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44 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said:
I've got the perfect song for him, should he come. To the tune of the old Marvel advert, " marvellous, we love you, Marvellous, we love you ".
Or the Bobby Roode entrance theme: "MARVELLOUS! He won't give in he won't give in till we're victorious he will defend he will defend, and he'll do what he must no he won't give in he won't give in oh so Marvellous until the end until the end"
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16 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said:
Either says a lot for him, or a lot about us, given that I don't remember Barry even getting that kind of a sendoff. Yes, his Liverpool Summer likely contributed to that, but far more frequently our support gets on the back of a player if his skills fade or he moves on for more money.
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Charles N'Poltergeist.
Charles N'Zombia was right there, and you reached for that?
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What I don't understand is this whole permission thing, does the Lyon guy have to get the clubs permission to talk to villa? Or is this just a polite way of doing things?
I think we run the risk of UEFA/FIFA sanctions far outweighing what the eventual compo for Baticle would end up if we were to talk to him without permission, as he's contracted to the club. Would be similar to tapping up a player.
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Houllier had to contend with a serious injury crisis as well. Sometimes having to play the likes of Jonathon Hogg (sp) and Clark as a midfield duo.
And to be perfectly fair, Hogg was fine -- not exceptional, but not terrible. I remember him being a decent, tidy player. He was never going to pull up trees, but was able to effectively move the ball to the players who could.
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Is there anyone on here who, at time of them being hired, didn't approve of at least one of Houllier, McLeish, Lambert or Sherwood? Please identify yourself as I'm genuinely interested if such a person exists! I say this because they are, by and large, four very different managers in both style and character.
If you accept that you approved of at least one of them (at the time) then I struggle to understand why people can not see past "crap team = crap manager". Ths isn't in support of Sherwood particularly, but I really think the importance of the manager is over-estimated to genie like proportions where we expect them to make diamonds out of mud and accuse them of being useless if they don't. That's not to say each manager hasn't made mistakes, every manager does, but what can we really expect with such player purchases?!
One signing this summer was proven Prem quality, Richards. We've taken a rubbish team, stripped it of it's best players, removed any Premier experience and had a huge influx of foreign, often inferior league, cheap, unproven potential players. What do people really expect?! If we were lucky it might have worked but the chances were always slim. It was impossible to replace Benteke, we got pittance for Delph and nothing for Cleverly's resurgence. We lost experienced heads in Vlaar and Given (I'm sure them being high earners was just a coincidence) and seem to have placed our hopes on player recruitment on a rookie manager (especially considering size of overhaul) and two business men with potential profit seemingly outweighing instant impact. When we've had such an overhaul, do we have the luxury of time to develop Ilori, Traore and Ayew in particular?
Considering the starting point for each manager, the funds and wage constraints they were given, some have done better than others. But it is not them who have failed to get us 'where we belong', it's Lerner.
I said this on September 1st, it doesn't matter who the manager is, with the level of investment (especially considering the departures) the absolute best we can hope for this season is 17th and standing still. Anyone asking for anymore than that is frankly deluded. If Sherwood is failing to keep us in division by all means sack him, but don't suddenly expect midtable safety whoever the next manager is. Every year will be a slog until we start at least matching our opponents spends, partially in transfers but definitely in wages. Money doesn't guarantee success but it's a pretty accurate guideline.
Personally I think the damage has been done now, Sherwood or whoever, we won't survive unless we significant invest in January. The situation isn't a surprise to me at all, the fact it seems to have come as a shock to a lot of people is. Really, what were people expecting?
The concerning thing regarding Sherwood is that his previous job came about because the team he was a coach for sold their best player, bought heavily, and the existing manager struggled to fit all of the new pieces together (on top of Sherwood himself manipulating his way into the frame). You would think that his biggest piece of advice from that experience would have been to consolidate the existing squad and buy only a few players to help the squad kick on and improve in one or two position. Not double down on the Spurs strategy and buy a whole new squad.
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Barry Bannan brought more to the team than Westwood.
Barry Bannan brought more to the team than most gave him credit for.
Barry Bannan and Ashley Westwood are two sides of the same coin. With Bannan it was all "he never does the simple things! He's all Hollywood balls!" With Westwood it's "why doesn't he try an attacking pass! I only ever see him pass sideways and backwards!" When the reality is somewhere in the middle for both.
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I bought the first year Macron top during Villa's preseason tour in the states, and have had no peeling issues, no snags, no issues whatsoever. Also bought a long sleeve glow in the dark from that year that's held up in a similar fashion.
Then again, I always wash my shirts in cold water and air dry them.
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I imagine it's a lot easier to implement in US sports too. Where there's a smaller pool of talent to scout.
Considering that for baseball, there are 30 major league teams with 25-man squads, plus 5 or 6 farm teams of the same, plus American universities and high schools, Central and South America, the Caribbean, Japan and Korea, the talent pool isn't that much smaller.
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On the moneyball thing, isn't that based on a closed economy with a wage cap and draft system?
