Stevo985 Posted June 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, villa4europe said: I've been to the races about 5 times and bet about £10 a race It would explain my thoughts on gambling, I was bored and drunk I wouldn't normally bet on horses because I find it boring, it's the gambling that's interesting so I can just remove myself from it entirely Not sure if people who gamble on football are doing it to try and make the whole thing more exciting but again I can avoid it by happily swerving any non villa game, euros I'm enjoying Yeah fortunately I'v e never got the appeal of gambling in general. The only gambling I really do is when it's part of the game if that makes sense. So a day at the racing, a poker night, a casino visit etc. And each time I'm only doing it because it's part of the fun. I have real sympathy for people who get addicted to it. It must be a horrific thing to try and get over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I agree with you both. Believe it or not I deposited £50 into my account at the beginning of the tournament and I started off with little bets as £20 on handicap betting i.e France -1 goal etc. and was winning a few of those, in the end I was betting with their money so to speak. But yes, being as up as much as I am today, I have already withdrew it all now this morning since they have suspended me from betting any further now. Will take the missus shopping on Saturday and out for dinner etc. Fwiw. I only really bet at the Cheltenham festival or at Euro's/World cups etc. It could be that big bets on fairly specific things has set off alarms for potential misuse (like matched betting). Its not typical betting behaviour so they just cut you off to make sure you’re not scamming them. They have enough mugs to keep them in multimillion bonuses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I have real sympathy for people who get addicted to it. It must be a horrific thing to try and get over Me too. Gambling and alcohol are deeply ingrained into western life that for anyone who has developed an issue with either it must be really hard to shut off from temptation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AvfcRigo82 Posted June 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yeah fortunately I'v e never got the appeal of gambling in general. I have real sympathy for people who get addicted to it. It must be a horrific thing to try and get over I guess the same could be said for people that trade in stocks and shares to a degree? Luckily, my late father worked in a bookmakers in the early 90's marking the board and even at a young age I seen some horrific scenes of people losing houses and businesses etc. over the years which opened my eyes at a very young age to the dangers of it all. I think for people in this day an age it's even worse as we have adverts on TV every 5 minutes telling us all the possibly odds on various markets and events, and that's before we even touch on these roulette machines in betting shops and online - where you can loose stupid money in a matter of minutes! They're worse than heroin those things. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Betting sites and betting companies. Having been on a bit of a winning streak in the Euro's, with this week mainly - winning nearly £3k since Tuesday (Portugal to win 3-0 and Ronaldo to score last) (Italy to win 3-0 And Immobile to score last) and only small stakes of £100 a time etc. Only to find today they have restricted my account! They're happy to take people's money but hate paying it out! c****! now tell us about all your £100 bets that haven't paid off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: now tell us about all your £100 bets that haven't paid off In all honesty I wish I could but they were the only two I made of those stakes and luckily they both paid off. As mentioned already, In hindsight they have probably done us both a favour in terms of the possibility of me risk losing it all or themselves from me winning anymore from them. If I had a problem/addiction, I would have since setup another account with another company. Instead, i'm going to take the money and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Which bookie cut you off? It's usually taking value that they hate more than actually winning but some have a much smaller tolerance than others. EW bets on long odds horses are a real account killer for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: Which bookie cut you off? It's usually taking value that they hate more than actually winning but some have a much smaller tolerance than others. EW bets on long odds horses are a real account killer for instance. William Hill. The reason I was given was 'a traders descision' This is what I don't understand, as I made a fair whack at Cheltenham festival just gone (again in the thousands) and they did nothing!? I would have thought then they would have restricted the account. Account has been used once since then for a bet on a Villa game. Bit bizarre their behaviour because of a few results in the Euro's this week. Anyway, f*** em. I've taken my money and ran. