KentVillan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think the science is clear that boxing is more damaging to your brain because of the sheer number of blows to the head. Fights are much longer, knockouts are more common vs the TKOs and submissions that usually end MMA fights. The gloves allow you to keep delivering heavy punches over 12 rounds, long after a bare knuckle boxer would have broken bones in his hand. But I still prefer boxing as a sport because MMA has normalised a style of fighting which is much more dangerous in a street fight. The “anything goes” mentality just seems to be a licence for psychopaths to go and “train” in the art of kicking the shit out of a floored victim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: From a head trauma perspective boxing is probably worse given you're getting constantly hit in the head with 8-14oz gloves is worse than the lighter gloves in MMA, and especially given MMA gives you more options than punches to the head. But there's definitely the sense that boxing is more of a 'gentleman's' sport than MMA. Looks less brutal, more rules, generally less blood etc. I'm a massive boxing fan but rarely engage with MMA. I still remember a guy at school doing "should boxing be banned?" as a topic for his public speaking (we had to do that every year) He said that evidence suggested that even bare knuckle boxing would actually be safer than boxing with gloves because it would be over far quicker and you wouldn't have the repeated punches like you said. I have no memory of what the sources were to back it up but it's stuck with me. And makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2020 I just wish humans would grow out of fighting 'sports'. Can't stand any of them, don't see the appeal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Chindie said: Generally it causes less long term significant injuries than boxing Spoiler (good post though ) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I still remember a guy at school doing "should boxing be banned?" as a topic for his public speaking (we had to do that every year) He said that evidence suggested that even bare knuckle boxing would actually be safer than boxing with gloves because it would be over far quicker and you wouldn't have the repeated punches like you said. I have no memory of what the sources were to back it up but it's stuck with me. And makes sense. Bare knuckle is a thing now... Artem Lobov, one of the McGregor stable guys has been in it. Saw some post fight pics, faces in bits with loads of cuts. Seems, like a mental way to earn a living. Edited January 20, 2020 by villakram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 20, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: I just wish humans would grow out of fighting 'sports'. Can't stand any of them, don't see the appeal. This to the power of this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, mjmooney said: I just wish humans would grow out of fighting 'sports'. Can't stand any of them, don't see the appeal. The thing is, a lot of people do. Some of these men and women are very well paid mega stars, nobody is being forced to compete or watch. Edited January 20, 2020 by AVFCDAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said: The thing is, a lot of people do. Some of these men and women are very well paid mega stars, nobody is being forced to compete or watch. and horses enjoy running! boxing and martial arts isn't going anywhere and I think martial arts in particular is a great activity for kids and should be encouraged, the problem being a $65 PPV to see how can do the best taekwondo patterns is never going to happen, im actually hopeful it ends up more like tekken! more defined martial arts bases less of the mixed, id love to see a proper taekwondo fighter go up against a proper thai kickboxer and you can see the clash of styles im more hopeful that formula one gets banned for environmental reasons (not because im an environmentalist just because I have no interest in F1 and think the fallout from it would be incredible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, villa4europe said: and horses enjoy running! boxing and martial arts isn't going anywhere and I think martial arts in particular is a great activity for kids and should be encouraged, the problem being a $65 PPV to see how can do the best taekwondo patterns is never going to happen, im actually hopeful it ends up more like tekken! more defined martial arts bases less of the mixed, id love to see a proper taekwondo fighter go up against a proper thai kickboxer and you can see the clash of styles im more hopeful that formula one gets banned for environmental reasons (not because im an environmentalist just because I have no interest in F1 and think the fallout from it would be incredible) Isn't this pretty much how UFC started? And then people quickly realised that sort of hybrid of Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling and Muy Thai was optimal in that sort of setting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 44 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said: The thing is, a lot of people do. Some of these men and women are very well paid mega stars, nobody is being forced to compete or watch. Pretty much where I net out. There's a market for it