ender4 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 But i would hate for people to have guns in the UK, it think it makes for a much safer society with no guns around. There are stacks of guns in the UK, mostly owned by criminals. There will be a few, but not stacks. Most criminals don't have a gun, only the very extreme minority might have one. and that means that most crimes committed don't have firearms involved. Which means less people get hurt when a crime does occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 But i would hate for people to have guns in the UK, it think it makes for a much safer society with no guns around. There are stacks of guns in the UK, mostly owned by criminals. There will be a few, but not stacks. Most criminals don't have a gun, only the very extreme minority might have one. and that means that most crimes committed don't have firearms involved. Which means less people get hurt when a crime does occur. Admittedly this is 10 year old BBC article and the numbers are likely to have increased rather than gone down: No-one knows how many illegal firearms there are in Britain, although estimates range from between 200,000 to several million. Whatever the true figure, it is said to be growing daily. link I'd say even the lower range of that estimate qualifies as "stacks". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Who has made that 12 year old estimate? What reasoning have they used and who is to say if it is anywhere close to that figure today? Gun crime in the UK has fallen massively in the last 10 years. Are criminals just deciding not to bring guns anymore or has their access to guns reduced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 200k to several million illegal guns just doesn't seem realistic. there were 7,000 crimes involving firearms in 2011, and the highest figures in 40 years was 11,000 crimes. even if a different gun was used for every one of those crimes, we are talking a few thousand guns at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 200k to several million illegal guns just doesn't seem realistic. there were 7,000 crimes involving firearms in 2011, and the highest figures in 40 years was 11,000 crimes. even if a different gun was used for every one of those crimes, we are talking a few thousand guns at most. Blame the BBC for the figures, not me. I think they are full of it on most things, most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 can we have some gun porn in this thread? pics of the biggest and baddest personal firearms to get the enthusiasts all hot and wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 can we have some gun porn in this thread? pics of the biggest and baddest personal firearms to get the enthusiasts all hot and wet. Im off to the range at 4pm today, i will post pics of some of mine and my buddys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 4, 2013 Moderator Share Posted October 4, 2013 Gun porn? I saw them firing a punt gun on one of those storage unit auction programmes. It didn't so much kill A duck as it did a pond of them in one go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 In Britain its often knife crime rather than gun crime thats the worry; easy to obtain and just as lethal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 can we have some gun porn in this thread? pics of the biggest and baddest personal firearms to get the enthusiasts all hot and wet. That is 60 years old, poorly maintained and still works like a dream. You really can't beat an AK-47 for rugged reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 This is what makes my piss boil about the whole charade of UK firearms legislation, especially relating to the proscription of handgun ownership. Overnight all legal owners suddenly had to give up the guns. The people who had been vetted, licenced, had to store their arms securely and use them in a controlled environment. Because they were apparently a danger to society - must be, right? Otherwise the government would have left it alone. The people who didn't have to give up their guns were the criminals because they are, er, criminals and disregard laws they don't like. The only thing the ban achieved was the removal of legally-held guns. It didn't reduce gun-related crime at all. ....... Exactly so, but I don't think there is any requirement or justification for civilians to own assault rifles. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with your point on requirement or justification. However, that AR 15 was just a lovely gun to shoot, single shot or double tap. Light, adjustable stock, I was able to get it balanced and comfortable very easily - it was an absolute joy to use. That's why I'd like one but I'd also like a Ferrari 458. I've got no requirement for a Ferrari and can't justify having a vehicle that has an engine that powerful on the road but I still want one. The reality is, of course, I'm never likely to own one of them, let alone both. And yeah, I'm aware of the speciousness of the analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Re Guns - Dom are there certain "levels" of gun that you would never own? What I mean is what do you think is acceptable as a type of gun for a home owner (in the states)? The father in law when he was alive had shotguns. I will freely admit