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: William Hill. The reason I was given was 'a traders descision' This is what I don't understand, as I made a fair whack at Cheltenham festival just gone (again in the thousands) and they did nothing!? I would have thought then they would have restricted the account. Account has been used once since then for a bet on a Villa game. Bit bizarre their behaviour because of a few results in the Euro's this week. Anyway, f*** em. I've taken my money and ran. Account reviews can seemingly be periodic or triggered by certain betting patterns. Nobody knows exactly what causes them to wield the axe but luckily for you there's plenty more bookies out there. As a former matched better I am restricted at virtually every UK bookie. I think I only have Paddy Power still in tact. Edited June 17, 2021 by Wainy316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 The bookmakers are getting worse. The ante post odds for next years Cheltenham are horrendous. They got stung this year big time, so they have tightened things up even more. I’ve read of accounts being closed because someone was +£500 since opening their account . Shocking really. I haven’t had a bet for 2 months. Just can’t be arsed . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 17, 2021 Moderator Share Posted June 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: William Hill. The reason I was given was 'a traders descision' This is what I don't understand, as I made a fair whack at Cheltenham festival just gone (again in the thousands) and they did nothing!? I would have thought then they would have restricted the account. Account has been used once since then for a bet on a Villa game. Bit bizarre their behaviour because of a few results in the Euro's this week. Anyway, f*** em. I've taken my money and ran. Its like being a card counter at Blackjack in Las Vegas Blackjack is one of those games that the odds only very slightly favour the house if everyone sticks to the accepted roadmap You can win at Blackjack, just knowing the basic roadmap you've only overcome small odds. The House is fine with this Card counters have modified roadmaps for the amount of picture cards left in the shoe, these roadmaps swing the odds away from the house considerably The House hates card counters BUT card counting is not illegal nor is it cheating. If the pit boss suspects you're a card counter, your night is over. "Excuse me Sir, No more Blackjack this evening, you are quite welcome to play any of our other games". Of course the card counter just walks out and tries his hand elsewhere, he's interested in the odds being in his favour, none of the other games really are (even Roulette, has a slight edge for the house (0 and 00 effectively) Gambling establishments don't like it up 'em 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, bickster said: Its like being a card counter at Blackjack in Las Vegas Blackjack is one of those games that the odds only very slightly favour the house if everyone sticks to the accepted roadmap You can win at Blackjack, just knowing the basic roadmap you've only overcome small odds. The House is fine with this Card counters have modified roadmaps for the amount of picture cards left in the shoe, these roadmaps swing the odds away from the house considerably The House hates card counters BUT card counting is not illegal nor is it cheating. If the pit boss suspects you're a card counter, your night is over. "Excuse me Sir, No more Blackjack this evening, you are quite welcome to play any of our other games". Of course the card counter just walks out and tries his hand elsewhere, he's interested in the odds being in his favour, none of the other games really are (even Roulette, has a slight edge for the house (0 and 00 effectively) Gambling establishments don't like it up 'em Back in the day when it was one deck and shuffled by the dealer it was like printing money to some. 6 decks and a shuffling machine for years now, I've no idea what the stats say but the house has increased their odds. Casinos hate Pro gamblers, they want recreational gamblers who haven't a clue what they are doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 17, 2021 Moderator Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: Back in the day when it was one deck and shuffled by the dealer it was like printing money to some. 6 decks and a shuffling machine for years now, I've no idea what the stats say but the house has increased their odds. Casinos hate Pro gamblers, they want recreational gamblers who haven't a clue what they are doing. It all depends how deep the cut is in the shoe, casinos short of cash will have a shallow cut and house rules on a soft 16 also vary. Those are the signs the pro-blackjack players look for There are modified roadmaps for the depth of cut etc, There are hundreds of books written on the subject 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, bickster said: It all depends how deep the cut is in the shoe, casinos short of cash will have a shallow cut and house rules on a soft 16 also vary. Those are the signs the pro-blackjack players look for There are modified roadmaps for the depth of cut etc, There are hundreds of books written on the subject Haven't looked in to it too much