Davkaus Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) I'd love him back, he's a step above any of our current midfielders. I was bitter when he left, but he's won the league FFS, it's hard to stay bitter. He made the right choice. Looking back on his career when he retires, he can remember being a champion,a few extra mid-table finishes at best doesn't quite stack up. Edited June 23, 2013 by Davkaus
Woodytom Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Pretty much all our best performers last season bar Gabby were relative unknowns at this level at the beginning of the season. Who the hell in the team, bar Gabby was known at this level? Teams will always have best performers - doesn't make that team any good.
DamsonwoodVillan Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Yeah as much as I love our players and I was so pleased that we went on that run to save ourselves, we mustn't be too unrealistic about how good our players were/are. Right now I bet teams like Everton and Fulham are smiling a bit at our situation because they think we won't pose any threat to their league position again next season. I would be overjoyed I we proved them wrong but I don't want us to get silly about what this group of young unknowns can achieve. On Barry I think any talk of re-signing him is ridiculous. Never go back, not when you're only going to be stepping on the toes of our younger options that have already broken in (Sylla, Westwood, Delph). Not what we need, wages an issue, and too old to fit the mould of the squad nicely.
Mantis Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Pretty much all our best performers last season bar Gabby were relative unknowns at this level at the beginning of the season. Who the hell in the team, bar Gabby was known at this level? Teams will always have best performers - doesn't make that team any good. N'Zogbia, Given and Bent off the top of my head. I never said the team was good (although I think it's got a lot of potential) but the fact that the likes of Lowton, Guzan, Westwood, Weimann an Benteke performed so well despite having little of the fabled "experience" shows that experience isn't everything.
Vincenzo Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Always was a quality player, even at 17 he had a cool head on his shoulders. Would be useful to have his experience in the squad but can't see us paying his current salary or him taking a massive pay cut.
villa-revolution Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Barry chose Man City against us at a crucial time in our development when we were actually in with a chance of achieving Champions League football ourselves, so, given his choice then, I would much rather that he didn't return to Villa at anytime ever now. Please explain to me where you see the bitterness in my post? Given the sentence above it, is that a serious question? Yes! He chose Man City & if it transpires that they want to dispense with his services so be it. He made it perfectly clear last time that Villa didn't match his ambitions so why would I want him back now. I am not bitter, but just stating the facts as they were at that time & merely asking the question what is so different about us now that he saw fit to leave us in the first place. We are actually lower in the league now too. So the point I am making is that the reasons Barry made for wanting away in the first place now make it impossible for him to return or am I missing something here? One thing that hasn't changed in all that time is my love for the Villa. (something that you may be getting confused with bitterness?) I loved the Villa when Barry left & I love them with the same equal passion today. But the facts (Barry chose City over staying here) and your subsequent opinion that you don't want him back, are only linked by your personal feelings. They have no bearing on whether or not he might come back. Go back & read the OP. The question is would you take Barry Back. I have merely answered that question. Surely every poster on here expresses their own personal feelings or am I missing something? I think not.
the_eristic Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 He's too slow for the first XI, we play with pace and on the break, but it would be nice to have an "old" head to come on and help see out a win. He NEVER had any pace though, and was an important part of the pure counter attacking side that found quite a bit of success for us (relatively speaking!). Players with intelligence don't need the pace anywhere near as much, especially in the middle of the park. It's the speed of thought that matters, and Barry is quite good at seeing space and moving the ball smartly.
Woodytom Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Pretty much all our best performers last season bar Gabby were relative unknowns at this level at the beginning of the season. Who the hell in the team, bar Gabby was known at this level? Teams will always have best performers - doesn't make that team any good. N'Zogbia, Given and Bent off the top of my head. I never said the team was good (although I think it's got a lot of potential) but the fact that the likes of Lowton, Guzan, Westwood, Weimann an Benteke performed so well despite having little of the fabled "experience" shows that experience isn't everything. Them 3 you mentioned hardly played. It took Lowton and Westwood half a season to start performing well. The fact we finished 15th and struggled against relegation all season suggests we were missing something imo.
villa-revolution Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Barry chose Man City against us at a crucial time in our development when we were actually in with a chance of achieving Champions League football ourselves, so, given his choice then, I would much rather that he didn't return to Villa at anytime ever now. Please explain to me where you see the bitterness in my post? Given the sentence above it, is that a serious question? Yes! He chose Man City & if it transpires that they want to dispense with his services so be it. He made it perfectly clear last time that Villa didn't match his ambitions so why would I want him back now. I am not bitter, but just stating the facts as they were at that time & merely asking the question what is so different about us now that he saw fit to leave us in the first place. We are actually lower in the league now too. So the point I am making is that the reasons Barry made for wanting away in the first place now make it impossible for him to return or am I missing something here? One thing that hasn't changed in all that time is my love for the Villa. (something that you may be getting confused with bitterness?) I loved the Villa when Barry left & I love them with the same equal passion today. The fact that the primary reason you don't want Barry back is because of the reasons he moved strikes me as bitterness. As explained previously Barry's own reasons for leaving preclude him from returning. In other words does Gareth Barry believe that we are going to win the league & FA Cup & pay him £200k for the privelege. Again, after my logical explanation, where is the bitterness in that?
