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I wonder if this lockdown will change employers attitudes to working from home? Its proved that people can do the job and in most instances are far more efficient from home. 

I'm usually 2 days a week at home... if I could stretch that to 3 or 4 ideally, I'd look to move out to the countryside. 

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Just now, Xela said:

I wonder if this lockdown will change employers attitudes to working from home? Its proved that people can do the job and in most instances are far more efficient from home. 

I'm usually 2 days a week at home... if I could stretch that to 3 or 4 ideally, I'd look to move out to the countryside. 

I won't be going back to the office full time when this is over, no way. I'm 5 days a week in there at the moment. I'll settle for 3 like you do. Mondays and maybe Wednesdays I'm working from home, and if they don't like it, I'm quitting. 

No way I'm going back to up to a couple of hours a day sat in congestion 5 days a week when it's been proven I can work from home and get more done.

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I was in a position where I ‘had’ to work from the office because the company owner just couldn’t see how people really would work from home and not skive.

I’ve tried to fess up to him previously that actually, when I’m really busy and up against a deadline, that’s what I’ve done, I’ve put a meeting in the calendar and actually worked from home.

The truly dumb thing, my team are in Bromsgrove, Dorchester and London. So I’ve been travelling in to the Cardiff office to e-mail and phone them from there.

Really really hope we will re evaluate work practises after all of this.

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17 minutes ago, Xela said:

I wonder if this lockdown will change employers attitudes to working from home? Its proved that people can do the job and in most instances are far more efficient from home. 

I'm usually 2 days a week at home... if I could stretch that to 3 or 4 ideally, I'd look to move out to the countryside. 

I hope it changes my company’s attitude. They’re so behind the times. 

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A lot of the time - especially if your company doesn't own the office - you work in the office because those chairs and desks of yours are **** expensive if they were to be empty.

Real estate innit.

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11 hours ago, Xela said:

I wonder if this lockdown will change employers attitudes to working from home? Its proved that people can do the job and in most instances are far more efficient from home. 

I'm usually 2 days a week at home... if I could stretch that to 3 or 4 ideally, I'd look to move out to the countryside. 

It's killing some of my bosses & managers above them cos they just don't trust us to do the job at home. It's a control thing too; they HAVE to see us, watch us, know our every movement almost. At one of the daily catch up meetings held on Teams, our senior manager asked how we were coping with working from home & I said "great - wouldnt mind this being a regular thing for quieter shifts (weekends)"........silence for about 10 seconds before she says "Hmm..we'll see, it's an interesting opinion there John......who knows ?" - insert chinny reckon emoji here !

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10 hours ago, lapal_fan said:

A lot of the time - especially if your company doesn't own the office - you work in the office because those chairs and desks of yours are **** expensive if they were to be empty.

Real estate innit.

This will be the real way change will happen

Businesses realising they can save £££ by not having everyone in the office on the same day, and being able to spin it as 'we care about our staff'

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7 minutes ago, Mozzavfc said:

This will be the real way change will happen

Businesses realising they can save £££ by not having everyone in the office on the same day, and being able to spin it as 'we care about our staff'

Absolutely.

Particularly real estate in cities.  Some workstations (desks) in London can cost £50k a year.  That's just 2/3m^2.

At Interserve, when they built their new HQ over at Birmingham airport, each desk space cost £16k.

I think there were 1500-2000 desk spaces in the building.

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12 hours ago, Xela said:

I wonder if this lockdown will change employers attitudes to working from home? Its proved that people can do the job and in most instances are far more efficient from home.

I'm not sure the empire builders would be happy with that.

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The company I work for had three buildings all within about a 500m radius. They looked at the roles of people and how they could utilise working from home and hot desk practices so that one of the buildings could be given up.

Financially it made sense because why bother dragging everyone into an office, every day, when some of them don’t need to physically be there and have all this office space that actually isn’t really needed. The end result was they were able to get rid of a whole building (this included discontinuing some roles that were deemed no longer required, but only a small percentage) by splitting out that building across the remaining two and implementing WFH and hotdesking for certain teams. 

