ozvillafan Posted November 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Spoony said: Any idea of premier league refs being corrupt is just mental. Or having an “agenda” against certain teams. Every damned fan says the same, including Man Utd fans etc. That suggests to me it’s a very level playing field. The constant blaming of refs or labelling them all shite is tiresome (how could the ALL be shite? Perhaps it’s just a really bloody hard job??) It's a thankless job, but it's not a difficult one. You call it as you see it. And by "see it" I mean by the incident in isolation, not the colour of the shirt. Nor the sound of the crowd. Do that consistently and the players and crowd don't get frustrated at you. You're not ever going to get every call right - but that's what VAR is for. And therein lies the problem with VAR - at times they are looking at multiple angles in slow motion looking for contact that really isn't there. If they actually left it as "clear and obvious error" we'd all be better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Spoony said: Any idea of premier league refs being corrupt is just mental. Or having an “agenda” against certain teams. Every damned fan says the same, including Man Utd fans etc. That suggests to me it’s a very level playing field. The constant blaming of refs or labelling them all shite is tiresome (how could the ALL be shite? Perhaps it’s just a really bloody hard job??) I was listening to an interview with Marciniak, polish UEFA referee, and he was saying how refs have certain instructions and guides outside the rules of the game. For example, they wouldn't likely give a red card for an offence in a high profile game in order "not to ruin the show". The same goes with penalties - the threshold of considering something a foul is higher. That to me in itself shows how crooked the refereeing system is. If Brighton come to Old Trafford and Maguire elbows someone in 3rd minute, why shouldn't that be treated as it would in a Stoke Millwall game in 84th minute? A foul or a card should be given anytime and whywhere on the pitch. I'm not saying referees are corrupt. I'm saying the system is bent towards making dodgy decisions and being able to justify them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 i dont think they're corrupt i think they're inept i think the rule makers have made so many changes in such a short period of time that the message has been lost on fans and with certain things no one has a clue whats going on anymore which isnt helped by football having years of myths built around it like last man and got the ball, i would say that the offside and handball rules are a mess i also think that its human nature to be influenced by pressure and refs do come under huge amounts of pressure from players, managers, fans and especially the media so whilst corrupt and agenda arent correct i do think the likes of man utd get decisions that we dont, not always but its a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Mic09 said: I was listening to an interview with Marciniak, polish UEFA referee, and he was saying how refs have certain instructions and guides outside the rules of the game. For example, they wouldn't likely give a red card for an offence in a high profile game in order "not to ruin the show". The same goes with penalties - the threshold of considering something a foul is higher. That to me in itself shows how crooked the refereeing system is. If Brighton come to Old Trafford and Maguire elbows someone in 3rd minute, why shouldn't that be treated as it would in a Stoke Millwall game in 84th minute? A foul or a card should be given anytime and whywhere on the pitch. I'm not saying referees are corrupt. I'm saying the system is bent towards making dodgy decisions and being able to justify them. Surely be a disadvantage to Brighton if Maguire got sent off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 There was a BBC article about an automated offside system and that it could be introduced in Qatar. That would work well - just like goal line technology, the ref would get a watch buzz when the ball is played offside based on something like 30 live cameras. It would be better than the silly line drawing we have today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 How do the cameras decide who is interfering with play and who isn't? Saying that I'd be happy if that rule was scrapped as a by product of this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: How do the cameras decide who is interfering with play and who isn't? Saying that I'd be happy if that rule was scrapped as a by product of this It's vague enough for decisions to be manipulated for profit or perverse assignment. Example, pgmol have been instructed to make sure Newcastle go down to in order to delay their assault on the elite......probably. Great news for Dean Smith though, one less to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: How do the cameras decide who is interfering with play and who isn't? IMHO if you are NOT interfering with play then you shouldnt be on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Mike Dean is proper wank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2021 I despise Mike Dean but apart from his usual over dramatic hand gestures I can't think of much he did wrong last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I despise Mike Dean but apart from his usual over dramatic hand gestures I can't think of much he did wrong last night wasn't too bad but no idea how they didn't get a single booking they cynically cut us down every time we tried to break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: wasn't too bad but no idea how they didn't get a single booking they cynically cut us down every time we tried to break Yeah that's fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 I like Mike Dean if you cam tolerate his OTT behaviour he is one of the better referees in the league (not a great competition) Guy must be reffing 25 years thats the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted December 2, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2021 The league have charged both Palace and us for failing to control our players in the game they sent the trainee to referee. Both clubs should charge the FA for failing to provide a qualified referee. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 It's nonsense. I see Manchester United, who did the same with a penalty recently, have not been mentioned anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Just watching Tottenham game. That John Moss got a right belly on him. Can't be fit surely? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Just watching Tottenham game. That John Moss got a right belly on him. Can't be fit surely? And 51 years old Why cant he keep up with world class professionals in their mid 20s? Technology is definitley the answer to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: And 51 years old Why cant he keep up with world class professionals in their mid 20s? Technology is definitley the answer to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, May-Z said: It's nonsense. I see Manchester United, who did the same with a penalty recently, have not been mentioned anywhere. And the same now after the Arsenal goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: And 51 years old Why cant he keep up with world class professionals in their mid 20s? Technology is definitley the answer to help Bigger juggling balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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