tomaspg Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 guzan seems like a guy who could do it, but really you want a outfield player that can run and talk to the ref and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mart-L7 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Guzan is going to turn into another villa legend, he's the only one without fail that always claps and thanks the fans. If I had my pick right now Guzan is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Personality wise I think Guzan is the best candidate, but keepers are just not right for the captain's role out on the pitch. I wouldn't want to put that pressure on Delph as he still needs to develop his game a lot, Westwood would be a maybe, but I think Vlaar is still probably the best option this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 When we sign our midfield general who will provide the leadership and drive we need in midfield, he will be our captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AValon Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 You don't go changing it now. Remember Bent and the capataincy anyone? Next season, depending on how this one goes, we should take a look and see who is capable of stepping up. IMO, Westwood has all the credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Best captains are in thick of the action and in the best position to organise the team. Ideally, one of the centre backs, failing that defensive midfield. Goal keepers are too isolated and can't be heard, and strikers generally act selfishly as nature of their position, and aren't involved organizing the defence. I like the idea of Delph as captain. He has got many attributes for the role: energy, inspirational tackles and surges, a natural passion with which fans identify. At the moment though he is still too new to the team and gaining form. We don't want captaincy to affect his consistency. After Christmas at the earliest even if we don't have Vlaar in the first XI. Captain order now: Vlaar. Clark. Agbonlahor. Guzan. Delph. Westwood. Lowton Alternative order: Vlaar. Clark. Delph. Agbonlahor. Guzan. Westwood. Lowton Edit: Depending on how good Okore's English is, I'd consider him too. Edited August 25, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted August 25, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 25, 2013 Personality wise I think Guzan is the best candidate, but keepers are just not right for the captain's role out on the pitch. Shit, someone should probably tell that to this guy: I recognise that argument that an outfield player should be captain as they're 'closer to the action', but a goalkeeper can still have huge influence from his position. Also, you can have other outfield players that are influential in a similar way to a captain, even if they don't have the armband, which is more symbolic and means more than simply being able to communicate on the pitch. You want someone who's not just vocal, but also representative of the club and sets an example in terms of mentality, through a combination of their own attitude and experience, as well as ability. Both captains at the last Euros were goalkeepers, and there are plenty of other examples - Yashin, Zoff, Shilton, Schmeichel, Kahn, etc. - of famous and successful goalkeeping captains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Goalkeeper captain is useful when you have a lot of potential chiefs in the outfield and don't want to give any one of them the captaincy because their elevation would piss off the others. Who was the England captain when Gerrard, Lampard and Beckham were playing in the same team? We don't have this problem at the moment so making goalie the captain would put us at a disadvantage. We need a strong leader literally in the middle of the park. Edited August 25, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted August 26, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2013 Actually, yeah. Bannan for captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Goalkeeper has a better view of whats going on than most and if you're as vocal as guzan i wouldn't have too much problems with him being captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Goalkeeper has a better view of whats going on than most and if you're as vocal as guzan i wouldn't have too much problems with him being captain. Manager has an even better view and most of the time is closer to the action than the goalie. Guzan is a leader and can do it but I like a captain who can organise defensively but also drive the team forward from defence to attack. A goal keeper is limited in his ability to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 26, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 26, 2013 I've no problem with Vlaar as captain. It's a role of little significance anyway. Once the side is full of leaders that's the main thing. As one of the few older players in the side I think he's probably the right choice. You could argue for Guzan but considering Vlaar already has the role, it would be a counter-productive snub (and bad management) to take it off him for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myko Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Actually, yeah. Bannan for captain. With Ireland as vice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I would like to see Doug Ellis as our new captain. That way we would score a bicycle kick off every corner when we're attacking & we could even persuade Halfords to sponsor him too after he has wiped the floor with Bradley Wiggins & Chris Froome in the Tour De France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juteface Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I think Vlaar should be captain for the meantime. If there's to be a change I'd have both Gabby and Guzan in that role. Guzan is vocal and driven, however you can't expect him to come running out of the box to deal with the ref in a kerfuffle. Gabby is maturing and showing that he can be very vocal and driven, he's really gunning for it these days. We go down a goal and he's got the fires of hell inside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 26, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 26, 2013 Vlaar, Gabby, Guzan, Delph. We have good characters throughout the team, some who could make good captains and others who don't need one to motivate themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feidhlim Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I'm not sure Rob Vlaar is our best choice for captain. He doesn't act like a captain, in fact he hardly seems to open his mouth at all. He doesn't lead by example on the pitch, either. IMO, Guzan, Weimann or Delph are better suited to wear the armband. I agree. A player that doesn't even exist shouldn't be our captain. I can only assume he meant Rob Vlaar of the Niagara Christian Hockey League http://hometeamsonline.com/teams/default.asp?u=CNCHL_HOCKEY&t=c&s=hockey&p=profile&playerID=63385 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Nothing wrong with a Keeper being captain... Edited August 27, 2013 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Nothing wrong with a Keeper being captain... Nothing wrong but not first preference either. Too far from the action on the pitch - no better than a manager barking orders from his technical area. Goalies are better as a vice-captain. You retain their influence off the pitch, but on the pitch you have a leader on the front lines of the action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Nothing wrong with a Keeper being captain... Nothing wrong but not first preference either. Too far from the action on the pitch - no better than a manager barking orders from his technical area. Goalies are better as a vice-captain. You retain their influence off the pitch, but on the pitch you have a leader on the front lines of the action. Con is now the best poster on VT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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