In the world of actual football it's more a fancy name for buying cheap and selling with profit imo, teams have been doing that for ages
Not quite. While there is a draft in major league baseball, those players aren't expected to immediately contribute, and are often assigned to farm teams for a year or two. Imagine if Villa owned Walsall, Tamworth and Coventry, and then could distribute players as it saw fit amongst those four entities. That's how baseball is structured, and has been since around the 30s (before that, it was a series of regional leagues with a similar transfer system to world football). There is no salary cap.
The actual Moneyball philosophy istlef is based on "market inefficiencies," i.e. players that are valued lowly by the rest of the league, but have an attribute that in the right environment could be maximized while the team has them under employ. For example, signing multiple doubles hitters while the league prefers to chase guys with high home run and RBI numbers.
To an extent, I suppose that's what the emphasis on Ligue 1/2 players was all about this Summer - the French league is becoming "flatter" (i.e. the power structure of L'OL/L'OM/PSG/Monaco is eroding), and so the players across the league there are more competitive, and more likely to quickly cohere than if we had purchased a "world XI" of similar players. That said, Sherwood probably should have piped up that buying a whole new squad in one go didn't work when Spurs sold their big money player, and that we'd be better using that money for a small handful of players that could drastically improve our situation. But he didn't, and so here we are.
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Stephen Ireland now there's a footballer to nod off with. On a par with Jordan Bowery for nod offness and he cannot get in a Rotherham team that are poo, so just shows how good Lambert was!
By that logic, Sir Alex bought Bebe, Veron and Kleberson!
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Kristan Heneage @KHeneage
I also understand Bradley has been sounded out by #AVFC should they wish to replace Sherwood. He has two games left with Stabæk .
5:31 PM - 20 Oct 2015Two games? Great. Roll on with KevMac until Bob can come in.
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Bradley would be as uninspiring as they come.
Actually, as an American, I can tell you he can be quite inspiring. He's exactly the opposite of Sherwood. He's soft-spoken, his teams play organized and disciplined, his teams are often the fittest in their competitions (we will never be outworked). He'd be working with a better selection of defenders than he ever did with the US.
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Quite honestly, I'd RATHER have it sans sponsor if I could, rather than being a walking billboard for a casino.
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Just wondered if anyone would care to comment on the raping he got for the second goal or is he still the best defender we have. I'm sure had it been Hutton the abuse would have lasted for weeks.
well, we're not fickle. Once we've made our mind up about someone it stays made up. See all the McLeish out calls today.
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admittedly I haven't even watched the game today. . .**** shit, boring football.
:oops: :?
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The Guardian - which has a pretty good track record of getting these things right - is saying this morning
Guzan
Hutton Dunne Collins Warnock
Petrov Clark Delph
Albrighton Agbonlahor N'Zogbia
So those who are wanting Clark to start may get their wish but maybe not in the position they expected.
Collins is doubtful, though, so maybe Clark will have to go back 4 and someone else -Bannan or Ireland? - might go midfield.
Why would Clark start over Bannan?
Because our midfield got overrun without Herd to play destroyer.
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Personally, I'm as despondant over Villa as anyone else (and associate a lot if this to McLeish)
HOWEVER
I think its more constructive to look at the bigger picture:-
He has been in charge for a very short period of time
He inherited an addmitedly decent (not brilliant) squad who didn't know where they were - having played under 4 managers in a year
He has had no option but to work on the dicipline of the squad
He has had no option but to try to instil some bite to the squad
He HAS been let down massively by some of our bigger players
He seems as fed up as us with the poor passing - I don't personally blame him for Warnock's, Delph's, N'Zogs, Albrighton and Bannan's terrible passing on Sunday
With the current squad we're a league below Liverpool/Ars/Man U.Man C/Chelsea/Spurs, so playing toe to toe WILL lead to disaster
Our natural league position currently I would say is 9th-12th
He does - in fairness have SOME dynamicism (no hoofing vs Liverpool),(Backs against walls when needed),(Several tried formations)
He isn't QUITE as negative as made out, though he is no Martinez. I see glimmers of hope that he has tried to integrate flair, though the role Bent is playing is not suited to a goalscorer, his movement is creating space for Gabby - hence why Gabby seems a new player.
Every bit of this.
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I'm not really sure of what your saying.
you say we played poorly then you say you are tired of the negativity.Is it just a case of youe are tired of listeneing to the truth....what do you want them to say?
The facts are our play is shocking the passing is benevolent, the physical side is lilly livered- christ we don't get even get close to the opposition as for shirt pulling whilst i don't condone it ..do our players know what it is... Our ball control is woeful and basically the overall play in most games is well below the standard you would expect from an Aston Villa Side.
Thers is clearly something seriously wrong with the set-up....to exclude the Manager from all this is extremely difficult as all the things he alludes to after a game are clearly on display the next game.
If you change nothing you will get the same result.
Collins & Dunne are clearly out of sorts in terms of set pieces and Hutton & Warnock are woeful.
