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1 hour ago, John said:

Out of interest, do your brothers still follow Newcastle, Manchester United, Leeds and Liverpool, or have they resigned from being fans of those clubs as well? Have you also now successfully converted to another club and if so, to which one? 

Yes, they do (though the youngest [Liverpool] doesn't particularly care for football). 

No, it's close to impossible to convert once the passion is embedded. If you try, it just doesn't feel natural. 

I just choose to focus on work, alcohol & love life instead. It's all I've got left. 

6 minutes ago, danceoftheshamen said:

Just on that thing about the passion of fans #Scarborough_Villan, i find it interesting that you use Leicester as an example. I was at the Villa v Leicester semi final earlier in the season when we knocked them out of the cup & got to Wembley. I assume you were not at that game? The passion & fervor from the Villa fans (at home) was incredible and obliterated Leicesters lot completely. There was more than enough passion from our fans there to rebuild my faith that we would more than have enough to see a decent Villa team win major honours again.

I was also there in 1980-82 on the Holte when it was crazy & i think you are misreading 35 years of Doug Ellis led tiresomeness as a lack of passion & i can see why you could easily think that. That Leicester game & a few Last season too has proven to me the fan base is more than ready & capable of backing a successful Villa team once one emerges which i feel it will under these owners even if we dip back down to the Championship for a wee while again.

The passion you are talking about is still there it just needs the team to play some good stuff & consistently compete again against the top teams (For the whole game not just part of it like this season)

 

That's why villa beat them.. because our atmosphere overwhelmed them. I agree.. it is there.. we just need it to be more consistent, even against lesser teams. If it's a league match, it matters.. regardless of the opponent. 

6 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

I would expect the club or league to provide me with access to games that I've paid to see on my season ticket, but which I'm not permitted to attend. I don't have Sky or BT.

It would be interesting to see whether having access to those games would legally be considered as fulfilling the obligations of my season ticket in full.

 

Legally, you should be entitled to either a partial refund or the same seat for the number of games you missed for next season (and therefore a proportionately reduced price season ticket for next season). 

I remember you fondly from the DO'L era, OBE. I'm surprised you're still here, and impressed. 

Hope you're keeping well mate. UTV

11 minutes ago, PaulC said:

Most football chants are thick and moronic really. The one thing I was always jealous of with blues was ‘keep right on to the end of the road’. We have never had a great song 

Tbf we own "on the piss, my lord". I like that that chimes with our mutual love of drinking. Who else has that? 

35 minutes ago, jim said:

We wore it in the championship. We were relegated in Macron.

Sorry, I was thinking of quickbooks.. I never bought the shirts. 

1 minute ago, John said:

Some interesting conflicts here. You "stuck with them loyally" although "this club has been the bane of my life". You accept that "once you choose you're not allowed to switch tribe" yet you've "recently resigned from being a Villa fan" having previously "passionately supported a team for your entire youth" Sorry we've been a disappointment to you, have you now switched allegiance to Leicester, Newcastle, Sheffield United or perhaps Liverpool/Manchester City? 

It's very different growing up in a small town (Scarborough) that has no big club for miles around. You pick, at primary school, based on sticker books, match of the day, etc. 

I'm the eldest of 5 lads. In birth order, we chose Villa, Newcastle, Man Utd, Leeds & Liverpool. 

I actually tried to convert to Scarborough, when I lived there. But to give an example, when the away keeper takes a goal kick, the fans shout "ohhh.. aaah, you s**t b*****d!". It wasn't like the thrill of a permier league game. 

3 minutes ago, useless said:

Had a look on a Leeds forum the other day to get the perspective of a set of fans that would want the season resumed, and was surprised to see them (or a lot of them) against the idea of a twenty-two team league next season, because they're desperate for us and Norwich to be relegated after 'shambolic' seasons, given their track record of ending seasons badly if they're promoted now without having to play another game they should be just grateful for that. Reading it all made me want a null and void of the season even more, as much as I don't think that that will happen... I don't think the twenty-two man league will happen either.

They're probably afraid of a 5 team drop, given how long they've been stuck down there. 

Haha, this club has been the bane of my life, tbh. 

I started supporting in about 1994, when I was 7. I've been to many home games (though not in the last few years) and even had away season tickets. 

I stuck with them through loyalty, as once you choose you're not allowed to switch tribe. 

Also, when you've passionately supported a team for your entire youth, it's really hard to not care, or crave the thrill of victory. 

However, I'm not a brummie and have recently resigned from being a Villa fan, but I still want my old club to be the best they can be, for sentimental reasons. 

8 minutes ago, scarboro_villan said:

Yes, the nike acorns kit with sky blue shorts is a good image. The quickbooks kit isn't. 

The ugliness of that kit also contributed to our relegation. 

7 minutes ago, S-Platt said:

 

Yes, the nike acorns kit with sky blue shorts is a good image. The quickbooks kit isn't. 

1 hour ago, nick76 said:

The Holte End, inside and out.  How many non-Villa fans love our traditional stadium which gives us identity

The kit is unique....designs are loved by some Villa fans and some dislike but the colours are known 

North Stand.....one stand, that's all you got.  Our ground is consistently used for Semi-finals of the FA Cup.

Jack.....also England players like Mings and Heaton......McGinn is loved by Scotland.....Samatta by Tanzania, look at the mania over that.....you keep going.  

Away Villa fans are praised for their passion as one of the best away crowds in the premiership

Home crowds....atmospheres from the Everton this season etc

I'll submit to some of your points. I suppose I was thinking of  the general image of Villa over the last 10-15 years, rather than the last couple of seasons. 

