Chop chop! Lets all gawp at Newcastle (again)

[Peter Griffin]

3 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Newcastle will be making at least another £40m a year in income, maybe three or four times that much. All that extra money will all be there for them to spend. 

Where is that revenue going to come from?

[villa4europe]

4 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

Where is that revenue going to come from?

Stadium naming rights will be the first big one to go at a guess as they get rid of Ashley 

Who they sponsor it with o haven't got a clue, visit Saudi Arabia...not sure who the PIF outright own, fingers in pies but their own companies? Not so sure, lots of construction companies and hotels and stuff but that's all regional 

The stadium name is interesting too because they aren't bigger than arsenal or city so if they absolutely throw money at it how do city in particular react? They aren't bigger than us either... If they get a magical £100m a year stadium deal then in theory so can NSWE at VP

Edited October 11, 2021 by villa4europe

[Peter Griffin]

2 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

Stadium naming rights will be the first big one to go at a guess as they get rid of Ashley 

Who they sponsor it with o haven't got a clue, visit Saudi Arabia...not sure who the PIF outright own, fingers in pies but their own companies? Not so sure, lots of construction companies and hotels and stuff but that's all regional 

The stadium name is interesting too because they aren't bigger than arsenal or city so if they absolutely throw money at it how do city in particular react? They aren't bigger than us either... If they get a magical £100m a year stadium deal then in theory so can NSWE at VP

Stadium naming rights can only be at market rates. They can't get 100m a year naming rights, they would be very lucky to get 10m a year naming rights. It is impossible for them to increase their revenues by the amount suggested in such a short period of time

[VillaJ100]

6 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

Stadium naming rights will be the first big one to go at a guess as they get rid of Ashley 

Who they sponsor it with o haven't got a clue, visit Saudi Arabia...not sure who the PIF outright own, fingers in pies but their own companies? Not so sure, lots of construction companies and hotels and stuff but that's all regional 

The stadium name is interesting too because they aren't bigger than arsenal or city so if they absolutely throw money at it how do city in particular react? They aren't bigger than us either... If they get a magical £100m a year stadium deal then in theory so can NSWE at VP

Probably be aramco or something 

[Keener window-cleaner]

Before Man C was my hate team no 1, now it's Newcastle, congrats you top the league of despicable teams!

Does anyone know anything more about these "legally binding assurances" that Saudi Arabia will not have any control? I'd like to know more of that in detail. Amanda Staveley answered the question about that with only empty words. This smells like utter bull, bin Salman is the chairman of the PIF and is the dictator of Saudi Arabia. Of course he and Saudi Arabia will have the same influence as they have in questions regarding for example Saudi Aramco or any of the other big investments that the PIF makes.  

[OutByEaster?]

13 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

Where is that revenue going to come from?

Sponsorship.

There will be a boost anyway from increased interest, the idea of a big club will increase revenues locally and abroad with people looking to get on it early, but the big leap will come with a tyre supplier, a training ground sponsor, an associated beer, a gambling company, an official crypto-currency partner, all of those sorts of deals.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Just now, OutByEaster? said:

Sponsorship.

There will be a boost anyway from increased interest, the idea of a big club will increase revenues locally and abroad with people looking to get on it early, but the big leap will come with a tyre supplier, a training ground sponsor, an associated beer, a gambling company, an official crypto-currency partner, all of those sorts of deals.

 

They are not going to get 40m or 3 or 4 times that a year in increased revenue in the short to medium term. Those type of numbers are fantasy stuff that Toon fans probably believe

[Keener window-cleaner]

3 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

But they can spend £180m in January, without  putting the club in a big hole, and even if revenues were to remain as they are, they could then spend a decent sum in the summer. And revenues aren't going to stay as they are, by the time the next summer window opens, Newcastle will be making at least another £40m a year in income, maybe three or four times that much. All that extra money will all be there for them to spend. 

I think they'll spend a couple of hundred million over the next two windows, bring in some high profile free transfers in the summer that'll get them pushing for Europe and raise their incomes to the point where they can push again the following summer. 

They won't need all that long - if they can 'find' the additional sponsors they need, they'll be able to spend half a billion pounds in the next three widows and pick up every quality free agent going.

Mbappe, Pogba, Fati, Dembele, Dybala, Rudiger, Belotti, Tarkowski - all nearing the end of their contracts - and by the time they get there, Newcastle will have the income to support their wages.

What might be interesting is who might be available in the fire sale as they clear out a whole forest of dead wood.

Dont you think it will take some time for them to build a competitive team? Top players wont want to join a relegation contender, so they will have to pay hefty sums for players with less ambition, or go for players at clubs just above them. Robinho was a statement signing, but wasn't much value for money. Man C needed a good couple of years of looting us and Arsenal and basically buying everyone they could before they managed to be attractive enough for the best players and managers who could take them to the CL places. And at that time we didn't have the FFP. If players like Sancho and Grealish cost £75-100M, the money that they can spend within the FFP-rules would probably at least mean that the journy will be longer for them.

[Peter Griffin]

Just now, Peter Griffin said:

They are not going to get 40m or 3 or 4 times that a year in increased revenue in the short to medium term. Those type of numbers are fantasy stuff that Toon fans probably believe

EDIT: They will get a 40m increase in the medium term provided they stay in the PL this season

[Peter Griffin]

Villa have spent circa 350m in the last 3 years on new players. We have a good setup at Villa and we are nowhere near Champions League standard. We are miles behind it. It will take Toon much more money and time to get to CL level football. 

[S-Platt]

6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

Sponsorship.

There will be a boost anyway from increased interest, the idea of a big club will increase revenues locally and abroad with people looking to get on it early, but the big leap will come with a tyre supplier, a training ground sponsor, an associated beer, a gambling company, an official crypto-currency partner, all of those sorts of deals.