I did not like the whole idea of the hunting thing but as a piece of engineering they were pretty spectacular Mate, thats a great question! I am grappling with that right now, I think you have to be careful as a gun owner that you dont get brainwashed or paranoid. Ive been asking myself, do i need a shotgun? do i need an assault rifle, if i did purchase them, would it be for the 'right' reasons, i mean technically the shotgun is the best close range home defense weapon, so eventually i may get one, the assualt rifle scares me quite frankly. If you own one of them it is for one reason, to cause as much damage as possible, I dont know if i would feel comfortable owning one, as it would need to be heavily secured, and thus defeats the purpose for home protection. Like i said great question, i dont do much rifle target shooting (only been once) but my buddy whom i talked about in OP is wanting to take me to the rifle range so we shall see if that long range target shooting is as enjoyable to me. Do people seriously own AR's on the pretense of "home/self defence?!" Surely an AR would be utterly useless in the event of a home invasion/burglary situation due to the sheer size of the **** thing. I can see the intimidatory power but not the practicality factor. I can certainly see the point of the shotgun in those situations but surely the sheer amount of mess you are going to make to your own property negates is stopping power? Unless burglars in the US regularly wear kevlar? I can understand the use of a pistol in the home (light, small, easy to target) or a small calibre carbine (H&K MP5 for example) but the idea that larger arms for "self-defence" is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Everyone should have an AN-94 to protect themselves that, or a G3a3.. Just in case, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dom_Wren Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share Posted October 12, 2013 apologies for late pics! Was at the range today, and shot probably the best i ever have! Top left was 9mm first 10, then .45 acp for the next two targets from 15 yards. My buddy shooting his .357, love the fire! 3 of my buddys collection: 1911, .357, 9mm 3 of mine: Smith and Wesson .357 8 shot firespitter, this one i take to the gun fight, old faithfull! my brand new smith and wesson m and p .45 acp, shot this like a pro today and my 9mm m and p which i just had sight fixed and trigger smoothed out! Our collection together! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share Posted October 12, 2013 here is a video of me shooting my .357! https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5f72bITqwscOW1taWE3QUhEdXc/edit?usp=drive_web&pli=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share Posted October 12, 2013 Re Guns - Dom are there certain "levels" of gun that you would never own? What I mean is what do you think is acceptable as a type of gun for a home owner (in the states)? The father in law when he was alive had shotguns. I will freely admit I did not like the whole idea of the hunting thing but as a piece of engineering they were pretty spectacular Mate, thats a great question! I am grappling with that right now, I think you have to be careful as a gun owner that you dont get brainwashed or paranoid. Ive been asking myself, do i need a shotgun? do i need an assault rifle, if i did purchase them, would it be for the 'right' reasons, i mean technically the shotgun is the best close range home defense weapon, so eventually i may get one, the assualt rifle scares me quite frankly. If you own one of them it is for one reason, to cause as much damage as possible, I dont know if i would feel comfortable owning one, as it would need to be heavily secured, and thus defeats the purpose for home protection. Like i said great question, i dont do much rifle target shooting (only been once) but my buddy whom i talked about in OP is wanting to take me to the rifle range so we shall see if that long range target shooting is as enjoyable to me. Do people seriously own AR's on the pretense of "home/self defence?!" Surely an AR would be utterly useless in the event of a home invasion/burglary situation due to the sheer size of the **** thing. I can see the intimidatory power but not the practicality factor. I can certainly see the point of the shotgun in those situations but surely the sheer amount of mess you are going to make to your own property negates is stopping power? Unless burglars in the US regularly wear kevlar? I can understand the use of a pistol in the home (light, small, easy to target) or a small calibre carbine (H&K MP5 for example) but the idea that larger arms for "self-defence" is laughable. AR would be used for multiple intruders, shotgun would be in closed spaces, from what im told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Yep, an AR would make sense if you live in an isolated rural area. You can use it to hunt, and for a WTSHTF weapon and the horde is marching on your property. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Jesus Dom ! ~I could get a tighter grouping at 300 yards with the SA80 than you did at 20 yards . Poor show sir ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 **** weird. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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