season striker, how could we replace him unless we got very very lucky. Boils down to the financial pressures doesn't it really and whether you're in the position to even make that sort of decision.

The offer is exactly in line with what I suggested, your best hope is a bidding war. Would be utterly amazed if anyone offered anything north of £25 including add ons. Which of course you are entitled to reject or ask for more of course, but it won't get paid IMO.

So the view will need to be taken that if he's not going to sign a new contract or you can't afford to offer him a lucrative one... is £15m / £20m / £25m better than £10m or less next summer, if as a few have said he'll only have a year left It's exactly the situation we're in... we see CB's going for £75m so we value Mahrez at more. But nobody is willing to pay it, so our choice is to take £65 / £75m now or accept that we'll probably lose him for £25m / £30m next summer.

16 hours ago, DCJonah said:

What's the point in being a fan, if were actively looking to get rid of a once in a generation academy product to just pay the bills? Is that what football has come to? 

Its shambolic and an utter disgrace that we have been run so badly that it comes to this. 

Welcome to the world of football outside of the premier league. Excluding a handful of clubs at the top end of the championship, this IS life for all football league teams.

This isn't looking down or sneering, this will be the reality for Leicester again at some point. Perhaps I'm just more used to that existence having spent a good chuck of time down there, where you've done well to keep out of it pretty much.

1 hour ago, Jareth said:

Damn it, should have said that more quietly.

Ha... good luck to you whatever happens. Apologies for upsetting a few people, I didn't post to antagonise anyone. But reacted badly to a few people taking a pop at me, or attempting to make out I was being disingenuous.

On 12/06/2018 at 10:46, Jareth said:

I hope it's true, if only to shove it up the rear entrance of that Leicester fan @babyblue

Not... Happening.

On 01/06/2018 at 17:40, Hoof hearted said:

If rumors turn out to be true, Leicester will be "doing a Grealish" with their £60m for Mahrez and paying off FFP fines with it anyway lol.

I wish the club would quash these lazy journalism rumours, just a "he's going nowhere" on the official site would nip the WUMs in the bud at least, all they do is turn his head and feed his agents ego ffs.

What rumours would they be? We'd paid a £3m fine and that's the end of it.

On 01/06/2018 at 13:08, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Grealish has played in the Premier League, and equally destroyed Liverpool in the FA Cup semi final a few years ago.

Either way, i'm pretty sure as already discussed the majority of us don't care what other clubs or fans think the "Fair market rate is", as we don't want to sell him.

There is a difference between performed at and played at. He's only had 1600 minutes at that level, you only started him in 7 games and 9 games, so that suggests he wasn't performing at that level.

On 01/06/2018 at 14:16, 8pints said:

I remember his scoring a cracker in the Premier League.

 

I'm surprised you don't remember that one considering how you went on to win.

On 01/06/2018 at 14:21, Eastie said:

Was against a half arsed  little club  though

What was the score that day?

57 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

you forget that the market is determined by what the player is worth to the selling club not the buyer, Leicesters valuation of mahrez has no bearing on our valuation of grealish, maybe what you should be asking is why if villa value jack at £40m do leicester only value mahrez at £60m? the answer to which will probably be something behind the scenes based on his reaction in january and maybe gentlemans agreements based on city coming back in

Is it because the people coming up with the Villa figure are delusional? Take away the mental transfers of Neymar, Coutinho and VVD (all linked) £60m is a great price. Sallah was £35m after banging in goals galore in Italy. English player proven in the premier league go for £30m ish, not championship players.

Reality of the Championship soon bites I'm afraid, with FFP and SKY TV money, few clubs could turn down any reasonable offer for their best players. Whether you are Villa, Leeds, Leicester, or Derby. Will Hughes was a very decebt championship player, cost £8m. Strikers banging in the goals every week, £13-£15m. That's the reality of the championship marketplace. If you'd only just come down, nobody would be able to buy him as you are in a decent position thanks to the parachute payments. But eventually clubs have to cut the cloth.

28 minutes ago, holteend1982 said:

Andy Carroll 35 Mill, Shaw 30 Mill, Michael Keane 30 Mill, John Stones 47 Mill, Jordan Pickford 30 Mill. Being young and English and having a bit of potential costs a lot! 

All of whom had performed at premier league level. Now name a promising championship player who has gone for those fees?

57 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

You might be right in the end, but coming on here and pretty much gloating (regardless of whether it was your intentions) over us about our star player after the week we've had, is equally nauseating and frustrating. 

Could you point out where I've gloated about anything? I've discussed his valuation, nothing else.

1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said:

Just hurts to be mocked and looked down on by fans of tinpot clubs such as Leicester and Fulham. Not going up sucks.

Nobody is looking down from what I can see, just that very few think he's worth anything close to the reported numbers, for all the reasons I outlined yesterday.

Thinking you'd get £30-40m is laughable, I'm sorry it just is. We're losing out best player, the best player we've ever had, a player who gets bags full of goals and assists at a higher level whilst in a defensive team, a PFA player of the year... for £60m. Your numbers just don't add up, the market as you seem to see it, we do not.

