Juju Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 If animals can be gay, as can humans, I still think its an evolutionary "firewall", in the event of something horrendous happining which affects primarilly hetrosexuals, gay men can still breed with women, and gay women can still give birth, but its like making sure genetically speaking that theres a fall backposition for a calamity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 9, 2007 Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2007 There's no such thing as free will. Yes there is but don't make me find the last post where we had this debate and resort to copy and paste :-) though your toaster post does deserve another airing .... they would reply "don't be so daft I don't want to be Gay" - in other words they are unable to choose to be Gay, because something is stopping them making that decision. They can't actually choose to be gay. whilst I can see your argument to my eye it's kind of flawed (but I could be having another dim moment) swap "gay" for "serial killer" in your example .. "don't be so daft I don't want to be a serial killer " - in other words they are unable to choose to be a serial killer , because something is stopping them making that decision. They can't actually choose to be a serial killer. in which case what makes a person a serial killer ? surely it comes down to choice ? Pretty much that supports my argument. Prove me wrong - shcoose to be a serial killer. You just can't. You're not "wired up" to commit mass murders (I hope, eek) Tony. There was something in the news maybe 3 months ago about a man who had a brain tumour. This normal bloke became sexually extremely deviant, criminally so had his intent been carried through. The tumour was found, removed successfully and he returned to normality once the pressure on his brain was removed. His brain was to all intents changed by the tumour, but when it was removed, it was fine again. There was no choice, he didn't choose to get paedophile impulses. I'd look for a link, but it's not the sort of thing I want to search for on t'interweb, frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 There's no such thing as free will. Yes there is but don't make me find the last post where we had this debate and resort to copy and paste :-) though your toaster post does deserve another airing .... they would reply "don't be so daft I don't want to be Gay" - in other words they are unable to choose to be Gay, because something is stopping them making that decision. They can't actually choose to be gay. whilst I can see your argument to my eye it's kind of flawed (but I could be having another dim moment) swap "gay" for "serial killer" in your example .. "don't be so daft I don't want to be a serial killer " - in other words they are unable to choose to be a serial killer , because something is stopping them making that decision. They can't actually choose to be a serial killer. in which case what makes a person a serial killer ? surely it comes down to choice ? Pretty much that supports my argument. Prove me wrong - shcoose to be a serial killer. You just can't. You're not "wired up" to commit mass murders (I hope, eek) Tony. There was something in the news maybe 3 months ago about a man who had a brain tumour. This normal bloke became sexually extremely deviant, criminally so had his intent been carried through. The tumour was found, removed successfully and he returned to normality once the pressure on his brain was removed. His brain was to all intents changed by the tumour, but when it was removed, it was fine again. There was no choice, he didn't choose to get paedophile impulses. I'd look for a link, but it's not the sort of thing I want to search for on t'interweb, frankly. The sounds desperately like an episode of SVU, I watched last week!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olejniker Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I think people who are homosexual are just trying to justify their situation by saying oh, I'm born a fag, and I can't do anything about it. It's okay to be a homosexual because it's in my genes. Bullshit. Homosexuality is wrong. And fags all around the world know it, although they refuse to admit it, and resort to some stupid, I'm born with it argument. In the end, it's your choice and your choice alone whether you want to be homosexual or not. A serial killer may have a family history of violence, but in the end it's his own choice whether or not he shoots the guy. No one is forcing him to shoot the guy. He made that decision himself. Drug addicts can choose to continue indulging in themselves, or choose to seek help. No one is forcing them to continue doing drugs. Homosexuals can choose NOT to be homosexuals. Whenever they think about people of the same gender in a sexual way, they can push that image out of their mind through prayer and/or meditation. It's the same thing with sex/porn addicts. They can choose not to go onto a porno website. They can choose not to go to a brothel. In the same way, Homosexuals can choose whether or not they want to have a sexual, intimate relationship with a person of the same gender. Life is about choices. And through these choices, you ultimately decide what you want to be. Don't blame fate, destiny and genetics on your choices. There's no such thing as I was forced to do it. I didn't have a choice. There's always an alternative, a different way to apporach things. So don't try jutifying homosexuality by saying I was destined to be a gay because I was born with "gay" genes. It's your choice whether you want to be gay or not. It's difficult, that's for sure, but if Drug/Porn/Sex addicts can curb their perverse desires, I don't see why gays are any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I think people who are homosexual are just trying to justify their situation by saying oh, I'm born a fag, and I can't do anything about it. It's okay to be a homosexual because it's in my genes. Bullshit. Homosexuality is wrong. And fags all around the world know it, although they refuse to admit it, and resort to some stupid, I'm born with it