Woodytom Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) Barry chose Man City against us at a crucial time in our development when we were actually in with a chance of achieving Champions League football ourselves, so, given his choice then, I would much rather that he didn't return to Villa at anytime ever now. Please explain to me where you see the bitterness in my post? Given the sentence above it, is that a serious question? Yes! He chose Man City & if it transpires that they want to dispense with his services so be it. He made it perfectly clear last time that Villa didn't match his ambitions so why would I want him back now. I am not bitter, but just stating the facts as they were at that time & merely asking the question what is so different about us now that he saw fit to leave us in the first place. We are actually lower in the league now too. So the point I am making is that the reasons Barry made for wanting away in the first place now make it impossible for him to return or am I missing something here? One thing that hasn't changed in all that time is my love for the Villa. (something that you may be getting confused with bitterness?) I loved the Villa when Barry left & I love them with the same equal passion today. The fact that the primary reason you don't want Barry back is because of the reasons he moved strikes me as bitterness. As explained previously Barry's own reasons for leaving preclude him from returning. In other words does Gareth Barry believe that we are going to win the league & FA Cup & pay him £200k for the privelege. Again, after my logical explanation, where is the bitterness in that? Right that is the first time that you havent said the words - 'I don't want him back' - that is whats coming across as bitterness. As for your (now explained) point - Its a totally different situation. Gareth Barry's coming to then end of his career. He probably is not chasing what he was chasing when he left as much now. Not that this link has any mileage in it. Edited June 23, 2013 by Woodytom
Mantis Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Pretty much all our best performers last season bar Gabby were relative unknowns at this level at the beginning of the season. Who the hell in the team, bar Gabby was known at this level? Teams will always have best performers - doesn't make that team any good. N'Zogbia, Given and Bent off the top of my head. I never said the team was good (although I think it's got a lot of potential) but the fact that the likes of Lowton, Guzan, Westwood, Weimann an Benteke performed so well despite having little of the fabled "experience" shows that experience isn't everything. Them 3 you mentioned hardly played. It took Lowton and Westwood half a season to start performing well. The fact we finished 15th and struggled against relegation all season suggests we were missing something imo. So? When they did they weren't as good many of our less experienced players. The team last season were missing experience - not experience in general but experience playing together. They've had a full season together now. Obviously improvements still need to be made but it's not unreasonable to expect performance levels to be closer to the latter part of last season than the earlier parts.
Papillon Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Barry is still a very good player. He hits all these very good short passes and others can rely on that. One thing is hitting a solid number in terms of successful passes (as we know some members here read blind as an indication of how good you are) - but he hits the right ones. You can hit a successful pass every time, but it can also put the next receiver of the ball in trouble immediately after. Poor players give the ball away because they don't know what to do with it, and gives the responsibility to the nearest player even though he is hopelessly positioned. We need a Barry-type in our team, we will not see much progress if only young players are playing Yes there's an old saying that you can't win anything with kids and it backfired badly, but the difference being that the team in question was filled with world-class talent.
villa-revolution Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Barry chose Man City against us at a crucial time in our development when we were actually in with a chance of achieving Champions League football ourselves, so, given his choice then, I would much rather that he didn't return to Villa at anytime ever now. Please explain to me where you see the bitterness in my post? Given the sentence above it, is that a serious question? Yes! He chose Man City & if it transpires that they want to dispense with his services so be it. He made it perfectly clear last time that Villa didn't match his ambitions so why would I want him back now. I am not bitter, but just stating the facts as they were at that time & merely asking the question what is so different about us now that he saw fit to leave us in the first place. We are actually lower in the league now too. So the point I am making is that the reasons Barry made for wanting away in the first place now make it impossible for him to return or am I missing something here? One thing that hasn't changed in all that time is my love for the Villa. (something that you may be getting confused with bitterness?) I loved the Villa when Barry left & I love them with the same equal passion today. The fact that the primary reason you don't want Barry back is because of the reasons he moved strikes me as bitterness. As explained previously Barry's own reasons for leaving preclude him from returning. In other words does Gareth Barry believe that we are going to win the league & FA Cup & pay him £200k for the privelege. Again, after my logical explanation, where is the bitterness in that? Right that is the first time that you havent said the words - 'I don't want him back' - that is whats coming across as bitterness. As for your (now explained) point - Its a totally different situation. Gareth Barry's coming to then end of his career. He probably is not chasing what he was chasing when he left as much now. Not that this link has any mileage in it. So, let me get this straight. I don't want Gareth Barry back because I am bitter? Is that your arguement? So does the same dispensation apply to every other poster on this thread who have already stated that they don't want him back either make them bitter too? I have given my explanations regarding Barry & for the umpteenth time there is no bitterness involved. You have obviously totally misunderstood my posts. Not much I can do about your perceived obtuseness.
