Cali-Villan

I like the idea that Padfield has until Thursday to put in a formal bid, but now I'm really confused. What about the 10-day rule? Or the 21-day rule? Exactly how much power does Rothschild have? Can they set their own deadlines on certain consortiums? My head is going to explode!!!! :?

Anyways, does anyone have any further news about the Padfield bid? Is one forthcoming?

OK but having been away from the PC for 2 hours and come back to find it has grown so much I thought something had happened.

Can't we have a sticky 'I love the Septics' thread?

Did you mean 'septics' or 'sceptics' mate?

Could most of the last three pages been conducted by PM?

And why is it necessary to quote the whole post in each reply? - Laziness?

I'm with you. Sorry it got out of hand. :oops: Damn, that's two apologies on one thread. I'll have to lay low for a while.

I just don't think you should completely write off his bid just for saying ''We are not American, and want to fly the flag."

I dont think he is trying to be xenophobic just that this is an English club competing in an English sport and that could give them an advantage one he would like to remind the fans of. As I've said I'm not saying I want Padfeild to win, but I don't see why people are so whole-heartly behind one bid as a pose to another when not much is known about one if not either.

Because, as I've said before and will continue to say..... It isn't just about one comment from Padfield or AV06. I've said my various reasons are in this thread and others.

Its a combination of things that have made me very wary.

To put it simply - I do not want someone in control of AVFC who are happy to resort to some of the comments and tactics we've seen over the past couple of days.

I'm standing right beside you on this one Runetune. 8)

Shoulder to shoulder

Notice, I didn't stay standing right 'behind' you.

Looks like your moral high ground on Padfield's xenophobia just collapsed, mind..

:? Just trying to lighten the mood icklevillan. If I've offended, Im genuinely sorry.

Would have thought someone from California would have known better. Never been to Venice Beach, clearly

I guess, being from California, one gets very tired of the rampant political correctness. Still no excuse. I think I need to be sentenced to sensitivity training courses.

PS, we'd better get back on topic before the mods chastise us. :winkold:

I just don't think you should completely write off his bid just for saying ''We are not American, and want to fly the flag."

I dont think he is trying to be xenophobic just that this is an English club competing in an English sport and that could give them an advantage one he would like to remind the fans of. As I've said I'm not saying I want Padfeild to win, but I don't see why people are so whole-heartly behind one bid as a pose to another when not much is known about one if not either.

Because, as I've said before and will continue to say..... It isn't just about one comment from Padfield or AV06. I've said my various reasons are in this thread and others.

Its a combination of things that have made me very wary.

To put it simply - I do not want someone in control of AVFC who are happy to resort to some of the comments and tactics we've seen over the past couple of days.

I'm standing right beside you on this one Runetune. 8)

Shoulder to shoulder

Notice, I didn't stay standing right 'behind' you.

Looks like your moral high ground on Padfield's xenophobia just collapsed, mind..

:? Just trying to lighten the mood icklevillan. If I've offended, Im genuinely sorry.

I just don't think you should completely write off his bid just for saying ''We are not American, and want to fly the flag."

I dont think he is trying to be xenophobic just that this is an English club competing in an English sport and that could give them an advantage one he would like to remind the fans of. As I've said I'm not saying I want Padfeild to win, but I don't see why people are so whole-heartly behind one bid as a pose to another when not much is known about one if not either.

Because, as I've said before and will continue to say..... It isn't just about one comment from Padfield or AV06. I've said my various reasons are in this thread and others.

Its a combination of things that have made me very wary.

To put it simply - I do not want someone in control of AVFC who are happy to resort to some of the comments and tactics we've seen over the past couple of days.

I'm standing right beside you on this one Runetune. 8)

Shoulder to shoulder

Notice, I didn't stay standing right 'behind' you.

I just don't think you should completely write off his bid just for saying ''We are not American, and want to fly the flag."

I dont think he is trying to be xenophobic just that this is an English club competing in an English sport and that could give them an advantage one he would like to remind the fans of. As I've said I'm not saying I want Padfeild to win, but I don't see why people are so whole-heartly behind one bid as a pose to another when not much is known about one if not either.

Because, as I've said before and will continue to say..... It isn't just about one comment from Padfield or AV06. I've said my various reasons are in this thread and others.

Its a combination of things that have made me very wary.

To put it simply - I do not want someone in control of AVFC who are happy to resort to some of the comments and tactics we've seen over the past couple of days.

I'm standing right beside you on this one Runetune. 8)

As of right now, I'd say there is a LOT more information about Randy Lerner, including the endorsement of Cleveland Browns' fans, than there is about Mr. Padfield.

Is your average American newspaper reader savvy enough to know it's not a general anti-American feeling, just a stupid desperate clearing in the woods ?

We're familiar with the breed. Indeed, I suspect that virtually all of us would agree that (at least) one of the major parties nominated one for the Presidency last time around.

(For the record, we're a politically mixed group at the OBR, but based on our political board most of us seem to lean Republican).

I can only really speak for the "right" side of the spectrum, but it seems to me that the UK is about the most popular other country right now. Poland and Australia are up there too. So any stupid comments would likely be seen as the ravings of a minority.