.... are we saying we have no one to challenge them? or are we hell bent on repeating the same results?
No, what he's saying is that the complaints have gotten to the point where they're completely off base. Look in this thread where everyone's saying "same old negative McLeish," while he set the team out to attack (even during the last 20 minutes, Hutton was practically playing as a midfielder). Now, the ability of that team to maintain possession and create chances is in part down to the players for not being able to move for each other, but also to McLeish for not better preparing them to pass the ball on the deck this preseason.
McLeish had a few bad habits to get rid of from his days at the circus. He didn't have 16 months out of the game to "watch Barca." But, he should have seen that there's some passing quality in the side (the sale of Jonathan Hogg and loan of Makoun seem incredibly short-sighted now that we've seen a handful of injuries, suspensions and general lack of form (read: Fabian Delph)) and adjusted during pre-season, not three months into the season.
Collins and Dunne have been out of sorts on set pieces for a while, and to the point that 2009's defensive record was better, including set pieces, remember that most of that season saw us playing with a center back (Cuellar) at right back. It's worrying that our first choice center half pairing needs a third CB to even approach competency. Let's also remember that the midfield at that time included James Milner, who defined "box-to-box" midfielder for us that season. We have one midfielder who approaches his energy and industry in the center of the park (Herd), and he's only just getting a run of games for the first time (and he's being asked to play more of a protectorate role, to allow Warnock and Hutton to support the attack).
I do think it took McLeish a bit long to "figure out" what he had, but I think if he can finally drop the hammer on extricating Dunne and Collins (I had faith in Dunne, which was squandered on Skrtel's goal, where Dunne not only waltzed behind Skrtel as he made his run, but didn't seem to communicate it to Hutton at all, which is his chief job in a Zonal Marking system. Sure, Hutton's reaction time was poor, but the lad doesn't have eyes in the back of his head) we might actually go on a little run and see some of our ball retention issues cleared up.
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"We were great for the first five minutes of the second half".He really does just constantly talk bollocks.You can also predict his post match excuses "We can't conceed goals like that in the Premier League", "They were great on the training pitch", "We took it to them" with something like 36% posession.
He also threw in his weekly "We must have a winning mentality" bullshit.
If it wasn't so laughable this situation I'd cry. I shouldn't even laugh because I and everyone here supports the damn club. What an absolute pathetic state of affairs. Kudos Mr. Lerner sitting in his American mansion.
£10 on if we get hammered tomorrow he'll say how it was because of the fact they're Manchester United, champions and Sir Alex is their manager, nothing to do with his defensive, negative tactics or the fact he's a shit manager. Last week we drew because of circumstances that happened earlier in the day beyond our control, even though only 3 players on our side knew the man I'm referring to.
Last week we drew because Michel Vorm made a wonderful save on Gabby, the linesman incorrectly flagged Bent for offside, and Chris Herd couldn't get his header on target. But you know, keep your head down and believe what you want.
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I would play:
GK Given
RB Hutton
CB Dunne
CB Cuellar
LB Warnock
CM Jenas
CM Petrov ©
CM Bannan
RW N'Zogbia
CF Bent
LW Agbonlahor
Subs: Guzan, Collins, Clark, Ireland, Delph, Albrighton, Heskey.
No room for Herd even on the bench?
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I don't think Villa played half as dire as a lot of others in this thread. The first half started negative, but I thought that we looked like an O'Neill side during that half- the team sat back, and created a few breaks, but Swansea's attempts to "Arsenal the ball into the net" made it a lot harder for us to get the ball. Fair play to McLeish for showing a quality Martin O'Neill never had-- the ability to go to plan B-- by setting the team out to press high and possess the ball in the second. Villa knocked the ball around quite well in the second half, even before the introductions of Bannan and Jenas, and but for a very nice save from Vorm, a misdirected late header by Herd, and a poor spot by the linesman on Jenas's chipped ball to Bent, we might have walked away 3-0 winners.
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Wonderful cross, wonderful header . . . and wonderful save from Friedel. That's a lot more like it.
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Are we playing barcelona or something???
If the rumored line up is true its a complete and utter farce talk about showing them too much respect playing 5 at the back against spurs....
How id like to see our manager take risks and be adventurous. Typical Alex McNegative
Only he's not playing 5 at the back. He IS playing Hutton, who practically plays as a midfielder anyway, in the right midfield position, and using Cuellar to cover the deep flank. Now yes, I would have preferred to see a proper winger on the right, with Hutton forcing Bale to cover him deep rather than invite Bale to run onto Cuellar, but there's some decent thinking in this approach. For one, I think the more aggressive tactic may backfire, as Hutton is a little less fit than Bale.
How I'd like to see supporters take a moment and be patient. Typical AshNegative.
Michael Beale
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I disagree with that; Clough was never quite the same after he fell out with Peter Taylor. Wenger never reached the same heights after Pat Rice left. Other side of the coin, yes, Ferguson was able to reshuffle with multiple assistants, as has been Mourinho.