So basically now, what we’ve got in my building is that some people don’t have a fixed desk, but they’re given a laptop and work from home on some days & then go to the office on others. 

Rather than have, say, 3000 people at fixed desks across four floors they’ve now got two floors of 1500 people’s worth of space with team’s sharing the areas and co-ordinating their WFH practices. 

**** knows how it works in terms of hotdesking though. I wonder whether people have a desk they always try to sit on or whether they actually sit wherever on any given day (I don’t have any need to go to these floors so know nobody who works there or even what they do). 

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I went for a job interview at Experian a couple of years ago, and declined because their office was fully hotdesks. People would get in earlier and earlier just to sit by their team. If you got there later (but still early), you'd end up sat with nobody you know, or on particularly busy days, in the canteen. I could never work somewhere like that.

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1 hour ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said:

and hot desk practices

I worked on a hot desk roll out for a company across Europe back in 1994 ( ish)  using Apple Duo’s and the Duo dock... the idea was consultants could travel around Europe with their notebook and work remotely and pop into an office in major cities around Europe to dock and sync with servers print and what not 

it was quite far out at that time , and arguably 26 years later shows just how innovative Apple were .

 

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For my birthday this year I would like you lot (who don’t usually get me a gift or card anyway) to make a donation to this charity. 
 

How about **** off. If you want to give them some money do it yourself.
 

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I was never a big fan of working from home. It was good that I could do it when necessary - snow days, sick kids, etc. - but generally speaking I preferred the social contact of going into the office. 

But I treasured my own desk. If the alternative had been hotdesking, I'd have opted for WFH in an instant. Or quite likely resigned. Awful practice. 

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I prefer to be in the office. That said the last time I had my own desk was probably 10 years ago. Its always been hot desks. I am in the office for 7 at the latest so have always sat where I wanted to. 

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3 hours ago, Davkaus said:

I went for a job interview at Experian a couple of years ago, and declined because their office was fully hotdesks. People would get in earlier and earlier just to sit by their team. If you got there later (but still early), you'd end up sat with nobody you know, or on particularly busy days, in the canteen. I could never work somewhere like that.

Our new office is 100% hot-desking. 2000 people if everyone is in (its never usually half). You are assigned floors and areas though so people do tend to sit in the same places every day so not too bad. 

Our team has already been 'reassigned' from one floor to another as we were too noisy by all accounts. Well, don't put a sales team next to an audit or compliance team!

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3 hours ago, Seat68 said:

I prefer to be in the office. That said the last time I had my own desk was probably 10 years ago. Its always been hot desks. I am in the office for 7 at the latest so have always sat where I wanted to. 

But, but... what about leaving all your papers scattered on the desk? The PC set up the way you want it? The drawers full of your own stuff? Pictures of your kids? etc. 

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14 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

But, but... what about leaving all your papers scattered on the desk? The PC set up the way you want it? The drawers full of your own stuff? Pictures of your kids? etc. 

Laptop, clear desk policy and for the past couple of years I work as a consultant so no permanent company. Dont get me wrong, it may be a hot desk but no one better bloody sit there. 

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18 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

But, but... what about leaving all your papers scattered on the desk? The PC set up the way you want it? The drawers full of your own stuff? Pictures of your kids? etc. 

Not allowed anything like that. No 'personalisation' of desks at all. No drawers either. 

We're not numbers though, we are valued as individuals. I'm sure of it! 

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10 hours ago, mottaloo said:

It's killing some of my bosses & managers above them cos they just don't trust us to do the job at home. It's a control thing too; they HAVE to see us, watch us, know our every movement almost. At one of the daily catch up meetings held on Teams, our senior manager asked how we were coping with working from home & I said "great - wouldnt mind this being a regular thing for quieter shifts (weekends)"........silence for about 10 seconds before she says "Hmm..we'll see, it's an interesting opinion there John......who knows ?" - insert chinny reckon emoji here !

I don't see it happening at my place either, for the same control reasons. They get funny about people working from different offices on request, yet it's somehow perfectly fine during the winter when trains are cancelled for them to work from their local office no problem.

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