Sam-AVFC Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: I'd say so. But I'm sorry to hear about your mom, that's awful. A really good friend of mine lost his mum in January this year from an aortic aneurysm. Went to bed fine and dandy, never woke up. Husband didn't hear or feel a thing. Absolutely terrible. Much appreciated, but I've had near enough 2 decades to get used to it. We didn't lose my mum, but she has been in a care home ever since. She only survived as she happened to be in the hospital at the time having a follow up for a brain tumour. I'm sure you can understand why on a personal level being told prayer will help is a bit frustrating! Admittedly this is different than a stranger offering a comment to acknowledge someone else's suffering, but I've never really been one for polite small talk either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 16, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 13/09/2019 at 11:02, bickster said: Are you scared of kettles too? He feels out of his element. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, Sam-AVFC said: Much appreciated, but I've had near enough 2 decades to get used to it. We didn't lose my mum, but she has been in a care home ever since. She only survived as she happened to be in the hospital at the time having a follow up for a brain tumour. I'm sure you can understand why on a personal level being told prayer will help is a bit frustrating! Admittedly this is different than a stranger offering a comment to acknowledge someone else's suffering, but I've never really been one for polite small talk either! I understand completely, it's patronising what you're uncle has said, like your prayers may make your mum better.. it's nonsense. We're mechanical and if something goes wrong somewhere, as it can, the affects can be minimal, or mega, short term or life long. Closing your eyes and talking to God can't change it. Science could, potentially though - albeit too late for your mum I imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) I'm going to dig myself a hole and jump in head first by saying this.. But some of the dogmatic thinking in recent posts is almost worship in it's own form. Edited September 16, 2019 by A'Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, lapal_fan said: I understand completely, it's patronising what you're uncle has said, like your prayers may make your mum better.. it's nonsense. We're mechanical and if something goes wrong somewhere, as it can, the affects can be minimal, or mega, short term or life long. Closing your eyes and talking to God can't change it. Science could, potentially though - albeit too late for your mum I imagine As long as science gets to a point in my lifetime that I can pay to be cryogenically frozen and wake up when it's the proper future (flying cars, transit tubes, sentient robots etc) then I reckon I can forgive it! When you consider that there are animals that regrow limbs (as a pretty standard example) and way weirder and more wonderful things are being found in newly discoverd species (particularly deep sea) it makes you realise if we can understand and harness some of these processes there are going to be some incredible advances in our lifetimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, A'Villan said: I'm going to dig myself a hole and jump in head first by saying this.. But some of the dogmatic thinking in recent posts is almost worship in it's own form. Do you need a dogma to be dogmatic? I've never understood religion, but am very careful to not be disparaging of others who are religious. This is in no way because I'm one of those people who think maybe there is something out there, it's just a matter of respect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted September 16, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, A'Villan said: I'm going to dig myself a whole and jump in head first by saying this.. But some of the dogmatic thinking in recent posts is almost worship in it's own form. A whole what? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Prayers do **** all and is the sign of latent mental illness. Snap judgements of mental illness are always linked to a retarded use of grammar. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 16, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, A'Villan said: I'm going to dig myself a hole and jump in head first by saying this.. But some of the dogmatic thinking in recent posts is almost worship in it's own form. No it isn't, it's nothing remotely like worship (which is one of the most bizarre and loathesome concepts ever invented). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Peaky **** blinders 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 hours ago, bickster said: A whole what? A whole hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 16, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, a m ole said: A whole hole Not half a hole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 16, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2019 That BBC Bitesize ad, where the kid doing his homework asks his parents: "Why do we have day and night?" - and they look completely baffled and shrug. What parent couldn't answer that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 16, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, mjmooney said: That BBC Bitesize ad, where the kid doing his homework asks his parents: "Why do we have day and night?" - and they look completely baffled and shrug. What parent couldn't answer that? Not seen that ad. I suppose if they answered “Well, because the Earth turns of course”, the kid could then say “Ok...why does it turn?”. Then have the confused look between mum and dad. I think it’s probably more believable that the parents might not immediately have an answer to that one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 16, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Shropshire Lad said: Not seen that ad. I suppose if they answered “Well, because the Earth turns of course”, the kid could then say “Ok...why does it turn?”. Then have the confused look between mum and dad. I think it’s probably more believable that the parents might not immediately have an answer to that one. That would have been a better ad. When one of my kids was about four or so she asked me "Where does water come from?" I wondered whether an explanation of the rainfall/evaporation cycle was a bit too much, but had a go anyway. She certainly listened carefully, and I think took in at least the basic idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, mjmooney said: That would have been a better ad. When one of my kids was about four or so she asked me "Where does water come from?" I wondered whether an explanation of the rainfall/evaporation cycle was a bit too much, but had a go anyway. She certainly listened carefully, and I think took in at least the basic idea. They take it in and they remember the most random of things you’ve told them. Turns out a decade after that very question, my nipper took the answer on board as an absolute fact. That the clouds rain on the hills, it trickles down streams and river and out to sea and evaporates in to clouds that rain again on those hills and mountains again. Apparently, I’m now told, that answer confused her for years as she knew from her own experience that it rains on the beach. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 hours ago, bickster said: Not half a hole? "Fools! They know not how much more the half is than the whole." (Hesiod) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 16, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, snowychap said: "Fools! They know not how much more the half is than the whole." (Hesiod) ”Am I the half that's half and half or am I the half that's whole” (McCulloch) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bickster said: ”Am I the half that's half and half or am I the half that's whole” (McCulloch) I'd be doing you and me a disservice by claiming to know the reference and/or the source, Bicks. Edited September 16, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 17, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 hours ago, snowychap said: I'd be doing you and me a disservice by claiming to know the reference and/or the source, Bicks. Echo and the Bunnymen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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