 

I thought Muslims did not drink or gamble?  Not a good look if its that type of sponsor.

[VillaChris]

2 hours ago, Genie said:

£200m gets you Verane, Ben White, Buendia, Danny Ings and Odegaard.

 

Depends if some of those would want to join them yet.

Actually when you tot it all up Newcastle have spent this since Jan 2019:

Miguel Almiron 21m

Joelinthon- 40m

Fernandez- 6m

Saint Maximn- 16m

Emil Krafth- 5m

Calum Wilson- 20m

Jamal Lewis- 15m

Willock- 25m

150m spent there.

Saint Maximn I thought was actually 25m range so given what he's shown so far he was a very good deal. Wilson is going rate for mid table prem striker as we've seen with paying similar price for Ings. Willock has potential but goals dried up. Almiron and Joelinthon flops so that shows they need to find better players in 20-40m range as we've started to do in last two years.

[Keener window-cleaner]

I wonder who the owners have as an adviser or who it is taking the operating decisions, our new owners apparently had Purslow advising them, and that was a really clever by the owners. i haven't heard about anyone else than the muppets Staveley and that PIF guy who likes golf and the Ruben brothers who now about racing. From the outside it looks like Staveley is the one fronting, is she also the one they rely on, their Purslow?  

[VillaChris]

18 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said:

Probably be aramco or something 

Didn't they briefly rename it Sports Direct arena under Mike Ashley for a game or two before mass outcry mean they just went back to St James Park.

Sometimes name can be too iconic to just rebrand. Man. United could get zillions for renaming Old Trafford but that's a brand in itself, probably in smaller way VP is aswell so that's why the different ownerships we've had in last 20 years never seriously explored it.

[Peter Griffin]

Just now, Keener window-cleaner said:

I wonder who the owners have as an adviser or who it is taking the operating decisions, our new owners apparently had Purslow advising them, and that was a really clever by the owners. i haven't heard about anyone else than the muppets Staveley and that PIF guy who likes golf and the Ruben brothers who now about racing. From the outside it looks like Staveley is the one fronting, is she also the one they rely on, their Purslow?  

Toon don't have a CEO. They absolutely need one and the managers position should not be changed until the CEO is in place. Just like NSWE didn't sack Bruce until they had both Purslow and Suso in place.

[VillaChris]

8 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

Villa have spent circa 350m in the last 3 years on new players. We have a good setup at Villa and we are nowhere near Champions League standard. We are miles behind it. It will take Toon much more money and time to get to CL level football. 

I think it depends more on manager they get tbh rather than players. Man. City made some good signings under Mark Hughes but never were that close to top 4. It only changed when Mancini turned up and they won the league two years later.

Don't think there's huge amount to worry about if they appoint Gerrard or Lampard as they'll only take Newcastle to a certain point. If in next 2-3 years they're in top half with promising squad and can get a Conte or Pochettino then that's the time as those are types proven at taking teams to next level.

[S-Platt]

1 minute ago, VillaChris said:

Didn't they briefly rename it Sports Direct arena under Mike Ashley for a game or two before mass outcry mean they just went back to St James Park.

Sometimes name can be too iconic to just rebrand. Man. United could get zillions for renaming Old Trafford but that's a brand in itself, probably in smaller way VP is aswell so that's why the different ownerships we've had in last 20 years never seriously explored it.

I always find stadium naming only works when it's a new stadium.  The Ethiad, The Emirates, I still call Stoke The Britannic, Coventry The Richo and so on.

Once named it sticks it seems.

[VillaChris]

10 hours ago, Keener window-cleaner said:

I wonder who the owners have as an adviser or who it is taking the operating decisions, our new owners apparently had Purslow advising them, and that was a really clever by the owners. i haven't heard about anyone else than the muppets Staveley and that PIF guy who likes golf and the Ruben brothers who now about racing. From the outside it looks like Staveley is the one fronting, is she also the one they rely on, their Purslow?  

They want this guy as their new transfer guru:

Frank McParland Set To Lead Newcastle Manager Search, Steven Gerrard Seen As Candidate (insidefutbol.com)

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Frank McParland Set To Lead Newcastle Manager Search, Steven Gerrard Seen As Candidate

Gerrard is viewed as a viable candidate to take over at Newcastle, though his boss at Liverpool, Brendan Rodgers, is also seen as possible.

Rafael Benitez has ruled himself out of the running, with the Spaniard not keen to leave Everton after the Toffees resisted fan pressure to appoint him.

And former Chelsea boss Antonio Conte is not interested in taking over at Newcastle at present.

Worked with Gerrard and Brendan Rodgers in the past so gives idea of what sort of manager they'll be appointing at some point in next 12 months.

[VillaJ100]

10 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

Didn't they briefly rename it Sports Direct arena under Mike Ashley for a game or two before mass outcry mean they just went back to St James Park.

Sometimes name can be too iconic to just rebrand. Man. United could get zillions for renaming Old Trafford but that's a brand in itself, probably in smaller way VP is aswell so that's why the different ownerships we've had in last 20 years never seriously explored it.

It's official name is something shite like 'sports direct.com stadium @ St James park' 

[Peter Griffin]

23 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said:

It's official name is something shite like 'sports direct.com stadium @ St James park' 

That was the name of it when Ashley wanted to sell the naming rights. He temporarily named it 'Sportsdirect.com @ StJames 'Park' to show the potential of renaming the stadium while keeping the 'St James' Park' naming. In 2012 when he was unable to get a sponsor to pay for the naming rights he pretended to bow to pressure from the fans and officially revert to calling it 'St James' Park'