but I've witnessed a few live over the years, it can still be done with 6 decks but it's incomparable to a.single deck. The smart pro's could go virtually undetected by not being too greedy, perfectly timing their bet sizes, have losing sessions to give a little back, moaning that they never win etc, brilliant. Anyone that sticks it up a casino is a.legend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 17, 2021 Moderator Share Posted June 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: Haven't looked in to it too much but I've witnessed a few live over the years, it can still be done with 6 decks but it's incomparable to a.single deck. The smart pro's could go virtually undetected by not being too greedy, perfectly timing their bet sizes, have losing sessions to give a little back, moaning that they never win etc, brilliant. Anyone that sticks it up a casino is a.legend. Only time I've ever been to Vegas, I went with my mate Dave, a card counter. We broke his record, 5 casinos in a week he was asked to play a different game. Majorly funny, especially as we accepted all the free beers because we were playing the tables for hours 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted June 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, bickster said: Its like being a card counter at Blackjack in Las Vegas Blackjack is one of those games that the odds only very slightly favour the house if everyone sticks to the accepted roadmap You can win at Blackjack, just knowing the basic roadmap you've only overcome small odds. The House is fine with this Card counters have modified roadmaps for the amount of picture cards left in the shoe, these roadmaps swing the odds away from the house considerably The House hates card counters BUT card counting is not illegal nor is it cheating. If the pit boss suspects you're a card counter, your night is over. "Excuse me Sir, No more Blackjack this evening, you are quite welcome to play any of our other games". Of course the card counter just walks out and tries his hand elsewhere, he's interested in the odds being in his favour, none of the other games really are (even Roulette, has a slight edge for the house (0 and 00 effectively) Gambling establishments don't like it up 'em I got asked to leave a casino in Gibraltar the other year .. was in the wee small hours and I'd been on it all day , my mate was playing Blackjack at table along with 5 or so strangers it was a social bunch the vibe had been chilled and chatty , so one hand i kinda went down the table , going stick , stick , twist ,twist , stick etc ... and everyone at the table won (except the dealer obviously ) And then me and my mate were asked to leave as i was card counting .. Seriously , i could barely stand up , not even sure I could count how many fingers I had let alone a deck of cards ... If they had asked me to leave because i was drunk , then no arguments , leave because I was scruffy no arguments , leave because I was ugly , I'd have just assumed they were talking to my mate but fair enough we are off ...but card counting because everyone won a hand .. ridiculous 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2021 When I was a kid I would sometimes pick a horse in the Grand National, and my dad would put a small each way bet on for me. Also as a kid, I sometimes put pennies in fruit machines in seaside amusement arcades. I was in the lottery syndicate at work. And I occasionally buy a raffle ticket. Other than that I've never gambled. Never been in a bookie's, never been in a casino, never been on a gambling website. Absolutely zero appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Also as a kid, I sometimes put pennies in fruit machines in seaside amusement arcades. Not fruit machines but those machines you put 2p in and watch them build up and tip over the edge still one of my finest sporting moments when i heard that distinctive coin drop noise somewhere off to my left and managed to beat some 82 year old woman with a zimmer frame to the 8p that had dropped out talk about a sore loser , though with hindsight maybe it didn't require a victory dance but even those machines seem to be addictive for people , spend £5 to win 26 p and a rubber keyring that they randomly place on top 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I just nipped to the attic room for a bit of peace on the toilet. 2 minutes in and the smoke alarm is going off from the kitchen. I let it ring out as my wife is cooking. Turns out I am a word removed as it could have been a fire and I valued finishing my shit over the property and life. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 17, 2021 Moderator Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Seat68 said: I just nipped to the attic room for a bit of peace on the toilet. 2 minutes in and the smoke alarm is going off from the kitchen. I let it ring out as my wife is cooking. Turns out I am a word removed as it could have been a fire and I valued finishing my shit over the property and life. Sorry love, thought you were just cooking and playing with your dub siren at the same time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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