and no one is forced into it. Fighting shouldn't be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Isn't this pretty much how UFC started? And then people quickly realised that sort of hybrid of Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling and Muy Thai was optimal in that sort of setting? yeah that's what I always thought, started off as fighters from different backgrounds then people found out what was successful and the styles merged, now its just strikers and ground game, the ground game stuff is boring as **** to me, its almost as bad as boxers clinching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 My 6 month mission of growing my hair has come to a reluctant end. I just can't get through the awkward stage. I've accepted that I'll never have wonderful flowing locks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, villa4europe said: yeah that's what I always thought, started off as fighters from different backgrounds then people found out what was successful and the styles merged, now its just strikers and ground game, the ground game stuff is boring as **** to me, its almost as bad as boxers clinching Pretty much. It started out with more 'freakshow' fights where you'd have a boxer go against a karate black belt (and get completely destroyed - those fights are genuinely unpleasant, not so much for the damage done but the obvious difference in effectiveness being kinda nasty). That slowly created a hegemony that revealed having a basis in jiu-jitsu or wrestling combined with varied striking was most successful. That then saw jiu-jitsu evolve into Brazilian jiu-jitsu, combining wrestling and strategy into pure jiu-jitsu, and now basically all the top fighters train in BJJ and supplement that with a chosen striking style (muey thai, boxing, kick boxing mostly) or vice versa. The ground game stuff is the difficult aspect of MMA to get into. You kinda have to appreciate what the fighters are doing and how they're doing it. It's more subtle and slower than the stand up (where is bloody obvious what each is doing if your eyes work). It's the big barrier to entry for the sport, you have to watch and learn the ground game and even then you might never appreciate it because, well, it's kinda dull until someone gets a hold. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Pretty much where I net out. There's a market for it and no one is forced into it. Fighting shouldn't be banned. I didn't say I thought it should be banned. It just bewilders and disappoints me that it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 It's the flying knees that I can't stand. How it can be legal to jump up and crack someone in the face with your knee is insane. That said I do sometimes go down a YouTube rabbit hole watching people getting knocked out so I'm probably part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: It's the flying knees that I can't stand. How it can be legal to jump up and crack someone in the face with your knee is insane. That said I do sometimes go down a YouTube rabbit hole watching people getting knocked out so I'm probably part of the problem. Doesn't happen that often and isn't that effective. It's part of the muay thai style, which makes use knees and elbows, including the far more common behind head clinch pulling the opponent's head down and using the knee. A solid uppercut or head kick will be as bad, if not worse given a head kick will often get the temple. The worst thing in MMA will always be the Pride grounded kicks. You could basically take a penalty kick on a guys head. For all of the criticism of UFC, they're quite good on legislating for the more the dangerous stuff - grounded fighters have protection against kicks, the 12-6 elbow isn't allowed, etc etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2020 'Hi, can I have a medium flat white please?' 'Sorry we only do Regular or Large' '... Can I have a regular flat white please?'. I assume they do this because it makes you more likely to buy the large, but it irritates me more than it should. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, Chindie said: 'Hi, can I have a medium flat white please?' 'Sorry we only do Regular or Large' '... Can I have a regular flat white please?'. I assume they do this because it makes you more likely to buy the large, but it irritates me more than it should. This. If there are two sizes, they should be called 'small' and 'large'. If there are three, 'small', 'medium' and 'large'. 'Regular' is simply an Americanism for 'medium'. Don't get me started on 'vente' and 'grande' and the like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 "Can I take your name for the cup?" "But there's only me in here" "I know, but...your name..?" *1 minutes later* "CAPPUCCINO FOR PADDYWHACK!?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffGreens Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Don't get me started on 'vente' and 'grande' and the like. I recently discovered "vente" referred to the cup being 20 ounces in size (apparently on some secret menu there's a "trente" but I''m yet to find somewhere that sells it, or whether I'd be willing to see what happens after 30oz of coffee). I still ask them for a large out of spite mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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