What disappoints me about our badge is that, when Randy took over, people were merely expressing a desire to return to the round badge that we had before Doug. 

Instead he put it to a vote of shapes, colours, etc. and came out with a mish-mash joke that many on here could've designed better. 

He could've at least had an artist design it to certain specs, or (my preference) simply return to the round badge. 

2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

It would leave us with the slight problem of where we'll fit the people that have already struggled to get into Villa Park this season. I don't know if you've noticed, but we've sold out every single home game and have 7,000 people on a waiting list for season tickets. Removing 8,000 seats doesn't seem to me to be the best way forward.

I actually hadn't, my apologies. In which case, the options seem to be demolishion and replacement (my preference), or expressing even greater support for safe standing. The seats are rather narrow in the North, like the away section at the the KC, so it seems logical to gut them at the very least, when safe standing gets the green light. 

3 hours ago, nick76 said:

I don’t know what you are insinuating by those pics but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. You can find many pics of Villa players celebrating, from modern day Jack celebrating, the old semi final against Tranmere to Dalian and Deano against Wimbledon with the Umbrella (that’s iconic)

Sorry, I just wish Villa would get their image right. Kit, badge, North Stand, players (obviously Jack is great and exemplary of what I'm getting at), fans' attitude, etc. 

40 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

Lets open with the bizarre selection of Leicester as one of the teams you've chosen to demonstrate the principles of identity and passion - 25,000 people in a soulless bowl  with some happy clappers and polite applause is possibly the strangest choice for that point I can imagine - I've never been to the rugby there, did you mean that? 

As an outsider looking in, which of these 2 aesthetics do you think your average Brit would rather follow? 

44 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

As for being Celtic, no thank you - I'd sooner we keep the traditions of a football club than the identity and "character" of either of the sectarian stalwarts of Glasgow - haters are bad people.

Their atmospheres are electric. Half the times I go to Villa Park it's like a library infused with groans and verbal abuse towards our own players. I know haters are bad: "S***ing on the city as we gooo". How sad. 

I think the North Stand should be demolished and replaced with a curved "echo wall" that would allow sound to reverberate around the stadium. 

It would need to be designed by an acoustic engineer, connecting the Trinity Road and DE stands. 

It would be stylish and unique.. perhaps made from red brick, steel, glass and/or plastic. 

10 hours ago, sheepyvillian said:

What's with the plural ?

Clubs like Leicester & Newcastle have a certain aesthetic identity that, when the time comes, can instil enough supporter passion to enable them to win the league. Villa currently don't, even if we had a super-wealthy Saudi owner. Our fans are too nostalgic and seem to think a scrappy Peter Withe goal makes us better than the likes of Newcastle. Their future is now idyllic. 

As the second largest city in Britain, Villa should be the Celtic of England. But we just can't hack it. It's about character/identity, not traditions. 

27 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said:

What's with the plural ?

Could you perhaps elaborate or be more specific? 

24 minutes ago, useless said:

Playing behind closed doors is fairer than just voiding the season after 29 games, the only reason people are saying otherwise is because of our position, if we had a chance of qualifying for europe with nine games to go no doubt people would be saying different, or if we were still in the championship with a chance of promotion, or even if we were just midtable in premier league. And playing behind closed doors is certainly fairer than just relegating the bottom three as the table stands now, or working out the table based on average points per game.

Playing behind closed doors ignores the purpose of football. That tribalistic atmospheric passion & emotion affects every player intrinsically. It's more than "a twelfth man". It's the whole meaning of football. Why did Ranieri win the League with Leicester? The fans made it happen, through atmospheric passion. Villa fans just don't get that. I wish I was a geordie. 

Perhaps we should run a competition like this for our club's badge.. I don't like the Randy one. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52368010 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52368010

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A six-year-old boy in Italy is celebrating after his football shirt design was adopted by the professional team Pescara.

Luigi D'Agostino beat other children in a competition, run by the club for young fans, aimed at easing the boredom of being stuck indoors during the country's coronavirus lockdown.

We should be a club of 2 colours.. claret & sky blue. 

White shorts are an embarrassment.. like West Ham. 

I'm only talking about our home kit. Away kit can be anything that looks good and doesn't clash. 

56 minutes ago, Nigel said:

Surly the whole point of such a thing is to hopefully stop a good percentage of the country getting the virus.

The point is simply to slow the spread, so that hospitals can cope with vulnerable people and not (touch wood) exceed capacity. 

The only way we can overcome this bat virus is through herd immunity. 

A vaccine will take 12-18 months, unfortunately. 

3 hours ago, sne said:

And now the TV money is drying up. The leagues and clubs simply have to finish their commitment to the broadcasting companies that hold the TV rights.

If they don't it will all implode. And I honestly hope it does.

I agree. What I'd like to know is how much does TV money add to the price of a pint? I don't just mean when a match is on, I mean in any pub that's bought TV rights. 

Funny how a pint of Bud Light is only £1.99 in wetherspoon's, whereas it can be upwards of £4 in some pubs. 

All going to players and agents more than anything else, as others have pointed out. 

Maybe there should be some sort of independent body that players could use to negotiate contracts, instead of them using agents, it's ridiculous in this day and age. Clubs just let agents con them out of millions, it's weird. 

And surely a salary cap for players is long overdue? At least for European clubs, I mean. 

*Signs* Maybe if some people on here weren't constantly checking to see if we've signed anyone yet and just forget about it 'til we actually do then they wouldn't be so impatient. MO'N's obviously not stupid, he's very aware of the situation and he's doing his best to sort it. Just let them get on with things for **** sake.