Macca1888

 

 

Goalie's don't really tend to command massive fees other than the odd exception here and there.

Market value what, £13M?

Market value is whatever we say. Guzan has just signed up to a nice new contract, too, so good luck gunners!

This is the cockney press simply being very disrespectful to Villa once again. It was Benteke last year and now it's Brad.

No, market value is what the market says not what we say. That would be our valuation, which I would expect to be higher this the market valuation because of how important he is to us.

 

Yes.  We are saying the same thing - "market value" is irrelevant as we are setting the price.  Thus, when it comes to likes of Brad, "market value" is whatever we say.

Cant see Guzan wanting to play second fiddle to Szczęsny even if Wenger is interested which I doubt very much as they have other areas of the pitch they need to strengthen.

He's far superior to any keeper at Arsenal.

Goalie's don't really tend to command massive fees other than the odd exception here and there.

 

Market value what, £13M?

Market value is whatever we say.  Guzan has just signed up to a nice new contract, too, so good luck gunners!  

This is the cockney press simply being very disrespectful to Villa once again.  It was Benteke last year and now it's Brad.

 

How come we get to be 55 and Everton, who look a class above us in all respects, are 100?

A class above us in all respects?  Not too sure about that.

 

Ah, I see the comment was made a week or so ago.

How come we get to be 55 and Everton, who look a class above us in all respects, are 100?

A class above us in all respects?  Not too sure about that.

 

 

How many pages will this thread go before everybody comes to the conclusion he is rubbish.

Well, in theory however many pages are put into this thread over the space of the next year or so. Delph, Petrov, Downing, etc. were all terrible for Villa a lot longer than Tonev has been so far. Dismissing a player in his first season is madness, doing it after 2 starts for a cub, I don't know what to say.

Problem is, i cant see him getting too many chances, injuries permitting.

 

You haven't the slightest idea of how many chances he will get, my friend - injuries or otherwise.  

What's nice about that photo is that it captures the moment we are all celebrating an Aston Villa academy graduate sinking an oil sheik's financially-doped vanity project. 

Yep, he did drop clangers - and probably has a few more in him - but that's all part and parcel of being a young defender and learning his trade at the highest level.

That's how you have to do it if you aren't bankrolled by multi-billionaires - nurture talent, sell a big asset and improve the squad as a whole with the profits. Rinse. repeat. 

It's what Spurs are doing.

I'd long since written him off, so I find his form this season particularly pleasing. 

 

It's funny how the form of a number of our players seems to have changed somewhat since last season; Clark, KEA, Delph and even Bennet look to have improved, while the likes of Lowton, Westwood and, to a lesser extent, Weimann seem to have less successful starts to the campaign.

This is why writing young players off is too soon is a risky business.  You have to give people time - in any walk of life - to prove themselves.  Every one of youngsters who have come through in the last three years have been given a huge baptism of fire.  In fact I can't think of any other set of youngsters that have had such a tough introduction to Premier League football.  Our club was in turmoil when the likes of Clark were first thrown into the action - if he had been blooded into a ready made winning team like man utd three years ago people would have been talking about him in the same (over the top, admittedly) way that they have been speaking about the likes of Smalling and Jones.

I'll say it again:  when Clark was representing England at youth levels he was skipper of a cohort that included the likes of Gibbs, Sturridge etc.  He's a class act and should be all the better for the experiences of the past three years.

I think people need to be a bit more organic with their thinking.  There are all sorts of scenarios that could arise with Villa both as a business and as a football club, nothing is set in stone in football.  The way we are viewed as a football club now could be very different to how we are viewed by Christmas.  The way we are viewed as a club by the end of this season could be very different to how we are viewed in one, two or three seasons' time.  The same applies to our funding, revenues and transfer spend.  

 

Don't think Lambert left Norwich for us because of budgets or money, I would expect it was to further develop his career at a much bigger club, which we arguably are.

ARGUABLY? The day those mustard  guzzlers from Norfolk are a bigger club than Villa will be when pigs fly! Lambert looked at the potential at Villa, the stadium, the training facilities, and the sheer class of the club and thought that will do for me.  Just like when Taylor left a good Watford side to come to us. The potential at Villa is frightening. If only someone could ever achieve it. For a promising British manager, getting the Villa job is still one of the best managerial jobs around.

 

 Aston Villa firing on all cylinders is a match for ANY job.   Don't listen to the hype and bullshit about Man Utd - pre the Premier League they were also-rans.  They're the media's go to club, their muse, if you will.  Think X Factor: no one gives a monkeys but it's in the papers every week filling up space and making money.  Man Utd are the football equivalent built up by the media as a means of making money, selling TV advertising space and filling pages of tedious newspapers.  One Direction are another example of such a media built cash cow.  A certain type of demographic (easily swayed by the media, lowish IQ, very young, impressionable etc.) gets sucked in by the coverage of these entities and simply hand over their cash making the marketing people and media companies behind them very rich and very happy.

May Villa never sell their soul to the media!

Guzan is the best in the league.

In Lambert we have somebody who could go on and manage a Man United with ease. I think he still makes mistakes and perhaps goes for the wrong choice sometimes, but he has that magic about him that makes him unique and I really do not want to lose him.

Maybe, just maybe, he'll manage a successful Aston Villa?

 

Give Lambert 20m to sign 2/3 midfielders please Randolph or just hurry up and sell

I wish that would solve the problem, more like £30m for 2/3 midfielders. And why stop there - how about another £30m for 2/3 decent defenders?