Woodytom Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) Barry chose Man City against us at a crucial time in our development when we were actually in with a chance of achieving Champions League football ourselves, so, given his choice then, I would much rather that he didn't return to Villa at anytime ever now. Please explain to me where you see the bitterness in my post? Given the sentence above it, is that a serious question? Yes! He chose Man City & if it transpires that they want to dispense with his services so be it. He made it perfectly clear last time that Villa didn't match his ambitions so why would I want him back now. I am not bitter, but just stating the facts as they were at that time & merely asking the question what is so different about us now that he saw fit to leave us in the first place. We are actually lower in the league now too. So the point I am making is that the reasons Barry made for wanting away in the first place now make it impossible for him to return or am I missing something here? One thing that hasn't changed in all that time is my love for the Villa. (something that you may be getting confused with bitterness?) I loved the Villa when Barry left & I love them with the same equal passion today. The fact that the primary reason you don't want Barry back is because of the reasons he moved strikes me as bitterness. As explained previously Barry's own reasons for leaving preclude him from returning. In other words does Gareth Barry believe that we are going to win the league & FA Cup & pay him £200k for the privelege. Again, after my logical explanation, where is the bitterness in that? Right that is the first time that you havent said the words - 'I don't want him back' - that is whats coming across as bitterness. As for your (now explained) point - Its a totally different situation. Gareth Barry's coming to then end of his career. He probably is not chasing what he was chasing when he left as much now. Not that this link has any mileage in it. So, let me get this straight. I don't want Gareth Barry back because I am bitter? Is that your arguement? So does the same dispensation apply to every other poster on this thread who have already stated that they don't want him back either make them bitter too? I have given my explanations regarding Barry & for the umpteenth time there is no bitterness involved. You have obviously totally misunderstood my posts. Not much I can do about your perceived obtuseness. What? I said that because you were saying 'I don't want him back' and then explaining the way he left as the reason you didnt want him, it came across as bitterness. Your latest post, which I replied to (though you seem to have ignored half of that reply) explained it more clearer (again as my reply implied). No it doesnt apply to every poster FWIW. Those highlighting footballing reasons I can understand. Those mentioning that he left, I would call bitter. Edited June 23, 2013 by Woodytom 1
turnbull Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) Get Milner back, he's on a lot less money than GB, plus he's 5 years younger. Edited June 23, 2013 by turnbull
Giro Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 I'm not reading through 15 pages but is there any links to us signing Barry?
OutByEaster? Posted June 23, 2013 Moderator Posted June 23, 2013 Barry chose Man City against us at a crucial time in our development when we were actually in with a chance of achieving Champions League football ourselves, so, given his choice then, I would much rather that he didn't return to Villa at anytime ever now. Please explain to me where you see the bitterness in my post? Given the sentence above it, is that a serious question? Yes! He chose Man City & if it transpires that they want to dispense with his services so be it. He made it perfectly clear last time that Villa didn't match his ambitions so why would I want him back now. I am not bitter, but just stating the facts as they were at that time & merely asking the question what is so different about us now that he saw fit to leave us in the first place. We are actually lower in the league now too. So the point I am making is that the reasons Barry made for wanting away in the first place now make it impossible for him to return or am I missing something here? One thing that hasn't changed in all that time is my love for the Villa. (something that you may be getting confused with bitterness?) I loved the Villa when Barry left & I love them with the same equal passion today. But the facts (Barry chose City over staying here) and your subsequent opinion that you don't want him back, are only linked by your personal feelings. They have no bearing on whether or not he might come back. Go back & read the OP. The question is would you take Barry Back. I have merely answered that question. Surely every poster on here expresses their own personal feelings or am I missing something? I think not. You're missing something. There's logic in your post where you've explained why Barry left, your opinion is that his reasons for leaving mean that you wouldn't have him back. For others, his reasons for leaving would not affect their opinion on whether or not they would have him back. Logically, he went to achieve something and he's done that, there's no reason why he wouldn't come back if he was looking for a club. The only thing you're being picked up on is presenting your opinion as a logical reasoning based on facts. Regardless, the link is pretty tenuous and I can't see it happening either way.
thunderball Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 With Milner also told he's surplus to Man City requirements wouldn't you rather Little Jimmy instead? 1
Woodytom Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 With Milner also told he's surplus to Man City requirements wouldn't you rather Little Jimmy instead? James Milner would be perfect imo.
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