hanifa

Why should we believe that Michael is indeed the Messiah?

If there are so many people proclaiming to be the Messiah, what particular features distinguish Michael from the patients of this hospital?

...what proof would you require (or did you require) in order to believe that any person proclaiming to be a Messiah was indeed who they said they were?

Do you think that society today generates a propensity for the afore-mentioned mentally ill people to proclaim themselves to be a Messiah? Or do you believe that society is at fault for declaring such people as mentally ill when they are not?

Hello NP

Every human being hears a voice and follows it, no matter what they call it.

Also, every human being is messiah-ed (anointed) for a specific purpose and work. All a man can do is to heed that inner voice and do that anointed work.

As far as Michael's Messiah-ship, you can explore the depths of it here.

May all of you be true to your True Self for there is no other God besides Him.

Paul Simon's lyrics are not yours to quote, belive me. Please, don't do that again.

Excuse me?

And, could someone of you answer my question; I'm a decent person, a good person many would even say but I reject the idea of God and regard myself as an atheist - am I going to heaven or hell?

Why would you care?

I am afraid that is not true ....

I'm sorry but I think your group is a great example of self-interested living....

Sorry, I forgot that the perfect ones cannot err....

Truly, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

Please can you (and others in your group) refrain from this kind of patronizing approach to your responses (at least to me).

We may disagree, discuss,debate and question but unless someone actually says that they do not understand then don't come out with the schoolteacher approach.

To you, it sounds patronizing. That is not the attitude/spirit in which I said it. You will just have to take my word for it. Semantics is a tricky science at best and especially because we come from two different worlds.

This truth that we at strongcity are proclaiming is not humanly friendly, if you will. The message is that the world of men, as it has been experienced for millenia, is over. Self-interested human living has been overcome. Only God will have a kingdom now.

This is not good news to the human ego. Nevertheless, we are compelled to speak what we have seen and heard and experienced ourselves. It's like having to pronounce a death sentence on the entire population of the earth and being responsible for it. The weight of this kind of message is not without its personal excruciations in the carrying out of our commission.

This message is likened to a trumpet sounding its blast. That trumpet ushered in the Jubilee. It's reverberations are going out throughout the entire earth. That trumpet began to sound on the October 31st date that was deliberately misconstrued in the End Of The World Cult movie. What the trumpet is actually saying is that everyone is set free. Set free from human domination and control, no matter how benevolent a man might try to make it appear. This proclamation includes forgiveness for everything a man has done against his Maker (remission of sins), obliteration of all debt, cancellation of contracts and everyone returning to their patrimony. The literal as well as the spiritual implications are enormous. It is the end of the world but not as Hollywood and falsehood have portrayed it.

The human ego is offended by this divine proclamation. That is because it spells out the demise of that human self. If a soul identifies themselves with that ego, they will be offended at the message as well as the messenger.

Again I say to you, snowychap, as well as all who see as you do, we are not special or different or better than anyone. We have a commission and cannot keep from it. Everyone who reads what we are saying judges themselves by what is already in their heart. It's just the way life works. One can only view another through the glasses of their own context of life.

This is the time for revealing all things. Everyone reveals who they are by how they respond to God's message. The Son of God came down from heaven for this purpose. It is the time when everyone will bow the knee.

The question was about the muslim origin and its subsequent use in the context of 'the elite christian group' as per the first line quoted above.

I have no problem with the name; it is a lovely name.

Also, are we going to be renamed over and over according to the bible? Or just once?

Well, Snowychap, what is it to me if God chose an arabic name for me? Like, what's the big deal? I'm not stuck in any kind of ethnic box or superstitious hesitation about using something because it's "supposed to" belong to another group. That seems weird to me.

And, as to the "elite christian group", if you are referring to strong city, I can say that, yes, we were chosen to play a specific part in the celestial drama but not because we are "elite". Father chose us because we were the worst off. We needed the most help in coming to the reality of the Christ Life. We were chosen, yes, but not for the reason you imply.

As for the number of times a new name will be given, how could I possibly know that? I have received a few already and there may be more, depending upon my experience.

Think of it this way. I see that your name on this forum is Snowychap. I assume that is not your birth name. It is also very likely that you have numerous other names that identify you to other people depending on your relationship to them, nicknames and the like. How many more new names will you receive? How could you know?