Now if a Frenchman were to say such a thing, that might be a bit of a different situation.

By the way, Condoleeza Rice is a Browns fan.

Well hello there, my fellow right-leaning American. :winkold:

I must respectfully disagree with most Americans understanding that it is just a minority of the English who don't want Lerner to buy the club. But perhaps, that's because I'm in California, the Bay Area no less.

I think it's harsh how people have totally dismissed Padfields bid and intentions, and I'm not sure why people seem to think Learner would be so much better than Padfield. Dont get me wrong I would love to see Learner to take over the club because it would mean new owners, but no more than Padfeild.

Perhaps if Padfield hadn't resorted to slanderous, xenophobic tactics, more people on this board would be a little more fair-minded about him. What he has said to the media goes a long way to revealing his character and intentions IMHO.

Well don't you think Learners tactics of pretending to pullout were a bit under hand?

Pretended? It is well-documented that Ellis pissed him off, and he was ready to walk. Besides, if it was indeed a tactic, there is no real proof of that. There IS proof of Padfield's tactics, as we have actual quotes from the man.

I think it's harsh how people have totally dismissed Padfields bid and intentions, and I'm not sure why people seem to think Learner would be so much better than Padfield. Dont get me wrong I would love to see Learner to take over the club because it would mean new owners, but no more than Padfeild.

Perhaps if Padfield hadn't resorted to slanderous, xenophobic tactics, more people on this board would be a little more fair-minded about him. What he has said to the media goes a long way to revealing his character and intentions IMHO.

I agree with your comments Runetune and Blandy, but most Americans don't know this. And I'm fairly certain that most Americans will view Padfield's comments as simply anti-American, not anti-Bush or anti-American government.

Many of us Yanks feel that because the USA has been so successful commercially, that many countries around the world automatically mistrust ALL our motives, whether politically or in business.

This smacks of a desparate, last-minute attempt by Padfield to "talk with the fans". If Mr. Padfield really cared about what the fans wanted, he would know that most of them want Lerner, and would bow out gracefully, now.

Although Cali they could also think Beat him Randy beat that English pig , thats what i hope for anyway

HAAAHAAA

But seriously, I would say that most Americans, at least in my circle of influence really LOVE the English, but worry that the English don't love us back. It's almost as if we Americans have an inferiority complex. You guys (the English) are basically our parent country.

Cali, will it reflect badly on Villa or on Padfield. Is your average American newspaper reader savvy enough to know it's not a general anti-American feeling, just a stupid desperate clearing in the woods ?

Exactly thats what i am worried about , tell your Brothers and Sisters Cali , we love you yanks :winkold:

The feeling is mutual. 8)

Cali, will it reflect badly on Villa or on Padfield. Is your average American newspaper reader savvy enough to know it's not a general anti-American feeling, just a stupid desperate clearing in the woods ?

Good question, BOF. To be completely honest, we in America feel that most of the rest of the world really do hate us, even our allies, some of it perhaps justified, much if it not. I personally know better, because I'm on this board a lot. I hate to say it though, I think the average American might think Padfield speaks for the majority of the English. That's why he pisses me off SO MUCH!!!

Just noticed on News Now , that the American press are reporting the AV06 bid , wonder how the America beating part of Padfields statement will go down with the Yanks ???

Not well, trust me. It will be seen as small-minded, petty, xenophobic, insulting the the English intelligence, and desparate. I should know, because I am a Yank. :winkold:

Not quite sure what to make of this, but it sounds a bit sinister. We'll have to wait and see. May the best consortium win.

Is it just me or does Neville sound like the kid who is scraping up all of his money to purchase his first car without thinking of the upkeep costs, gasoline, insurance and such. He clearly is having trouble coming up with the original 64mil so how is he gonna top it. Will the Rothchilds really believe that his bid is the best. He'll run this team into financial ruin. If he is trying to scare off Randy I think he's gonna have to try harder than that.

Those are my suspicions exactly. For the record, as an American, I am not siding with Lerner because he's American too. If he was any other nationality, with the same clout and ownership record, he'd still top my list. There, now I feel better.

Are we to conclude that Neville's intentions are entirely honorable, ie not about the investment?

I have no idea, but like you said its fairly obvious that they are all in it for the MONEY. I just hope that all the bidders plans are fully scrutinised to ensure that none pose a risk to the long term future of AVFC. Problem is we have to trust a certain someone to ensure this and I will not hold my breath.

I'm with you all the way there.

Heat of the moment. Perhaps 'smear' is overstating it. But by all accounts, Lerner will let the football people do the footballing, and he'll provide the money. Not a bad plan in my book.

Are we to conclude that Neville's intentions are entirely honorable, ie not about the investment?

But to smear Lerner's intentions because he's American kind of gets my panties in a knot. Oops! :shock: I think I said too much.

I'm all ears! Do carry on!

Well, you know, being from California and all.

Oh what they said about Glazier is definitely true. But, call me jaded, I think anyone, including Lerner, who's corner I happen to be in, is about the money. That is not to say that anyone who takes over would do a poor job. But to smear Lerner's intentions because he's American kind of gets my panties in a knot. Oops! :shock: I think I said too much.