Chop chop! Lets all gawp at Newcastle (again)

[dAVe80]

Short of digging up Wor Jackie's corpse, and slapping it about a bit, while singing songs about Wor Al and King Kev being a couple of shit lifters, this is the possibly the worst thing the Geordie Nation could think of.

[Papillon]

This is totally insane, why the hell would someone tie up Joe Kinnear in that role? In his first interview he is also saying he wants to "help" Alan Pardew with playing style and transfers. I mean, this man is a dinosaur in the game and he has never, ever been a good manager. Last time he was at Newcastle he flopped out bigtime and left in shame. I think everyone knows that Sir Alex Ferguson will be around Old Trafford and probably interfere a bit with David Moyes, but let's face it, the man is a legend. Joe Kinnear is the opposite and this will only bring trouble for them. Oh happy days for Villa then, this will surely mess up their season one way or another.

 

I guess Alan Pardew is a very happy man today

[Qwpzxjor1]

That's what happens when you give managers ridiculously long contracts and can't afford to sack them. You have to undermine them instead. Maybe this is all just a little plot of Ashley's. Get his mate in to undermine Pardew. Pardew quits, no payout on his contract because he walked, Kinnear will then 'step down' with the new manager coming in.

 

Ashley gets rid of Pardew for free, and his mate Joe pockets a bit of cash for a few months wages. Win win.

[Jarpie]

That's what happens when you give managers ridiculously long contracts and can't afford to sack them. You have to undermine them instead. Maybe this is all just a little plot of Ashley's. Get his mate in to undermine Pardew. Pardew quits, no payout on his contract because he walked, Kinnear will then 'step down' with the new manager coming in.

 

Ashley gets rid of Pardew for free, and his mate Joe pockets a bit of cash for a few months wages. Win win.

 

Yeah, I'll give Pardew maybe till end of the august to quit and claiming constructive dismissal.

[Genie]

Newcastle do have most of the raw materials to become a 'big' club... yet they constantly shoot themselves in the feet with rubbish like this. Almost as funny as small heath.

[coda]

Ashley holds all the cards here. It'll be funny seeing that clearing in the woods Pardew bleating about this next season.

[GarethRDR]

They should just secede and join the SPL.  They're practically in Scotland anyway.

[dont_do_it_doug.]

Ashley holds all the cards here. It'll be funny seeing that clearing in the woods Pardew bleating about this next season.

I'm not sure he'll make it to the season. This is clearly a deliberate ploy to get him to walk. Dependant on his contract he may have grounds for constructive dismissal, we'll see.

Getting rid of Pardew will be a good thing for them long term.

[Kingfisher]

Hopefully Pardew will call their bluff and hang around. Kinear will buy a load of cloggers, the scout will quit, the players will be unhappy, and they'll all take the club down. Funny, funny, funny.

[SikhInTrinity]

Honestly how the hell Kinnear will improve them? The man is a complete tool, listening to him this morning you think he had the management credentials of someone successful.

[mjmooney]

They were really having fun with it on TalkShite this morning.

 

Last time Newcastle appointed a director of football (Dennis Wise)... they were relegated.

 

Last time Joe Kinnear was a director of football (Fulham)... they were relegated.

 

[The_Rev]

 

 

Last time Joe Kinnear was a director of football (Fulham)... they were relegated.

 

 

 

I'm not sure that one is true.  Fulham haven't been relegated since 1993/94, and Joe Kinnear was manager of Wimbledon back then. 

[mjmooney]

Oh don't spoil the fun with facts.

[BOF]

That's what happens when you give managers ridiculously long contracts and can't afford to sack them. You have to undermine them instead. Maybe this is all just a little plot of Ashley's. Get his mate in to undermine Pardew. Pardew quits, no payout on his contract because he walked, Kinnear will then 'step down' with the new manager coming in.

 

Ashley gets rid of Pardew for free, and his mate Joe pockets a bit of cash for a few months wages. Win win.

This is pretty much the conclusion I've come to aswell. But also, from what I've heard, Pardew and Ashley are very good mates too. As in he got the job while out on the lash with Ashley. It's brilliant to watch though. Insert appropriate popcorn gif

[Zatman]

 

JK Which one is Simon Bird [Daily Mirror's north-east football writer]?