You are within your rights to ask for however much you want, everyone else is also free to say he's worth nothing close to that. I know it's emotive with him, he's a fan we all adore that sort of player when they come through, but the market hasn't moved on as much as you seem to think it has.

1 minute ago, rodders0223 said:

Having Leicester and Fulham rans lording over us.

Don't let them see you hurting boys.

Don't let them...

 

...see you hurting.

No lording fella, football is swings and roudabouts. We'll be relegated at some point and you'll be promoted and you'll be taking our managers and players again just like you have done in the past. That's football.

2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

You do realis to us this is like someone offering you 25 mill for Mahrez and Leicester taking it right?

It seems you fail to recognise these things are not only dictated by perceived market price.

The willingness of the player to go, the value of the player to the club (monetarily and otherwise) will have a huge part to play.

Aside from the fact it would more than likely piss a load of fans off and lose us revenue.

Ironically our "financial situation" might be a huge reason we need to keep him.

Oh no, I recognise all of those things and I've taken them into account. Anyway, last post.

Again, good luck.

1 minute ago, Jareth said:

From leicestershire or a club with ambition? 

Nobody will pay more than that.

Anyway, I've dominated this thread enough. Good luck next season whatever happens.

4 minutes ago, Rodders said:

@babyblue I think most of what you say is fair. For us it all depends on the devil in the detail of how bad FFP is. I, personally assume he'll be gone,  But £20m would be the starting point ( with add-ons ) etc. If we can keep him, then I guess things aren't quite so bad, but there is always a lot of bluffing PR nonsense with these sagas. 

I'm a bit out of the loop on all the FFP stuff now as I know they've changed the rules a few times since we went up. I'm not sure what the punishments even are now if you just said "**** it, lets not bother with FFP"?

Just now, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Nah seems the Leicester Chairman has joined the board to tell us they will get Jack for around 15 mil. ITK

I'll happily wager £10 to a charity of your choice that you don't get more than £25m, including add ons.

3 minutes ago, romavillan said:

He can cover a lot of the costs by not paying the wages of a lot of players whose contracts are expiring.

Yeah someone mentioned that, I've seen the Swiss Ramble stuff and the Dr's statement and it just read like you needed to do a bit more than trim the fat. You guys have more knowledge than I on your situation.

1 minute ago, romavillan said:

If McCormack went for £12, Hogan went for £12, then Jack is twice that and then some. Minimum. We shouldn't be selling him anyway, the best way out of our financial hole is to keep our home grown players, and compliment them with some well scouted additions. Not sell our best assets every summer, or we'll be a championship club or worse for a long time to come.

N'didi cost us the same as Mendy... but they are light years away from each other in terms of quality. What one flop costs doesn't dictate from someone else does. We know that oh so well as we've signed so many shite players for big money the last two years. Mahrez should be worth about £700m comparing his talents and Musa, who cost us about £20m.

Agree about your best way out of it and I hope you can do it. Got loads of Villa mates and I've been down yours with them no end of times.

2 minutes ago, rodders0223 said:

Sunderland sold a bang average goalkeeper for £30m. I think we will be fine with our valuation. Cheers.

He had performed at premier league level, he's been the standout player for Everton and he's probably now England's number one keeper. If you'd got promoted and Jack had performed next season as well, then you'd probably be absolutely right in the valuation.

2 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said:

Well as was just posted above, you guys crack on with that. Test away.

One of the biggest things the owner has pointed to is the connection between the fans and players. If he thinks selling Jack for pennies will help to maintain that then god help us.

It hinges on what your other saleable assets are I suppose, if he can cover the costs without selling the prodigal son. Then it puts you in a much stronger position of course, to rebuff any offer you want, which will push the price up for any interested party.

1 minute ago, hippo said:

Depends how much you want him.

If we get to a scenario where we desparatley need the cash and Leicester are the only ones interested - then that would put you in a strong position to beat the  price down.

If however you want him and want it done quickly - you could pay £25m+ early on the window

or you take to your chances and hope to be the biggest bidder as the window goes on - I honestly don't think you will get him for less than £20m - because they wouldn't cover our FFP shortfall.

Depends on a lot of factors of course, I just came to see what people had to say about the lad and couldn't believe what I was reading with some actually thinking you'd get £30-£40m. That will not happen.

There is that middle ground between the £15-£25m with loads of adds ons that the scenario can swing between depending on who is the most desperate. That's the area you'd be looking at IMO.

1 minute ago, sexbelowsound said:

Who said we need to sell him?

You know about as much as our fans do at the moment about our current financial situation. Nothing.

We could quite easily make up the short fall by selling off other dross first or get one of those nice jock strap sponsors to make up the difference.

For all you and I know that's exactly what is going on at the moment.

 

Nobody knows for sure, the point I'm making is that everyone can read and the statement is quite clear that there will be cost cutting. Buying clubs will know that and test you, doesn't matter if it's us, West Ham, Burnley, Everton or anyone else.

Just now, sexbelowsound said:

You do know that we are allowed to sell a player under contract for what we want to right?

You can ask what you want, it doesn't mean people are going to pay it. You aren't in a good position I'm afraid, the Chairman's statement screamed of "Fire Sale" and won't go unnoticed by interested clubs. It's likely they will be willing to call his bluff and low ball you to see how desperate he is.