Keyblade Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Their run-in is horrendous. One 6 pointer next week, 1 game against Burnley which I'm not sure is a 6 pointer, 1 must-win game against Sheffield United on the penultimate week and then that final showdown with Fulham. The rest? All games against the current top 10, including us who seem to be their bogey side under Smith. This would be a terrible time for their tried and true luck to desert them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted March 9, 2021 Visiting Supporter Share Posted March 9, 2021 I don't really want them down, personally. I enjoy the circus and they'll be straight back if they do go. Funnier to watch them moan and complain about being the worst team in the league staying up via bollocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I think Newcastle have more chance of grinding results to stay up than Brighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund have switched their attention from Newcastle to Inter Milan according to the rags. Ah well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, sne said: Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund have switched their attention from Newcastle to Inter Milan according to the rags. Ah well. Too bad, so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 On 09/03/2021 at 02:02, Rino8 said: I don't really want them down, personally. I enjoy the circus and they'll be straight back if they do go. Funnier to watch them moan and complain about being the worst team in the league staying up via bollocks. If Bruce gets the summer window with them and is trusted to pick players it will add a few more years onto them being dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: If Bruce gets the summer window with them and is trusted to pick players it will add a few more years onto them being dreadful. Bruce isn't involved in transfers there. He's head coach only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted March 10, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: If Bruce gets the summer window with them and is trusted to pick players it will add a few more years onto them being dreadful. i disagree. the under performers for them this season have been players not signed by bruce i.e joelinton. say what you want about him but he has an eye for a player and seems to be able to attract them too despite offers from elsewhere they get taken over and given a bit of backing, they'll climb up the table 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, sne said: Bruce isn't involved in transfers there. He's head coach only. I know he probably wont get money to chuck at marquee signings like the Joelinton one, but I'd be very surprised if he wasn't involved in signings like Hendrick, Fraser and Wilson. Obviously would have helped to convince the club that 2 were on frees. It's also about the players that will stay there and not develop and the ones he'd sell. If I was in my early 20s needing to play and develop and saw Jeff Hendrick starting games I would be livid. Don't forget he was reportedly happy to sell Grealish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, tomav84 said: i disagree. the under performers for them this season have been players not signed by bruce i.e joelinton. say what you want about him but he has an eye for a player and seems to be able to attract them too despite offers from elsewhere they get taken over and given a bit of backing, they'll climb up the table Wait, you think Jeff Hendrick, Jamal Lewis and Ryan Fraser have been good for them? Wilson is the only 'Bruce signing' to do alright this season. Almiron has probably been their best player, albeit woefully misused. "Underperforming" suggests playing below their level. Isn't that kinda the managers' remit to work on? Do you have any examples of his eye for a player? I can't remember him uncovering anyone in his career. If they get taken over there is no doubt they'll climb up the table. But you're mistaken if you think firing Bruce wouldn't be the new owners first act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Sam-AVFC said: Wait, you think Jeff Hendrick, Jamal Lewis and Ryan Fraser have been good for them? Wilson is the only 'Bruce signing' to do alright this season. Almiron has probably been their best player, albeit woefully misused. "Underperforming" suggests playing below their level. Isn't that kinda the managers' remit to work on? Do you have any examples of his eye for a player? I can't remember him uncovering anyone in his career. If they get taken over there is no doubt they'll climb up the table. But you're mistaken if you think firing Bruce wouldn't be the new owners first act. John McGinn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: John McGinn McGinn isn't a bad shout, although let's not forget Brendan Rodgers really wanted him for Celtic at the same time. I'm still not sure it's enough to claim he has an eye for a player. If you compare him to other managers I think his record is poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted March 10, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2021 Andy Robertson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: McGinn isn't a bad shout, although let's not forget Brendan Rodgers really wanted him for Celtic at the same time. I'm still not sure it's enough to claim he has an eye for a player. If you compare him to other managers I think his record is poor. What does Brendan Rodgers have to do with it? Does that devalue it somehow?? There’s plenty of sticks with which to beat Steve Bruce but his ability to bring in decent-good players isn’t one of them. John Terry, Conor Hourihane, Elmo, El Ghazi.....they’re just for us. I can recall him somehow convincing World Cup winning Christoph Dugarry to sign for the shite amongst a host of other examples. Of course there are duds too, but show me a Manager that hasn’t signed a dud. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: What does Brendan Rodgers have to do with it? Does that devalue it somehow?? There’s plenty of sticks with which to beat Steve Bruce but his ability to bring in decent-good players isn’t one of them. John Terry, Conor Hourihane, Elmo, El Ghazi.....they’re just for us. I can recall him somehow convincing World Cup winning Christoph Dugarry to sign for the shite amongst a host of other examples. Of course there are duds too, but show me a Manager that hasn’t signed a dud. I'm just making the point he wasn't exactly unknown. To me the phrase "an eye for a player" suggests they see something others might have missed. Generally an unknown or underperforming player. It has absolutely nothing to do with convincing someone to sign. You can hardly credit him with discovering John Terry and I think he was already aware of Elmo when we signed him. El Ghazi and Hourihane are OK players, but I really don't see them as good enough to use as examples that someone is good in the transfer market. I also wasn't saying he couldn't sign a decent player here and there in isolation, the point I was making was I think Newcastle's squad will be left a bigger and bigger mess the longer he is their manager. Unless you think our squad was good when he left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Sam-AVFC said: I'm just making the point he wasn't exactly unknown. To me the phrase "an eye for a player" suggests they see something others might have missed. Generally an unknown or underperforming player. It has absolutely nothing to do with convincing someone to sign. You can hardly credit him with discovering John Terry and I think he was already aware of Elmo when we signed him. El Ghazi and Hourihane are OK players, but I really don't see them as good enough to use as examples that someone is good in the transfer market. I also wasn't saying he couldn't sign a decent player here and there in isolation, the point I was making was I think Newcastle's squad will be left a bigger and bigger mess the longer he is their manager. Unless you think our squad was good when he left? Well sorry but I dispute that, you wrote and therefore insinuated that he’s never signed a good unknown player and asked for an example, I offered John McGinn, as someone else pointed out Andy Robertson for Hull too. Pretty sure he brought some good players into Wigan but can’t be arsed to check. Like I say, signing decent/good players isn’t a Bruce problem, it’s more what he does with them afterwards that tends to be the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Well sorry but I dispute that, you wrote and therefore insinuated that he’s never signed a good unknown player and asked for an example, I offered John McGinn, as someone else pointed out Andy Robertson for Hull too. Pretty sure he brought some good players into Wigan but can’t be arsed to check. Like I say, signing decent/good players isn’t a Bruce problem, it’s more what he does with them afterwards that tends to be the issue. I didn't see the Andy Robertson post. Maybe I was a bit unfair to insinuate he had never signed anyone decent. He's still shit at transfers. In the interest of fairness I should probably update my list though: 2018 - John McGinn 2014 - Andy Robertson 2007-2009 - Maybe someone at Wigan I remain unconvinced that record would stack up against literally any other manager with as much top flight experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 dont forget his most loyal signing of all 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Slabhead Maguire, made Hull a few quid that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Robertson Maguire Figueroa Palacios Off the top of my head. He does reasonably well with limited funds and did good jobs at SHA, Wigan and Hull. It's the bigger clubs where he starts to unravel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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