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Don’t think if it’s feasible on any level, but dortmund are an example of expansion where internal pillars taken out and roof held up and extended via external supports. 
 

A bit ugly too from outside but shows it could possibly be done. 

Could we possibly be looking at a clever ploy? 
owners spend, I dunno say £4m doing up a stand to be knocked down which seems mad - but doesn’t impact ffp. That stand then generates an additional £4m which helps towards ffp. 
if we then unpause the stand rebuild say the next year we can (I think) submit the revenue figures lost for ffp, which would then just happen to be the new inflated revenue figures. 

figures are just for example.  And clutching at straws but trying make some sense of it. 

I’m not sure if I’m imagining it but seem to recall Heck saying in an interview about also generally sprucing the place up including replacing seats?? I had it in my head that we’d be doing exactly this - replacing old faded seats.  
 

Had some weird dreams this week though so……..

If North stand doesn’t get replaced by 2030 (after Euro’s) are there desires to make any incremental capacity increases somehow? 
 

are the club aware of complexities of season ticket holders, (who especially already attend in family groups), getting tickets for younger family members coming through the ranks. I know their answer will be they can join a club and get a ticket ~ somewhere in the ground, but what do the other members of family then do? Without expansion this problem is growing,  

2 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said:

So they could go from something that could have started a day after the season ended, to a project that would involve buying up property and building over a busy road? Could take years.

Which is why I hope that’s not the case, development couldn’t come soon enough for me. 
 

Was just floating possible thoughts about delays, in response to the last few conversations. 
 

I too get the general question why delay stand if general area was in the master plan anyhow, which got me thinking about maybe the DE is the problem. 
 

one day we’ll get an update and we can stop trying to work out what the hells going on

To Unlock the DE stand first?? 
 

I’ve mentioned before about possibly re profiling it (got no traction :-)), but part of the reason I was thinking this was to unlock the issues with that stand - blocking lower holte, how it would fit awkwardly with new North stand etc. (not to mention concourse), my thinking was reconfigure stand to sort those issues, then build north stand and then in the future when able to, extend above and beyond DE stand.  
 

Maybe just maybe they may now be thinking to try and acquire houses and do DE stand first full stop?? 
god knows,….. but I do see logic in trying to sort it one way or other before building north stand as we wouldn’t want another stand with design flaws because of an adjacent, pretty rubbish stand…..with design flaws. 

19 minutes ago, turvontour said:

Well if you want one example of that not being the case then you can have mine.

Me and my son have a season ticket. My youngest son is on the waiting list at about 17,000 and has barely moved for three seasons. I would get him one if offered for next season next to us. He can't attend games with us as the seats next to us are season tickets too. 

This must be a similar case for many.

 

Similar for me. My youngest is villa mad, and on the waiting list about 25k. She’s probably moved about 2k or so over last 2-3 years. I go with other family members and friends and have for years, but all around me are season ticket holders. 
so I can’t really get my daughter a ticket or I’d have to move too (not easy to organise) which means leaving other kid and family behind,
so instead I have to apologise to her every other week and leave her behind.

Every now and then she gets a ticket if one of the group is on holiday, and it’s like she’s won wonka’s golden ticket. 
 

this is why I’m personally so annoyed with the delaying of the north stand rebuild. I thought I can’t be alone in this position - we’re risking losing a generation of game going fans here. 

I can’t help thinking (without technical knowledge, measuring angles, or counting rows/seats etc.)

the way forwards could be

• Remove boxes from DE stand. 
• reprofile into single stand (adding rows)
• incorporate new GA+ in this new design stand

that could give the extra seats, but also it tees the stand up ready for

• the new north stand to work better as the pitch would be the same as Trinity road stand?
• It would sort the viewing issues lower Holte?
• And finally allow a future extension to DE stand (remove couple of rows so height matches middle Trinity and New north stand, and build 2nd tier on top by building around stand. 
   