SB Me.

JK You're a word removed.

SB Thank you.

JK Which one is Hickman [Niall, football writer for the Express]? You are out of order. Absolutely **** out of order. If you do it again, I am telling you you can **** off and go to another ground. I will not come and stand for that **** crap. No **** way, lies. ****, you're saying I turned up and they [Newcastle's players] **** off.

Hear a computer-generated version of the rant Link to this audio

SB No Joe, have you read it, it doesn't actually say that. Have you read it?

JK I've **** read it, I've read it.

SB It doesn't say that. Have you read it?

JK You are trying to **** undermine my position already.

SB Have you read it, it doesn't say that. I knew you knew they were having a day off.

JK **** off. **** off. It's your last **** chance.

SB You read the copy? It doesn't say that you didn't know.

JK What about the headline, you think that's a good headline?

SB I didn't write the headline, you read the copy.

JK You are negative bastards, the pair of you.

SB So if I get a new job next week would I take the first day off? No I wouldn't. If I get a new job should I call my boss and tell him I am taking the first day off?

JK It is none of your **** business. What the **** are you going to do? You ain't got the balls to be a **** manager. **** day off. Do I want your opinion. Do I have to listen to you?

SB No, you can listen to who you want.

JK I had a 24-hour meeting with the entire staff.

SB Joe, you are only here six weeks, you could have done that on Sunday, or Saturday night.

JK No, no, no. I didn't want to do it. I had some other things to do.

SB What? More important things?

JK What are you? My personal secretary? **** off.

SB You could have done the meeting Saturday night or Sunday. You could have had them watching videos, you could have organised them.

JK I was meeting the **** chairman the owner, everyone else. Talking about things.

SB It is a valid point that was made in there. A valid point.

JK I can't trust any of you.

Niall Hickman Joe, no one could believe that on your first day at your new club, the first-team players were not in. No one could believe it in town. Your first day in the office.

JK My first day was with the coaches. I made the decision that I wanted to get as much information out of them.

NH But why Monday, no one could believe it?

JK I'm not going to tell you anything. I don't understand where you are coming from. You are delighted that Newcastle are getting beat and are in the state they are? Delighted, are you?

NH Certainly not. No one wants to see them get beaten, why would we?

JK I have done it before. It is going to my **** lawyers. So are about three others. If they can find something in it that is a court case it is going to court. I am not **** about. I don't talk to **** anybody. It is raking up stories. You are **** so **** slimy you are raking up players that I got rid of. Players that I had fallen out with. You are not asking Robbie Earle, because he is sensible. You are not asking Warren Barton? No. Because he is **** sensible. Anyone who had played for me for 10 years at any level ... [but] you will find some word removed that ...

Other journalist How long is your contract for Joe?

JK None of your business.

SB Well it is actually, because we cover the club. The club say you are here to the end of October, then you say six to eight games which would take it to the end of November. We are trying to clarify these issues. We are getting no straight answers from anyone. How long are you here for. It is a dead simple question. And you don't know ...

JK I was told the length of contract. Then I was told that possibly the club could be sold in that time. That is as far as I know. That's it finished. I don't know anything else. But I have been ridiculed. He's trying to **** hide, he's trying to do this or that.

There follows an exchange regarding the circumstances under which Kinnear had met the owner Mike Ashley and executive director (football) Dennis Wise.

Steve Brenner (football writer for the Sun) We are all grown men and can come in here and sit around and talk about football, but coming in here and calling people words removed?

JK Why? Because I am annoyed. I am not accepting that. If it is libellous, it is going to where I want it to go.

Newcastle press officer What has been said in here is off the record and doesn't go outside.

Journalist Well, is that what Joe thinks?

JK Write what you like. Makes no difference to me. Don't affect me I assure you. It'll be the last time I see you anyway. Won't affect me. See how we go at Everton and Chrissy [Chris Hughton, assistant manager] can do it, someone else can do it. Don't trust any of yous. I will pick two local papers and speak to them and the rest can **** off. I ain't coming up here to have the piss taken out of me. I have a million pages of crap that has been written about me. I'm ridiculed for no reason. I'm defenceless. I can't get a point in, I can't say nothing, I can't do nothing, but I ain't going to be negative. Then, half of you, most of you are trying to get into the players. I'm not going to tell you what the players think of you, so then you try and get into them in some way or another, so I've got a split camp or something like that, something like that. It's ongoing. It just doesn't stop.