 

Being brutal, we have not progressed under Lerner's tenure. We are year-in year-out relegation fodder. I have been a supporter since the early 80s and my recollection is generally of Villa on the fringe of the top, the nearly-men, and that was OK, but the past three years have been desperate. Its all well with the general Lambert poilcy of buying young, hungry promising kids, but you really need a solid backbone to provide the platform to blood the youngsters. 

 

Tottenham got it right because they invested in youngsters, bought some decent players where they needed to, but generally kept wages in check which is what has killed us and forced the fire sales.

 

A serious rethink is needed me thinks.

 

A serious rethink took place three years ago and the part of your comment in bold is where  we are now at.  I can see us starting to sign "decent players" once more over the next couple of seasons.  If we do sell Benteke for big  money, for example, I can see us buying two or three £10-15 million bracket players to improve the squad further.

 

22k for a league cup tie is not poor.

 

It is when the opposition is a top 5 Premier League club.

 

It's a great attendance considering it was for a match between Villa's second/third string and Tottenham's second string.  Everyone who went tonight went with the knowledge that Villa would be using the game to blood players and get others match fit. 

 

lot of over reactions here, it was spurs reserves but just look at their squad, we were not at full strength either by a long shot.

yes they had more quality over the pitch but they have just spent a metric fuckton of money.

And against all but one team this season prior to us they scraped a win by a single goal.

Our Jan2013 form is coming early this season, City are going to wallop us. I just don't understand how anyone can find anything positive about this squad other than Benteke? We could go down this season, I am already thinking who is worse than us already.

 

That was a Villa second/third team out there.  Have some perspective.  There is zero chance Villa will go down.

I'm looking forward to Tonev proving the doubters here wrong - he looks a very exciting player to me.  If he's good enough for Stan Petrov and Paul Lambert he's good enough for me.

He was awful on Saturday in every regard, amongst the worst displays in recent times, but we won so it didn't really matter. Let's wait and see with him, we wouldn't be singing from the rooftops and selling him to Real Madrid if he'd scored a hattrick so relax.

"He was awful on Saturday in every regard".  Good grief.  

The guy's in a new country, he hardly speaks English, he's desperate to get on the pitch and bang in a goal or two...show a little patience and understanding.  He looks a very exciting prospect to me and if we, the supporters, can get behind him and help him settle, he will be a huge asset for the club.

Mate-There is no easy way to tell you this so I'm just going to come straight out with it.

 

We are not going to be fighting for top 6 any time soon.

 

Any time any of our players looks any good, he will leave for higher wages & a bigger challenge. At this moment in time, only Benteke falls into that category & if he continues the way he's started the season, he could even leave as soon as January.

 

Of the rest of the team/squad, none of them would get into a top 6 side (with the possible exception of Guzan).

 

There is no quick fix & we are a million miles away from top 6. The manager is having to work to a very limited budget & the wages we offer players is not as high as many sides who we are competing with for signings. We have an exciting young team & we play entertaining football but we will not be finishing in the top 6 while the current remit is in place. 

I have to disagree with you.  The club is rebuilding and I expect us to develop and grow year on year.  We have been operating on a certain budget these past two years but my view is that this budget will adapt as we re-emerge. You're right, there's no quick fix - as the past couple of seasons have demonstrated.  We're getting there, though.  

 

 

Agree with you on that but not many if any CL teams were prepared to meet our valuation of the player even after the season he had which would put us in the minority of one club who currently evaluates him as a CL player at the moment.

So? All that means is that no one was willing to meet our valuation last summer - it certainly doesn't mean he isn't good enough for a CL team because I think we all know he is comfortably good enough.

 

The point is though that no other CL team thought he was good enough to pay our valuation and with escalating transfer fees, that i feel is a telling factor.

 

It may well be that CL teams want to see more of him before making the financial committment or, our perceived valuation of him is a little biased?

 

No.  We have a valuation for all of our players - if they are to be sold our valuation has to be met.  That is how we operate as a strong business and a strong football club.  Who on earth gives a monkey's what a "CL team" thinks of our players or how much they value our players?  If Aston Villa are to continue to grow and develop once more as a club the only thing that matters is what Aston Villa thinks. 

Once this lad has settled he will be a huge asset for the club.  

I remember Jack Grealish when he was around 7 or 8,playing an age above himself in the Central Warwickshire. he used to dribble through teams for fun-Looks like he's been able to maintain his ability & we've now got a real prospect on our hands. 

 

It would take ridiculous money for him to leave us at this stage. Hope we get a decent contract signed when he's 18, if not before. Would be tragic to have nurtured this lad for 10 years, only to loose him to someone like Man U or Arsenal if he does continue to progress.

 

I've no problems with any player leaving if he's outgrown us (benteke for example) but I'd hate to loose a player because of his "potential" which is what it would be if Man U or Arsenal came in any time soon.

Maybe by the time Jack is making it at first team level for Villa we will be back up there as contenders?  I can certainly see Villa back fighting for top six/top four within the next couple of years.  The timing for Jack is perfect.

Fans writing off a new player after a handful of games?  When will people learn, I wonder.  Give the lad time and he'll come good.

 

Lowton needs a rest? We've just come back from an international break where he was not called up.

 

Agree.

 

It's the start of the season, he's just had 3 weeks off, and we have no decent alternative. He won't be getting a rest anytime soon.

 

I think he needs to play himself back into form - as do a lot of our players.   We have had a really disjointed start to the season meaning we haven't been able to settle as a team and get into our stride yet.  It might be a couple of games yet until we see the likes of Lowton hit their stride.