I may be well off in terms of what’s possible,  but if that does work then to me it makes sense to do that before north stand 

It is curious how to get the additional 2k seats. 
I was wondering maybe if they’d look at tying it into the bigger picture (future phase 3)?  Could they perhaps scrap the boxes out of the DE Stand, reprofile the stand as a single storey stand so that the rake matches the new north stand, and loops around the lower bowl nice, so lower Trinity, North and DE all link in nicely in a bowl. 
 

Looking at this it could possibly be circa 2k seats. 
 

Then the end game of nearly 60k that’s been quoted could be the expansion of the DE stand outwards so it can reincorporate boxes at same height as Trinity and North, larger concourse area, and accommodate the additional storey on top (circa 6k seats) ? Giving us a ground of around 58k - 59k or so. 
 

I’m no designer/architect but it’s what I’d be looking at doing after going to all this effort on the North stand - have a stadium that all ties in, just then the Holte as a stand-alone at the end. 

15 minutes ago, dounavilla said:

This is the same guy who said we are definitely not in for Traore. Basically full of shit.

Yeah full of it. I thought it was that bluenose troll account that had everyone waiting for a midnight exclusive, so looked through tweets. Last summer he revealed Barca were in for Neil Taylor, then not to worry he’s not going as Smith has promised him left wing position in front of Targett - oh and vice captain role. 
 

say no more. 

17 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

We need a BIG, commanding CM, and it seems some are intent on making it even smaller?

Isn't Buendia like 3 ft 6 ?

AMC, winger etc I guess i'd be ok with, but seriously, Buendia suggested as a CM?

Have people watched us play?

Yeah I get that, but another train of thought is you don’t necessarily need to win headers in midfield, just make sure you’re first to the ball off whoever does win the header (something along with throw ins we’ve never seemed good at). 
 

Wolves as an example of a good passing team with relative success don’t seem to have tall imposing midfielders, maybe I’m wrong on that, but they don’t look it (what I’ve seen of them).  Ball playing midfielders that keep hold of the ball/use it well can be far more effective than a Brute of a midfielder who’s second touch is a tackle, but get a tall, imposing, powerful, skillfull good passer then win win (hopefully we’re doing this) 

There’s also the set pieces and requiring enough tall players to chip in I guess so yeah he could be a bit short for us with the rest of our team taken into account - good call. 

53 minutes ago, Tez500 said:

It's greedy but I want both! They are different players Rashica fast and direct, Buendia more of a playmaker and has played deeper for Norwich. I worry about our loss of creativity if something happens to Jack, therefore I've wanted Buendia since the minute Norwich's relgation was confirmed. 

I am very surprised he hasn't moved already, particularly as Nowich have made loads of signings.

Exactly how I see it. Buendia CM, Jack left Rashica right. Some games they change around maybe we find Jack is better in middle and he prefers it (and sticks 2 fingers up at Gareth) then Rashica goes left and Buendia right or vice versus? Maybe we just do it ‘in game’ if a defender has one in his pocket then switch it round to see if our next attacking threat gives that defender something to think about. I recall we used to do this with Milner, Young and Downing. 
 

from what I’ve seen of Rashica and granted only YouTube vids he looks capable of playing left, right or CM/CAM. 
 

I could imagine some serious link up play with Ollie up top, 3 of them looking up to see Ollies movement in box instead of floating over a hopeful cross. It’s got so much potential in my head, but it’s probably totally flawed

oh and all 3 look capable of coming deep to help in numbers when required and each could carry/drive the ball forwards on the counter. 
 

time for me to stop dreaming I think. 

Can’t help feel that Buendia in CM with McGinn and Luiz would work well. 
 

He can tackle, break up play, turn dribble and break through opposition midfield lines turning defence into attack quickly and could feed Jack/Ollie/RW. For me he’s a CM not a winger/inside forward (but could prob fill in there ok if injuries to first choices).