Journalist It's only been a week.

JK Exactly. It feels more like a year.

Journalist It's early days for you to be like this.

JK No, I'm clearing the air. And this is the last time I'm going to speak to you. You want to know why, I'm telling you. This is the last time. You can do what you like.

Journalist But this isn't going to do you or us any good.

JK I'll speak to the supporters. I'm going to tell them what the story is. I'm going to tell them. I don't think they'll interpret it any different, I don't think they'll mix it up, I don't think they'll miss out things. I mean, one of them last week said to me ... I was talking about in that press conference where you were there, I said something like "Well, that's a load of bollocks ..."

Journalist "Bollocks to that" is what you said.

JK Bollocks to that. And what goes after that?

Journalist That was it.

JK No it wasn't, no it wasn't. What was after it? I don't know if it was your paper, but what went after it?

Journalist I don't know.

JK It even had the cheek to say "bollocks to Newcastle".

Journalist I didn't write that.

JK That was my first **** day. What does that tell you? What does that tell you?

Journalist Where was that? Which paper said that?

JK I've got it. I can't remember. It was one of the Sundays, not a Saturday. It was a Sunday.

Journalist But you didn't say that to the Sundays, you said that to us. That was during the Monday press conference.

JK I'll bring it in and show it to you. Why would I want to say that?

Journalist Are you saying that someone has reported you saying "bollocks to Newcastle?"

JK Yes. Lovely.

Journalist I don't know who's reported that.

JK I'll tell you what, I'll bring it in.

Journalist That's obviously going to damage you. That's not a good thing. But I don't think someone's done that. We have to have some sort of relationship with you.

JK So have I. But I haven't come in here for you lot to take the piss out of me. And if I'm not flavour of the month for you, it don't **** bother me. I've got a job to do. And I'm going to do it to the best of my ability. I'm not going to spend any more time listening to any crap or reading any crap. Stick to the truth and the facts. And don't twist anything.

Journalist You know, you know the game ...

JK Of course I know, but I don't have to like it.

Journalist Today we'll print the absolute truth, that you think we're words removed, we can all **** off and we're slimy. Is that fair enough?

JK Do it. Fine. **** print it. Am I going to worry about it? Put in also that it'll be the last time I see you. Put that in as well. Good. Do it.

Much, much later after long discussions over whether Kinnear had promised Alan Shearer and Kevin Keegan would be returning to the club

Press officer Let's get on to football. Let's have an agreement that everything said so far, if anyone has got their tapes on, it's wiped off and we're not discussing it.

Journalist But that's what Joe has said he thinks of us.

Press officer I'm saying don't push it. Let's accept what's been said and try and move on.

Journalist: Move on to not doing any more press conferences?

PO: No, to doing something now.

Journalist: What, one press conference only?

(Silence)

Journalist: Any knocks?

PO: Come on, let's go football.

Journalist: What are your plans for training in the next three days? How's the training going?

JK It's going very well. No problems at all.

Journalist Enjoyed getting back in the swing of things?

JK Absolutely. I've loved every moment of it.

 

still a classic 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/oct/03/newcastleunited.premierleague

[legov]

 

 

 

Last time Joe Kinnear was a director of football (Fulham)... they were relegated.

 

 

 

I'm not sure that one is true.  Fulham haven't been relegated since 1993/94, and Joe Kinnear was manager of Wimbledon back then. 

 

 

According to wiki he was DOF of Luton, but gave himself the manager's job (how the **** do you do that?!) and then got his team relegated

 

Also, according to the article he overachieved with his Wimbledon side, so maybe he's not as bad as we think he is.

[BOF]

Kinnear was a good manager who had his career cut short by ill-health. Heart issues. He was linked with the ROI job around the time he had to bow out. It's another reason this is a risky thing for Newky to do though.

[legov]

Kinnear was a good manager

 

After the Wimbledon job he did flounder though, to say the least.

[BOF]

Kinnear was a good manager

 

After the Wimbledon job he did flounder though, to say the least.

You didn't just ... uh oh.

[legov]

Did I just make a dirty pun by accident?