Genie Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: I think that is part of the problem It's funny that clubs that aren't in debt or taking big risks are often seen to be doing it wrong. Look at Spurs, an absolute miracle that they are where they are without spending money on new players. Same with Newcastle, I don't like MA but to have them where they are with relatively little outlay is incredible. Spending the money on the right things (i.e. a good manager). Shame he's now let him leave. No doubt he didn't like Rafa's agent dictating to him what he should be paid so let him go to show him who's boss. Its important to know your place I think. Newcastle are not going to challenge for Europe so mid table, full grounds and shovelling in the TV money is as good as its going to get. The investment needed to get into that top 6/7 would be immense, and obviously not guaranteed. Edited June 26, 2019 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, Genie said: It's funny that clubs that aren't in debt or taking big risks are often seen to be doing it wrong. Look at Spurs, an absolute miracle that they are where they are without spending money on new players. Same with Newcastle, I don't like MA but to have them where they are with relatively little outlay is incredible. Spending the money on the right things (i.e. a good manager). Shame he's now let him leave. No doubt he didn't like Rafa's agent dictating to him what he should be paid so let him go to show him who's boss. Its important to know your place I think. Newcastle are not going to challenge for Europe so mid table, full grounds and shovelling in the TV money is as good as its going to get. The investment needed to get into that top 6/7 would be immense, and obviously not guaranteed. Exactly. Some clubs think it'll never happen to them, but both Leeds and Villa have found out what spending and failing can do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 18 hours ago, MarkLillis said: The problem with Newcastle is the Myth that it is a big club. Yes they have 50000 passionate fans which is incredible in a town of approx 300000 but elsewhere??? Geordies are mad.They haven’t won a trophy for 50 years yet each season they get upset because they aren’t challenging! I think Ashley has looked after the club quite well tbf. With Gateshead which is basically Newcastle then it’s a population of 500000. The ethnic make up of the City is something like 95% white British, which also helps. They are no more passionate than anyone else, and apart from West Ham they are the most over hyped club in football . They are a well supported club, but they are only big in the North East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted June 27, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2019 The Newcastle support debate frustrates me so much. They are a very well supported club. There isn't really any point in disputing that and I don't understand the need to qualify that with why they enjoy good support. I don't think any of that matters really, they get good attendances, extremely good ones given their utter lack of success. On the flip side it frustrates me that in turn because they get big crowds they think they are a big club, they aren't and never have been they are just a well supported club. They never seem to get the distinction. This is particularly important these days where income from ticket sales really isn't all that significant in terms of clubs revenue in the PL. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 27, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 hours ago, TrentVilla said: because they get big crowds they think they are a big club I think they are too. Undoubtedly a big club, just an unsuccessful one. Like Leeds, Villa. Everton, Sunderland etc., though their run of lack of success is even worse. Being frank, winning stuff yonks ago doesn't qualify (IMO) anyone for being a big club. Attracting big crowds and winning/competing for stuff in recent memory is my criteria, but it's all subjective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, blandy said: I think they are too. Undoubtedly a big club, just an unsuccessful one. Like Leeds, Villa. Everton, Sunderland etc., though their run of lack of success is even worse. Being frank, winning stuff yonks ago doesn't qualify (IMO) anyone for being a big club. Attracting big crowds and winning/competing for stuff in recent memory is my criteria, but it's all subjective. Yeah, I don't get the ''this is a big club and that isn't '' debate. We have won nothing significant for many years and most of our success is pre war. Our attendances are good, but not incredible. Does that make us a small club? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) The argument over who is and who isn't a big club always seems silly to me, who cares? It doesn't really matter. Edited June 27, 2019 by useless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 I would say a big club appeals to a lot of people. So for me if your fan base exceeds the city boundaries then you can consider yourselves a reasonable sized club. Of it’s relative because Utd have millions of fans all round the world whereas Newcastle or us for that matter have considerably less fans country/worldwide. This is why the Blues cannot consider themselves in any discussions like this....I mean you hardly meet a Blues fan that lives outside Birmingham do you...in fact they are proud about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 bald men fighting over a comb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Debate starting again after Gerrard apparently turning them down to stay at rangers Good decision, he can't do much wrong at "plucky" rangers, finish 2nd and try and challenge as the underdog to Celtic, he'll get away with that for at least another year, whilst rightfully scouting well in league 1 and 2, or join Newcastle and be under pressure straight away to do something at a club sat doing nothing Its not about size, it's about reputation at this stage of your career, I don't see what Newcastle offers any aspiring manager (not sure what rafa saw in it tbf) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 27, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2019 10 hours ago, blandy said: I think they are too. Undoubtedly a big club, just an unsuccessful one. Like Leeds, Villa. Everton, Sunderland etc., though their run of lack of success is even worse. Being frank, winning stuff yonks ago doesn't qualify (IMO) anyone for being a big club. Attracting big crowds and winning/competing for stuff in recent memory is my criteria, but it's all subjective. I don’t particularly consider us as a big club any more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted June 27, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2019 I couldn’t give a flying **** about who’s a bigger club. It’s one of the most embarrassing conversations that’s had by supporters of any club, in my opinion. But if a club, such as ourselves, who pride ourselves on our “history” have it pointed out that most of our honours have been achieved when colour photography was but a pipe dream, then Newcastle United who pride themselves on their attendances will have their general locale in relation to other clubs pointed out to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted June 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2019 5 hours ago, villa4europe said: Debate starting again after Gerrard apparently turning them down to stay at rangers Good decision, he can't do much wrong at "plucky" rangers, finish 2nd and try and challenge as the underdog to Celtic, he'll get away with that for at least another year, whilst rightfully scouting well in league 1 and 2, or join Newcastle and be under pressure straight away to do something at a club sat doing nothing Its not about size, it's about reputation at this stage of your career, I don't see what Newcastle offers any aspiring manager (not sure what rafa saw in it tbf) Newcastle like Villa will always be a tempting challenge for an ambitious manager. Potential is there and a starving fan base Get it right and you are hero for life 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Zatman said: Newcastle like Villa will always be a tempting challenge for an ambitious manager. Potential is there and a starving fan base Get it right and you are hero for life And get it wrong you end up like shearer,roeder and padded. I'd say rafa has been the biggest success since Robson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: And get it wrong you end up like shearer,roeder and padded. I'd say rafa has been the biggest success since Robson Hughton, surely. Sacked when they were 4 points off Europe midway through the season. Really feel for him generally, clearly a very good manager, just hasn't been given the opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Hughton, surely. Sacked when they were 4 points off Europe midway through the season. Really feel for him generally, clearly a very good manager, just hasn't been given the opportunity. Good point forgot about hughton. They should try get him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Good point forgot about hughton. They should try get him back He will love to go back to a club that **** him over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Zatman said: He will love to go back to a club that **** him over Maybe...maybe not. Money talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Maybe...maybe not. Money talks They just let go a manager because they wouldn't give him money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: And get it wrong you end up like shearer,roeder and padded. I'd say rafa has been the biggest success since Robson Pardew actually had highest finish since Sir Bobby left in 2004, 5th in that year Demba Ba and Papis Cisse scored loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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