The new name that Father gives is not like those earth names but I thought the illustration might help you understand.

Do you not see that some might see a little irony in one of the few (48 or so) 'true' christians being given a new name which is a muslim name.

To Clarry, this is not a jibe. It is a genuine question.

I'm still not sure what your problem or your question is. God gave me a new name and I received it.

It seemed odd that a Christian changing their name to represent who they truly are would choose an arabic and ostensibly muslim name.

Although you are not a Bible man, there is a promise in there, repeated a number of times and in different places, that each of His children would receive a new name. The new name is not about just changing the letters that identify a person but reflect a profound and fundamental change in the person's character.

Here are but two of the places where He says it:

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Isaiah 62:2

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 2:17

Over the years, and at specific times, I have been given a few different names. Beautiful Ashes is one that came after a prolonged period of personal suffering. Father was speaking of the beauty that results from holy fire and was ascribing that to me.

"Hanifa" is one of those new names. At a time when I felt as low (discouraged) as a soul can get, Father spoke it into me, somewhat like He spoke Messiah into Wayne (which is much of what this thread 's premise is based on).

I did not know what the name meant initially but after I found out and although I did not "feel" like a "true believer", Father was gifting it to me and I received it. I was no longer who I had been in identity or character and He, Himself, told me who I had become. It all sounds very mysterious, I presume, to those who do not know Him but such is the case when trying to communicate with others while coming from different planets with different languages.

I asked a question on page 39 and I am still waiting for an answer.

If you don't mind, perhaps you could post your question again for carity's sake.

Btw,

is Hanifa not an odd choice of name for a christian?

Hanifa means true believer. Is that odd?

Perhaps if her post is a response to a specific individual she could indicate that in future.

Good point. Thanks for the reminder.

How you can distinguish your (collective not specific to you) foolishness and the other foolishness is remarkable.

:winkold:

To whom is this post addressed ....

Trinity_Tom and beth have been communicating in between all the foolishness. The reply to which you refer is her response to a post by him two pages back.

God never spoke to me.

That is not true, funumtch. You just had an expectation of how it was supposed to be, likely from early indoctrination in a man-made religion. Also, Father is not a blabber mouth like most people.

On a more serious note, if humanity is indeed heading for a big fall will it be solely our own doing while God watches on or will God have a hand in wiping the slate clean?

The fall is always about a choice. Father respects every individual entirely. He respects every heart enough to allow them to choose their own destruction, if they will, albeit, not without many and protracted warnings. People hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.

Yes, the end of all things will come because people have willingly and knowingly rejected God's way. He tried to warn you.....

Could you please translate this into English

You either love God all the way, or you do not love Him at all.

I find the regardless of the consequences bit very disturbing. So if god told Michael to sleep with young girls then this would be ok would it ?

You ask this from the context of your own humanity. That is somewhat like a child trying to carry his father's toolbox when the father is a steam fitter or truck mechanic. It's literally impossible.

God only asks that we let Him be God. Since "God is love", all He does is in and for love's sake. Human minds cannot comprehend this love because all it knows is the self-centered, sentimental variety that only uses another individual for satisfying its own needs.

God's instructions are always purposed to benefit all. Although one may not understand why they are being instructed to do a certain thing, performing that instruction will yield it's own understanding, as well as reward, after it is completed. NOT doing the instruction may very well leave the individual not only disappointed but broken and insane.

What is "ok" about God's instructions is trusting that He knows what He is doing. Michael has not committed any crime of morality or legality. Most of the accusations against him are the conjured up perverted imaginations of those who indulge themselves to the hurt of others.

The "regardless of the consequences" part is the test of a man's integrity and faith. Will he follow his instructions, even unto death, (maybe literally, always figuratively) and be faithful or will he compromise in someway so that he can preserve his life?

The true test of a man is made manifest in his decision to "go all the way" with God or remain frigidly apart from the Lover of his soul.

If this michael really is the Messiah,what is he doing living in this camp in america..why cant he walk over the atlantic and help the starving kids in africa ?

There are 10.000 children dieing evry day..why can't anyone help them ?

He's not that sort of Messiah. He's not here to sort out world economics/politics or to combat evil or eradicate diseases. He's here to live like on a what looks like a trailer park on a remote piece of desert and hook up with a few chicks while the rest of us spiral down into oblivion.

You know not of what you speak.