argument. In the end, it's your choice and your choice alone whether you want to be homosexual or not. A serial killer may have a family history of violence, but in the end it's his own choice whether or not he shoots the guy. No one is forcing him to shoot the guy. He made that decision himself. Drug addicts can choose to continue indulging in themselves, or choose to seek help. No one is forcing them to continue doing drugs. Homosexuals can choose NOT to be homosexuals. Whenever they think about people of the same gender in a sexual way, they can push that image out of their mind through prayer and/or meditation. It's the same thing with sex/porn addicts. They can choose not to go onto a porno website. They can choose not to go to a brothel. In the same way, Homosexuals can choose whether or not they want to have a sexual, intimate relationship with a person of the same gender. Life is about choices. And through these choices, you ultimately decide what you want to be. Don't blame fate, destiny and genetics on your choices. There's no such thing as I was forced to do it. I didn't have a choice. There's always an alternative, a different way to apporach things. So don't try jutifying homosexuality by saying I was destined to be a gay because I was born with "gay" genes. It's your choice whether you want to be gay or not. It's difficult, that's for sure, but if Drug/Porn/Sex addicts can curb their perverse desires, I don't see why gays are any different. Well thank god you put us right on that , Honey!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villadude Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 I think people who are homosexual are just trying to justify their situation by saying oh, I'm born a fag, and I can't do anything about it. It's okay to be a homosexual because it's in my genes. Bullshit. Homosexuality is wrong. And fags all around the world know it, although they refuse to admit it, and resort to some stupid, I'm born with it argument. In the end, it's your choice and your choice alone whether you want to be homosexual or not. A serial killer may have a family history of violence, but in the end it's his own choice whether or not he shoots the guy. No one is forcing him to shoot the guy. He made that decision himself. Drug addicts can choose to continue indulging in themselves, or choose to seek help. No one is forcing them to continue doing drugs. Homosexuals can choose NOT to be homosexuals. Whenever they think about people of the same gender in a sexual way, they can push that image out of their mind through prayer and/or meditation. It's the same thing with sex/porn addicts. They can choose not to go onto a porno website. They can choose not to go to a brothel. In the same way, Homosexuals can choose whether or not they want to have a sexual, intimate relationship with a person of the same gender. Life is about choices. And through these choices, you ultimately decide what you want to be. Don't blame fate, destiny and genetics on your choices. There's no such thing as I was forced to do it. I didn't have a choice. There's always an alternative, a different way to apporach things. So don't try jutifying homosexuality by saying I was destined to be a gay because I was born with "gay" genes. It's your choice whether you want to be gay or not. It's difficult, that's for sure, but if Drug/Porn/Sex addicts can curb their perverse desires, I don't see why gays are any different. Erm, ok, live by the sword, die by the sword dude! :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 I think people who are homosexual are just trying to justify their situation by saying oh, I'm born a fag, and I can't do anything about it. It's okay to be a homosexual because it's in my genes. Bullshit. Homosexuality is wrong. And fags all around the world know it, although they refuse to admit it, and resort to some stupid, I'm born with it argument. In the end, it's your choice and your choice alone whether you want to be homosexual or not. A serial killer may have a family history of violence, but in the end it's his own choice whether or not he shoots the guy. No one is forcing him to shoot the guy. He made that decision himself. Drug addicts can choose to continue indulging in themselves, or choose to seek help. No one is forcing them to continue doing drugs. Homosexuals can choose NOT to be homosexuals. Whenever they think about people of the same gender in a sexual way, they can push that image out of their mind through prayer and/or meditation. It's the same thing with sex/porn addicts. They can choose not to go onto a porno website. They can choose not to go to a brothel. In the same way, Homosexuals can choose whether or not they want to have a sexual, intimate relationship with a person of the same gender. Life is about choices. And through these choices, you ultimately decide what you want to be. Don't blame fate, destiny and genetics on your choices. There's no such thing as I was forced to do it. I didn't have a choice. There's always an alternative, a different way to apporach things. So don't try jutifying homosexuality by saying I was destined to be a gay because I was born with "gay" genes. It's your choice whether you want to be gay or not. It's difficult, that's for sure, but if Drug/Porn/Sex addicts can curb their perverse desires, I don't see why gays are any different. Erm, ok, live by the sword, die by the sword dude! :shock: Oh, don't be nasty, I think he's sweet, I love latent homophobia!! :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablopicasso Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 its laughing gravity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villadude Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Oh, don't be nasty, I think he's sweet, I love latent homophobia!! :winkold: This guy's just gagging for a row aint he! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablopicasso Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 with his blatent homosexual tensions, hes obviously gagging for something else as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villadude Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 its laughing gravity! Oh yeah, whatever happened to him? He was up for a good row too wasn't he. Remember all that Ad Hominem mularky, wasn't that all down to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olejniker Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 You may think I'm harsh, but I don't like people not taking responsibility for their own choices. It's like a serial killer saying:"It's not my fault I shot the guy. My ancestors were violent people, and thus I was born with a "violent gene". It's not my fault, it's my ancenstors fault for giving me that gene!" In the same way, a gay would say:"It's not my fault I'm gay. I was born with a "gay" gene. If you want to blame anyone, blame my parents for giving me a "gay" gene. I'm completely innocent and did not choose this lifestyle at all. It's my genes that made me live this lifestyle, not my choices." I'm not Homophobic. I don't discriminate against Homosexuals and label them as evil horrible people. I think that Homosexuals are normal people who have made a terrible mistake. Yes, I do think that Homosexuality is a sin, but it's just like all the other sins and evils in the world, which normal people commit everyday. But, what I can't stand, is their shirking of responsibility. If other people can admit that they made their own decisions, why can't Gays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 You may think I'm harsh, but I don't like people not taking responsibility for their own choices. It's like a serial killer saying:"It's not my fault I shot the guy. My ancestors were violent people, and thus I was born with a "violent gene". It's not my fault, it's my ancenstors fault for giving me that gene!" In the same way, a gay would say:"It's not my fault I'm gay. I was born with a "gay" gene. If you want to blame anyone, blame my parents for giving me a "gay" gene. I'm completely innocent and did not choose this lifestyle at all. It's my genes that made me live this lifestyle, not my choices." I'm not Homophobic. I don't discriminate against Homosexuals and label them as evil horrible people. I think that Homosexuals are normal people who have made a terrible mistake. Yes, I do think that Homosexuality is a sin, but it's just like all the other sins and evils in the world, which normal people commit everyday. But, what I can't stand, is their shirking of responsibility. If other people can admit that they made their own decisions, why can't Gays? Ooooo, big boy, your giving me a stonker now!!! Any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablopicasso Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 innocent of what? what crime has been commited to make them cry innocence? what do they do, that is so bad, that they make you irritated because they arent taking "responsibility"? and as i said, i have first hand experience of this, and i nearly lost a brother to him so badly not wanting to be naturally and instinctively attracted to men... so you can sit there, preach your godsquad shit, and tell me that he had a choice... but you will be talking out of your arse, and it will have been people like YOU, who caused my brother to feel so bad about his natural ways, that he felt like he had to attempt suicide... hope youre **** proud of yourself and your church... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olejniker Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 I'm not sure why you can't accept my opinion. I believe that Homosexuality is a sin, and is wrong. That's something that I honestly and truly believe. You may disagree, but that's your opinion, not mine. You, with 4000 over post should know by now that on a forum, there are many people who do not share the same school of thought as you. Accept it and move on. *Edit* I believe that a Homosexual can choose not to be a Homosexual. And I believe that Homosexuality is a sin, and should be dealt with the same way people deal with addictions amd other forms of sin. I'm not attacking Gays. I don't hate them. I just feel that they should not blame their genes for their choice of lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablopicasso Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 are you a catholic olejniker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 In what way is it a sin? Serious, I'm interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olejniker Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 In the bible, Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by God because it was a unholy city, and the people there were Homosexual. He condemned the city and let Lot, the only "innocent" man leave the place before he destroyed it. And yes, Pablo, I'm a Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 The defence rests......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villadude Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 I'm not sure why you can't accept my opinion. I believe that Homosexuality is a sin, and is wrong. That's something that I honestly and truly believe. You may disagree, but that's your opinion, not mine. You, with 4000 over pots should know by now that on a forum, there are many people who do not share the same school of thought as you. Accept it and move on. A good freind of mine who happens to like a bit of bum fun, once tried to cure himself of his 'illness' when he was much younger. He hated the fact he was into looking at blokes a great deal more than at pretty ladies, so he tried to cure himself of this awful burdon by going with a lady of the night. He honestly thought after a bit of box action it would change him and make him into a real man. Of course, it was all bollocks, and it obviously didn't work, in fact he couldn't even get a hard on, he just felt sick at the sight and touch of this womans body, made his excuses and moved on. People are either genuinely into male or female sex and relationships, it's totally natural to them, they have no choice, it's what they're into. Get over it dude and accept it...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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