I just wonder why nobody’s gone in for him yet? perhaps he’s not as good as I think . 
 

Only 11 minutes but maybe others agree with potential? maybe not? 

I'm guessing there's some truth in the Sergi Darder rumour as Sherwood has just spent 24 hrs in Malaga.

Could be an agent possibly though - who knows

This is like a conversation with my mrs:-

Me: bloody hell I've had a crap day

Her: oh and you think mines been good? (In an angry sarcastic tone)

Me: actually no, I didn't say mines been crap compared to yours, I said mines been crap.

Me: I've felt rough all week

Her: oh and I've felt great haven't I? (Same angry sarcastic tone)

Short of it is, I'm not comparing, i'm just talking about my state, but there always has to be a comparative comeback.

Can we not just we're villa, nothing much good. Seems to happen (these days).

Any takeover news or gossip anyone?

It seems mad if the baggies get bought so soon and for an amount Randy would 'reportedly' accept (who knows?). But then again reading the earlier reports on income, although we bought in £25m more (I think I read, and in a funny way hope I've got it wrong as we made a £4m loss and they made a £12m profit?? That is crazy, especially when you think we've got rid of so many high earners and have been through the young and hungry, and foreign cheap and worth a gamble stages.

What on earth are we spending on compared to them, we've had very similar seasons, they've pipped is in league us them in cup.

It does seem strange how a deal like this could be enforced, but the way I look at is:-

He's very average at best, and clearly not helping or even hindering the team. We had the option to buy him in January which we didn't take, so either Lambert doesn't rate him or lerner won't fund it.

If lerner won't fund it this can be moved to the randy lerner thread.

If Lambert don't rate him then whys he pick him still? Let's face it if he thought he was good he'd have snapped him up before others are free to try and sign him in the summer.

Option 3 I suppose, maybe cleverly thinks we're crap and doesn't want to play for us, but even so he'd have told the manager this so therefore is expect Lambert not to play a player who doesn't want to play for us.

There's got to be a deal in place for me on this one.

I don't see how there could be such a clause. It's ridiculous and how could it be enforced? If lambert drops him what happens? They take him back? Hardly a punishment.

Lambert clearly rates him and i don't know why.

£££

Suspected it would be maintenance, some size jet if it was for private business use

It was I, prompted by the above info about it I started to look it up. Yes it's Saudi based but the movements don't give anything away, maybe just in for maintenance at monarch engineering?

It is interesting with previous poster linking Saudi (al Baltan?) whatever happened to that? And bidding 8m on cleverly - not saying 8m is absolutely huge but for cleverly it's a bit of a sum.

Just watched the lowlights on itv and worryingly they said Orient made 6 changes for this game and left out some big players for them

Press conference at 9am apparently?

I've been reading TBAR and they're getting worked up about it even though a journalist has told one of them it's just a normal pre game press conference.

And tried to state a good reason to why our attendance may have been lower apart from the obvious unrest.

May not be the same, don't know until you add up populations etc. I can't be arsed with that, but what I was saying was 30k is bloody embarrassing for a club our size in the premier.

It wasn't a bloody Newcastle are better than us comment FFS.

The Newcastle fans packed their end out. We always have bad attendances first game of season anyhow due to holidays. I remember Chelsea a couple of years back only got about 37-38?

I went on Saturday, bloody embarrassing when they announced the attendance to the joy of the travelling Geordies, even worse that when we tell them why it's bad ie poor investment, crap league positions, an unliked owner it makes you think about how they continue to get good attendances, and they've had a relegation and still dislike their owner.

One thing I would also say about the attendance though, I dashed straight off to the T20 final afterwards (that was amazing, what an atmosphere) I saw a lot of villa fans there, spoke to a few ST holders who missed the Newcastle game as they had bought their tickets in advance of the fixture list (which we all had to do) so they will be back for the hull game. Obviously can't tell how many were in this boat but this was just from talking to people immediately around me so could be a lot??