The work of a true believer, be he Messiah or street sweeper or anything in between, is to hear the Voice of God and follow His instructions to them, regardless of the consequences.

Do you?

Say, do you think Beth will answer my questions?

You could be patient, Sparky.

Can someone tell me when this madness started?

The madness began at the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden. Rather than obey the instructions to stay away from human judgments, Eve took the bait. Now, we who are God's people are being called upon to redeem that error by refusing to eat of that tree anymore in our own lives.

I'd just like to point out that nobody has forced your or your children to come and post on here, or read what's written. This is a forum for English football fans, and if you can't handle the ribald humour then I suggest you look for more suitable sites elsewhere.

I was speaking to principle, not particulars.

Although you see this site as dedicated to football, it is also a stage on which men reveal their character.

The finest aspect God's judgment is that He leaves it to men to judge themselves by their own words.

It is all so very fair.

Perhaps, it is a good thing that your children are exposed to many different forms of expression so that they can learn what is meant in jest and what is meant seriously.

The world you live in lies to children and teaches them to do so. The "jest" of which you speak is a spirit of abuse and soul-murder. It's all about "how can I make myself look better than someone else by putting them down first"?

Our children, as well as our grown up children, have seen firsthand for themselves the "jest" of your world. Each one has suffered that abuse in one form or another and usually at the hands of someone they trusted.

No, snowychap, we will not expose our children nor any soul to your "jest". We do not study war anymore.

Cultist in-fighting!

What it is actually called, rjw63, is the Great Controversy.

Every soul on earth is in it.

Will you testify for God or against Him?

This is a test to see who can hear God's voice and who cannot.

...to see who will hear and yield to God's voice and who will not.

..what are you afraid of ?

I am afraid of nothing, tony, but it is pointless to answer questions that come from a heart that already is decided. I would never, in a thousand years, be able to give a satisfactory answer to one who only wanted their own.

I tell you what - god must be getting a bit desperate if he's calling me as a character witness.

You are in it, boy. You were "called" by virtue of the fact that you were born.

Are you saying that human existence (i.e. the conglomeration of my life and the life of everyone else) is about judging god's character??

It is.

Your judgment of Him is made in every moment, in every detail of your life.

That's a novel and quite entertaining idea. Is it possible that he might lose?

I actually found it pretty sobering when I first realized this truth.

No, God will not lose for He has already won but what a pity for the souls who do not enjoy His victory because they refused to testify in His behalf. Another sobering thought is that the testimony you give in this great controversy is the very same that will either justify or condemn you with your own words.

snowychap, I don't get from you that you are truly interested in the things of God. I have no objection to answering honest questions from those who genuinely want to know but I get the feeling that you moreso just want to argue.

Am I correct in my assumption?

You are god's plaything, then?[ Are we all in some giant game of chess in your opinion (perhaps played by god and an adversary over a port and a cuban?)

Everyone is yielded to a spirit. EVERYONE. You are a "plaything" of One or the other, although that is a pretty shallow way of putting it. You can see it as a game but it is actually more like a courtroom trial.

Your life is a testimony for or against the character of God. You are, with your choices and your life, proclaiming that God is Love or He is not.

So it is either or?

Before you yielded to Christ, were you not the container for the adversary, then?

I was, no matter that I perceived myself as a "good" person.

You would hold that you (and Terry) are yielded to god.

I would say that this is certainly not evident and that is why I continue the debate.

I told you. I gave up my life in exchange for God's Life many years ago. What "evidence" would ever convince you? God gets to do what He wants with me whether I get to be the bathroom cleaner or Messiah.

A person('s spirit) is known by the fruits they manifest.

Manifest in deed or in word?

Manifest \Man"i*fest\

L. manifestus, lit., struck by the hand, hence, palpable; manus hand + fendere (in comp.) to strike

Evident to the senses, esp. to the sight; apparent; distinctly perceived; hence, obvious to the understanding; apparent to the mind; easily apprehensible; plain; not obscure or hidden

Open; clear; apparent; evident; visible; conspicuous; plain; obvious

what is manifest is very distinctly evident

To show plainly; to make to appear distinctly, -- usually to the mind; to put beyond question or doubt; to display; to exhibit

clearly apparent or obvious to the mind or senses

provide evidence for; stand as proof of; show by one's behavior, attitude, or external attributes

reveal its presence or make an appearance